Where Is Mother Teresa Now?

DiscipleDave · Jan 27, 2016

And who made you a Judge? And you say she worshipped Mary as her God, please tell how you know she did that? Is that an opinion that you think she did that, or did you arrive at that conclusion based on what others have said concerning her? Or did you see her do these things yourself and have first eye witness account of her doing what you have judged her to do? i warn you, the same way you judge her, is exactly how you will be judged. Are you judging her based on what you have seen her do, or judging her based on what others have told you? So then you too will be judged not by what you have actually done, but what others say you have done. woe to them who judge falsely, for they shall be judged exactly as they have falsely judged others, For God is not a liar and He said the same way you judge others, you will be judged.

KenAllan said:

1 Corinthians 5:11-13

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KenAllan said:

It is written in the Word of God not to eat with a fornicator. Tell me which is correct, is it right for me not to eat with Bob because someone told me that Bob was a fornicator? or not to eat with Bob because i KNOW he is a fornicator?

You have condemned Sister Teresa because she is an idolator, Did you see her do that? or did you hear she did that?

KenAllan said:

But that is my point, what you are claiming she done, did YOU see her do those things? Are you testifying she did those things because you saw her do those things, or are you testifying she did those things because others told you she did those things?

KenAllan said:

i thank God in Heaven that God does not has not set you up to be a Judge of such matters. Because you would judge me by what others tell you of me, what kind of Judge are you? i thank God that i will be judged based on what God knows, and not what people say of me. You however will not be Judged by God based on what you actually have done, you are going to be judged based on how you have judged Sister Teresa, you are going to be judged based on what others say about you, exactly like you have judge Sister Teresa based on what others have said about her. would not want to be in your shoes. Repent of this wicked thing you have done, so you will not be judged the same way.

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DiscipleDave · Jan 27, 2016

BeyondET said:

Quotes of Mother Teresa
"Keep the joy of loving God in your heart and share this joy with all you meet especially your family. Be holy – let us pray."
"I once picked up a woman from a garbage dump and she was burning with fever; she was in her last days and her only lament was: ‘My son did this to me.’ I begged her: You must forgive your son. In a moment of madness, when he was not himself, he did a thing he regrets. Be a mother to him, forgive him. It took me a long time to make her say: ‘I forgive my son.’ Just before she died in my arms, she was able to say that with a real forgiveness. She was not concerned that she was dying. The breaking of the heart was that her son did not want her. This is something you and I can understand."
"When once a chairman of a multinational company came to see me, to offer me a property in Bombay, he first asked: ‘Mother, how do you manage your budget?" I asked him who had sent him here. He replied: ‘I felt an urge inside me.’ I said: other people like you come to see me and say the same. It was clear God sent you, Mr. A, as He sends Mr. X, Mrs. Y, Miss Z, and they provide the material means we need for our work. The grace of God is what moved you. You are my budget. God sees to our needs, as Jesus promised. I accepted the property he gave and named it Asha Dan (Gift of Hope).
"Yesterday is gone. Tomorrow has not yet come. We have only today. Let us begin."
"Like Jesus we belong to the world living not for ourselves but for others. The joy of the Lord is our strength."
"There is only one God and He is God to all; therefore it is important that everyone is seen as equal before God. I’ve always said we should help a Hindu become a better Hindu, a Muslim become a better Muslim, a Catholic become a better Catholic. We believe our work should be our example to people. We have among us 475 souls - 30 families are Catholics and the rest are all Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs—all different religions. But they all come to our prayers."
"There are so many religions and each one has its different ways of following God. I follow Christ:
Jesus is my God,
Jesus is my Spouse,
Jesus is my Life,
Jesus is my only Love,
Jesus is my All in All;
Jesus is my Everything."
Make us worthy, Lord, to serve those people throughout the world who live and die in poverty and hunger. Give them through our hands, this day, their daily bread, and by our understanding love, give them peace and joy.
I heard the call to give up all and follow Christ into the slums to serve Him among the poorest of the poor. It was an order.
I was to leave the convent and help the poor while living among them.

When a poor person dies of hunger, it has not happened because God did not take care of him or her.
It has happened because neither you nor I wanted to give that person what he or she needed.

You and I, we are the Church, no? We have to share with our people. Suffering today is because people are hoarding, not giving, not sharing.
Jesus made it very clear. Whatever you do to the least of my brethren, you do it to me.
Give a glass of water, you give it to me. Receive a little
child, you receive me.
Everybody today seems to be in such a terrible rush, anxious for greater developments and greater riches and so on, so that children have very little time for their parents. Parents have very little time for each other, and in the home begins the disruption of peace of the world.
If we really want to love we must learn how to forgive.

oh my, these sound like words of a demon, yes, she was most certainly evil and going to Hell. God Forbid. Is it not written they will call good evil and evil good? This generation fulfills that prophesy.

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DiscipleDave · Jan 27, 2016

KenAllan said:

That is True, However she did not do that because it was her JOB to do that, she did that because she had love in her heart to help the needy. Didn't Jesus instruct us to help the needy? Yes He did. Tell me. Did Sister Teresa do as Jesus instructed and helped the needy? Yes she did. Tell me, do YOU do as Jesus instructed and help the needy? Yet you judge her as evil yet she obeyed Jesus, and judge yourself as good yet do not obey Jesus. Don't you find that strange?

KenAllan said:

You are one confusing person, you know that? Are you saying that Sister Teresa NEVER accepted Jesus as her Lord and Savior? Is that what you are saying? Out of one side of your mouth you say "ONLY by accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior can anyone enter into Heaven" But out of the other side of your mouth you have condemned Sister Teresa to not entering into Heaven even though she has in Truth accepted Jesus as her Savior and Lord" You condemn her of the sin of idolatry, are you saying you do not commit any sins? Do you condemn her of a sin, all the while you yourself knowingly and willingly commit sins? Check yourself.

KenAllan said:

You really don't know the Word of God do you? Nobody is Truly Saved until the Book of life is opened and your name is found written in it. That is when you are Saved. When Christ comes back and Raptures the Church, it is only then that anyone is TRULY SAVED. i am Saved right now, does not mean my name can't be blotted out of the Book of life 5 years from now. i am Saved right now, and love God more than life itself, but next year Big Bubba rapes me, gives me Aids, and i get a horrible painful disease that last for years and years and during that time i curse God and deny Him. Does that mean i am still SAVED, or was the TRUTH of the matter my name was written in the Book of Life the moment i accepted Him, but then it was blotted out the moment i rejected Him. You do error not knowing the TRUTH nor what the Scriptures teach.

KenAllan said:

True, UNLESS they have repented and cease to do that. No liar will enter either, do you lie?, nobody that hates others will enter either, do you hate child molesters, rapists, murderers? no thief will enter either, do you steal from the Government when filing your taxes, how are you not a thief? No fornicator will enter into Heaven either. Do you have sexual relationships with others and are not married? Which brings me to , No adulterer will enter into Heaven either, Are you married and look at porn? Scriptures plainly teach to look upon another woman to lust is to commit adultery, so guess what married people out there, looking at porn and lusting by it, you are an adulterer. PERIOD. You just Sister Teresa for idolatry, how many of the other things in that list do you do? OH wicked and perverted generation. instead of pointing your fingers at others in an attempt to make your life not look so bad, stop it, judge yourself, before you judge others.

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KenAllan said:

Just because someone prays to someone that is dead, does not mean they are worshiping them. i know many people who pray to their deceased loved ones, and they are NOT worshiping them. So then just because Sister Teresa prayed to Mary, does not condemn her to Hell. Now it is True, that if she worshiped Mary, that is entirely different, and that is evil and wicked, but i did not know Sister Teresa, i never met her, never talked with her, so how can i judge her to be worshiping Mary? Should i listen to what others say she did? Should i judge her based on Hearsay? That is what you are doing.

KenAllan said:

lol, clearly, seriously you are saying "clearly" How? Because you were told she was. Am i now to condemn her also because YOU say she was clearly an idolator? Yes, i will now start to tell others that Sister Teresa was an idolator because KenAllen Clearly told me she was. lol what a joke. God Forbid. Again, thank God that you are not my judge.

KenAllan said:

And the same way you have judged her you shall be judged.

Like it or not, KenAllen will never enter into Heaven because of his sin of __________________. (KenAllen, please just enter in the blank any sins that you knowingly and willingly commit, sins that you know is against God but you do them anyways. If you need more space to add them all, please feel free to do so.

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DiscipleDave · Jan 27, 2016

Jimbone said:

Brother Jimbone, i agree with all that you say here. but i have a question concerning something you said above. you said "Unless she accepted Jesus Christ died for her sins and was born again, a teaching the RCC doesn't teach, she will not be there."

Now please excuse my ignorance on this matter, i never have been Catholic, but i was always under the impression that Catholics got Saved/Born Again. Are you saying they the RCC doesn't teach Salvation in Jesus? Because i always thought they did teach that. They have every Book of the Bible that we do, plus five more books. i will ask my Mom when i next see her, she was Catholic, but want to hear from you as well.

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DiscipleDave · Jan 27, 2016

KenAllan said:

My question was and still is, How do you know she in fact Worshiped Mary? If she indeed Worshiped Mary, then i would agree with you, that she will not enter into Heaven no matter how much Good she has done. The problem is though, i only hear YOU saying she worshiped Mary, where is the evidence of that? Did YOU see her do that? Is there a quote of her saying she worships Mary? Or are YOU just assuming she did? That is the question i would like to know. YOU are adamant about condemning her based on she worshiped Mary, But as of yet i have seen not one shed of proof that she ever did what you are accusing her of. If then you are accusing her of worshiping Mary based on your own belief, than that is false judgment, and you are not to be listened to. But if you KNOW she did this, then reveal it so that all can see and believe the accusation you accuse her of. But so far all i hear is hearsay from you that she worshiped Mary. Tell us all how you KNOW that? where did you base this information from? What am i to just take YOUR word for it and condemn a person to Hell based on YOUR word that she worshiped Mary, how ungodly would that be of me to judge a person based on, not what they did, but what others say they did. So tell me, Why do you so adamantly believe she worshiped Mary? Please tell.

KenAllan said:

We? Who is We? i only hear YOU condemning her to Hell

KenAllan said:

You say you are not condemning her to Hell, so then you are a liar, and no liar shall enter into the Kingdom of God. It is written in Rev 21:8 that all liars shall burn in the lake of fire and brimstone. You say you are not condemning Mother Teresa to hell, but you did condemn her, here is the post:

Originally Posted by KenAllan

I judge Mother Teresa on the basis of her Worshiping Mary as her god. No one who follows and Worships Mary as their god can ever Inherit the Kingdom of God.

Judgement passed by KenAllen on Sister Teresa. YOU judge her as not going to Heaven because of her sin of idolatry. With the same merit that you have judged her, you shall be judged. Therefore KenAllen will not go to Heaven because of his sin of lying.

KenAllan said:

Galatians 5:19-21

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KenAllan said:

Tell me Truly if you will, Do you do any of those things? Do you have sexual relations not being married? Do you look upon women to lust after them (Porn) Do you have fits of anger? Do you get drunk? Are you jealous of what others have and you do not have? Do you masturbate to sinful thoughts?

So you condemn Sister Teresa because of Idolatry, while all the while you yourself also do things that are in that list, can you say HYPOCRITE? First remove the mote in your own eye before trying to cast out a speck in Sister Teresa's eyes.

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Nikki84 · Jan 27, 2016

Hello all
I'm not sure the question in the OP can be answered .Unless you know someone personally, talked with them, walked with them, ate with them, observed their personality, only then can we really know a person.

Todd7181 · Jan 27, 2016

WebersHome said:

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Rome's poster girl, Agnes Gonxha Bojaxhiu (a.k.a. Mother Teresa) is a
terrible disappointment. It turns out Teresa was a remarkable actor. Her
public image bore no resemblance whatsoever to the secret life of her inner
being. Below are some quotes taken from her own private letters; and
excerpts of her statements from other sources. You be the judge: role model
or role player, believer or make-believer?

"Only pray that I keep up this joy exteriorly. I deceive people with this
weapon-- even my Sisters."

"I am grateful to for all the kindness & help you give to my Sisters and me.
My prayer, though miserably dry & frozen, is often offered for you & your
work for souls."

"When I try to raise my thoughts to Heaven, there is such convicting
emptiness that those very thoughts return like sharp knives and hurt my
very soul. How painful is this unknown pain-- I have no faith."

"I am told God loves me; and yet the reality of darkness & coldness &
emptiness is so great that nothing touches my soul."

"Now Father-- since 49 or 50 this terrible sense of loss-- this untold
darkness-- this loneliness, this continual longing for God-- which gives me
pain deep down in my heart-- Darkness is such that I really do not see
neither with my mind nor with my reason-- the place of God in my soul is
blank-- There is no God in me-- when the pain of longing is so great-- I just
long & long for God-- and then it is that I feel-- He does not want me-- He is
not there-- God does not want me-- Sometimes-- I just hear my own heart
cry out-- "My God" and nothing else comes-- the torture and pain I can't
explain"

"My smile is a great cloak that hides a multitude of pains."

"The damned of Hell suffer eternal punishment because they experiment
with the loss of God. In my own soul, I feel the terrible pain of this loss. I
feel that God does not want me, that God is not God; and that He does not
really exist."

"If there be God . . please forgive me."

"Of course I convert. I convert you to be a better Hindu or a better Muslim
or a better Protestant. Once you've found God, it's up to you to decide how
to worship him" (Mother Teresa Touched Other Faiths, Associated Press,
9/7/97).

"We never try to convert those who receive [aid from Missionaries of
Charity] to Christianity but in our work we bear witness to the love of God's
presence and if Catholics, Protestants, Buddhists, or agnostics become for
this better men-- simply better --we will be satisfied. It matters to the
individual what church he belongs to. If that individual thinks and believes
that this is the only way to God for her or him, this is the way God comes
into their life-- his life. If he does not know any other way and if he has no
doubt so that he does not need to search then this is his way to salvation."

The April 7-13, 1990, issue of Radio Times tells the story of Mother Teresa
sheltering an old Hindu priest. "She nursed him with her own hands and
helped him to die reconciled with his own gods."

Teresa was virtually 100% estranged from both God and Christ during the
whole five decades of her work in India. She experienced a darkness of the
soul unparalleled among Catholic mystics. Some say this was in preparation
for her eventual sainthood. But Paul the apostle was a "saint" and he never
once experienced Teresa's depth of abandonment. In point of fact, he never
experienced any abandonment whatsoever; nor should any other of Christ's
followers.

†. John 14:15-18 . .If you love me, keep my commandments. And I will
pray the Father, and He will give you another Counselor, that He may abide
with you forever-- the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive,
because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He
dwells with you and will be in you. I will not leave you orphans; I will come
to you.

†. John 14:23 . .If anyone loves me, he will keep my word; and my Father
will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.

†. John 15:10 . .If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love,
just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in His love.

†. Phlp 4:5-7 . .The Lord is nearby. Do not be anxious about anything, but in
everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your concerns
to God. And the peace of God, which is beyond the intellect, will guard your
hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.

†. Rom 8:15-16 . .For you have not received a spirit of slavery again to fear;
but you have received a spirit of adoption, whereby we call out; Abba!
Father! The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children.

The Spirit's silence in Teresa's heart, and her utter lack of peace, were
indicative of something very gone-wrong in her association with Christ.

†. 1John 1:5-7 . .This is the message we have heard from him and declare
to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. If we claim to have
fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the
truth.

Father Neuner, one of Teresa's spiritual advisors commented: "Why had God
abandoned her totally? She had to lead the Sisters, initiate them into the
love of God and into a life of prayer, which had been wiped out in her own
life as she lived in total emptiness. Had she become a shameful hypocrite
who spoke to others about the divine mysteries which had totally vanished
from her own heart?"

All evidence points to the obvious conclusion that Teresa was the most
convincing Christian pretense the twentieth century ever produced; and if
she was a charlatan, who else is playing church inside the Church?

†. Matt 7:22-23 . .Many will say to me in that day; Lord, Master, have we
not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in
thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them; I
never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.

Christ's statement doesn't target Atheists, nor Buddhists, nor Hindus, nor
Muslims. No, it targets people professing to have prophesied in "thy name",
and to have exorcised demons in "thy name", and to have done may
wonderful works in "thy name"; viz: it targets Christians-- and not just your
average rank and file pew warmers either, no, but rather, it targets the
cream of the crop; the celebrities of the Christian world; renowned for their
accomplishments, their piety, their perseverance, their love, and their
dedication.

It is to many of those very kinds of Christians that Christ will say: I never
knew you. Why? Because though those luminaries glistered, they were never
in league with Christ though they certainly appeared to be; and that is really
scary because it make one wonder who to trust.

Recommended Reading:

Mother Teresa / Come Be My Light
The Private Writings of the "Saint of Calcutta"
Edited with commentary by Father Brian Kolodiejchuk, M.C.
ISBN 978-0-385-52037-9

NOTE: The book is a collection of Teresa's letters written privately to
spiritual counselors; published with hierarchy approval by her long-time
friend Rev. Brian Kolodiejchuk M.C.; director of the Mother Teresa Center,
and a Postulator in favor of her canonization.

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It just sounds like she is incredibly humble, which is great to see. More people on this site could use her as an example of something to strive for.

DiscipleDave · Jan 27, 2016

MikeHenderson said:

And you have altogether missed this verse:

Joh_7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

i wrote an article that is called To Judge or Not to Judge, please read it. It is absolutely True we Christians are to Judge, but we Christians are not to judge according to appearance, but judge Righteous Judgements. We are not to eat with a fornicator. Is it a righteous judgement not to eat with a person that you heard was a fornicator? First find out if the person is indeed a fornicator, then and only then do not eat with such. YOU and others have said Sister Teresa worshiped Mary, where is your proof of this? Do you believe she did that because it was told to you that she did? Are you assuming that she did because she is Catholic and many Catholics do worship Mary. You and KenAllen keep on saying she worshiped Mary, Show how she did this? present the evidence that you accuse her of. What kind of judge would judge a person guilty without any evidence of that guilt. You and KenAllen have accused Sister Teresa as worshiping Mary, which if she did is indeed idolatry. So present the evidence where she has done this, if you can't do so, then it is both of you which is evil. Because you falsely accuse another without any evidence. Reminds me of the verse which teaches "angry at a brother without a cause" You accuse Sister Teresa of worshiping Mary, present to us WHY you think she did. Else you are a false accuser causing strife. Which by the way is in the list. Know how when accusing Sister Teresa of idolatry, you bold idolatry, i would like to take this opportunity now to bold what you two fit into based on the same merits you judged her.

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

So Sister Teresa has one thing bolded in the list, YOU have three things bolded in the list. i guess if Sister Teresa is going to Hell for one thing in the list, Then YOU are going to a Hell that is three times as worse. God Forbid let it not be True.

MikeHenderson said:

Misinterpretations? All BeyondET did was post Scriptures, i did not see where BeyondET interpreted anything at all.

If i list 25 Bible verses, how have i misinterpreted anything at all?

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DiscipleDave · Jan 27, 2016

BeyondET said:

BeyondET, i see this happening a lot on this thread. They call you a Catholic, because that is what they assumed, and what they assume seems to be TRUTH in their eyes. i am not Catholic, i do not believe anyone should worship anyone other than Jesus and the Father, and i know no idolator will enter into Heaven, and also anyone who does any one of those things in that list will enter into Heaven either. But i keep asking them to show me how Sister Teresa worshiped Mary, they say it over and over again, and condemn Sister Teresa to Hell for doing it, yet i have seen not one shed of evidence that shows that she actually did worship Mary. Like they did to you, they also have done to Sister Teresa, They called you a Catholic because it is what they assumed to be the TRUTH, they accuse Sister Teresa of worshiping Mary because it is what they assume she did. What they did to you (falsely accused you of being a Catholic) is not a surprise, it only confirms what i believed all along. They do not KNOW if Sister Teresa worshiped Mary, they only are assuming she did, even as they assumed you were a Catholic, they are wrong with you, even as i suspect they are wrong about Sister Teresa. Now whether she did worship Mary or no, i know not. If she did, and never repented of it, then i would agree she is an idolator not going to Heaven, But no Righteous Judge would judge her without the evidence presented before them, and in my Book she is innocent until proven guilty. But that is not with this generation, this generation they are guilty until they prove themselves innocent. They are trying to tell me Sister Teresa worshiped Mary, and i am suppose to believe them because they say so, without any evidence whatsoever that she did that wicked thing. Do you know who else falsely accused brothers, satan.

Rev_12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Talking to all now.

Jesus Christ gave us a NEW Commandment "Love One Another" i think (but do not know) that Sister Teresa did as Jesus Christ Commanded. Now this generation who are quick to condemn her, should judge their own selves if they DO as Jesus Christ COMMANDED them to do before passing judgment on a person who did do what Jesus Commanded.

And let us assume for a moment that she did worship Mary (God Forbid that she did that) But let us assume she did. know you not that it is written:

Jas_5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

Has she converted anyone? Have you?

1Pe_4:8 And above all things have fervent charity (LOVE) among yourselves: for charity(LOVE) shall cover the multitude of sins.

Did she have fervent charity? Do you? Who are you to say that the sins that were covered by her fervent charity did not cover idolatry? Who are you to say which ones were covered and which ones were not covered?

i will tell you this and it is True, We are to judge righteous judgments. Any judgement that judges a person to go to Hell is an unrighteous judgment. For How can you possibly know if she did not Truly repent of her sins (even idolatry if that is true) before she died? You don't know if she did or didn't, unless you were there with her when she went to sleep. So to say she is going to Hell is a wicked judgement, and not Godly at all. Who are you to say who will go to Heaven and who will not go to Heaven. God decides that, He is the judge on such matters, not you, not me, not them. But woe to them who falsely judge others, they appear white on the outside, but inside full of corruption and uncleanness and not pure in heart. They falsely accuse others because it somehow makes them feel better about their own selves. Instead of focusing on the issues they have, it is easier to focus on issues of others. They are lost souls, even though they yell of the rooftops they are Saved.

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DiscipleDave · Jan 27, 2016

epostle said:

Now i don't know if all these things accused of Sister Teresa are True or not, as of right now all these things that are said of her is hearsay, something that i have heard only and have seen no evidence that these things are True. But here is the difference. i know that if i asked epostle to prove what is being accused of Sister Teresa of these things, i would bet spostle would indeed be able to do so, epostle would show me newspaper clippings, and lead me to websites with a listing of all nobel peace prizes and the such, epostle would show me websites of the youth shelters, soup kitchens that were started, epostle would lead me to many articles which speaks of all that Sister Teresa has done. i know if i ask epostle to show the evidence that proves what epostle accused Sister Teresa of doing, that there would be plenty of evidence to support such a claim. But as for KenAllen and two others with him, i am asking for proof that Sister Teresa worshiped Mary, and the reason i am asking for it, is because i don't think it exists, i think KenAllen and the two others are only assuming she worshiped Mary because she was a Catholic, Therefore if you can show me the evidence that she did worship Mary, which i do not believe she actually did, then i will evaluate the evidence you present, and if the evidence suggest she did worship Mary, then i will go with the evidence presented. But so far none of them have shown forth any evidence that Sister Teresa worshiped Mary, so then it is hearsay and nothing more until proven otherwise. Now what do you bet because they have no evidence they will come back and say "We don't have to prove nothing to you, we know she worshiped Mary and do not need to prove it" Which basically is translated, "We don't know nothing at all, so we are not going to answer you nothing" Or it could go the other way 1) We don't hear from them again or 2) they do not present any evidence but continue to talk about her going to Hell anyway. Stay Tuned.

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DiscipleDave · Jan 27, 2016

epostle said:

i would like to also point out, even though some might say i am crazy as well. But it is Good that some people suffer. You see some people never turn to the Lord, until they are at rock bottom and suffering. It is only then that they look to Christ. Tell me which is better. A person who never suffers and never comes to the Lord, or a person who suffers and because of that suffering comes to the Lord. So i guess that makes me crazy as well, because i say suffering is Good. Also i will add, it is better to suffer in the flesh now, then to suffer in the flesh during the Tribulation Period. it is written if you sow to the flesh of the flesh you shall reap corruption. i feel that i am blessed, because if i sow to the flesh, i generally reap corruption in the flesh in a very short time afterwards. But many sow to the flesh now, and they are only storing up for themselves corruption to come at a latter date, which is far worse then reaping what you sow now, presently. For example if i look at a picture that makes me lust, it is not much later i have a sever toothache that lasts for days, This has happened to me far too many times in the past to be a coincident. if i go two years without lusting, i go two years without any toothaches. But this is a Blessing. i do not lust because i know it will only give me a severe toothache for days. But if i did not know this or i did not suffer in the flesh for lusting, then i would continue to lust day after day, only storing up corruption that i will not be able to escape in the future, Because God does not lie, if a person sows to the flesh of the flesh they shall reap corruption. So then it is better to suffer now in the flesh, then to continue to live in sins, not suffering at all now, only to have all the suffering come upon you at once in the future during the Tribulation Period. That is worse. So call me crazy, suffering is Good. Doesn't Scriptures say it is good also.

Heb 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

So Christ suffering was a Good thing, because through His suffering we are Saved.

1Pe 3:14 But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;

What? We are to be happy if we suffer for righteousness sake? Happy to suffer, hhhmmmmm is that a new concept?

1Pe 3:17 For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.

What? It is better to suffer for well doing? Is he crazy?

1Pe 4:13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

Are you serious, we are to rejoice in suffering? What kind of crazy talk is that?

And Scriptures teach:

1Pe_4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

Maybe Sister Teresa knew what she was talking about, and Hepzibah is still on milk of the word.

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DiscipleDave · Jan 27, 2016

Goodnewsman said:

Oh so you can show Scriptures which teach you are rejecting Jesus if you are a Catholic? Chapter and Verse please?

Oh so you can show Scriptures where it teaches that praying to someone is rejecting Jesus? Woe to those who pray to their dearly departed right, how evil is that for a person to pray to his dead Mother, wow to do so is rejecting Christ. i think you better start teaching Christians the world over to stop talking to their deceased loved ones, because by doing so, according to YOU, it is denying Jesus.

Oh you can show Scriptures which teaches confessing our sins one to another is rejecting Christ?

Look forward to seeing all these Scriptures which you are not going to be able to show, because they only exist in your mind.

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DiscipleDave · Jan 27, 2016

Goodnewsman said:

when you read John 3 do you also accuse Jesus of having irrational hatred?
John 3:5-7 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.[SUP]6 [/SUP] That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Are you saying Sister Teresa did not believe in Jesus?

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Bowman · Jan 27, 2016

DiscipleDave said:

DD,

Was Joseph Smith a superior 'prophet' over that of yourself...?

Jimbone · Jan 27, 2016

DiscipleDave said:

I wasn't suggesting the RCC teaches or doesn't teach anything, simply stating what she needed to believe to be saved. That's it, and I have no clue what she did or did not believe at the time of her passing.

DiscipleDave · Jan 27, 2016

Mec99 said:

If she did in fact worship Mary that is indeed idolatry and is wicked and evil. The question is, since YOU are the one accusing her of worshiping Mary as her God, then reveal the evidence to support your accusation. Anyone can SAY she did that. What then, i am to take YOUR word for it that she worshiped Mary, what kind of idiot would do that without any evidence to support such a condemning accusation. That would be like unto me accusing you of being a thief yet do not say what it is you stole that makes you a thief. Or i could call you a a liar, without showing what you said that is a lie. i hear you three all saying she worshiped Mary, yet i have not yet seen one thing that would suggest, indicate, reveal that is the TRUTH. So far they are only accusations against a woman who loved much in this world and has helped more people in need then 100 of YOU put together. So i don't take accusations of condemnation lightly, if you are accusing her of worshiping Mary, which if she did then you are correct, she will not enter into Heaven, but so far all i have to go on, is YOUR words, show me evidence where she did what you are accusing her of. Have you not heard of the Golden Rule, Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Tell me, if you were being accused of something evil, which would cause you to go to HELL, would you not want the evidence to be presented? You and two others so far as i have seen are accusing Sister Teresa of Idolatry by worshiping Mary, So then present the evidence that she indeed did this thing that you are now accusing her of. Did you witness this? Did KenAllen witness her doing that? Is it not written

Deu_19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.

i hear three witnesses which accuse Sister Teresa of worshiping Mary, which is a sin of idolatry, yet not one of these witness has witnessed Sister Teresa worshiping Mary. What kind of witness are these then, if they accuse without any evidence whatsoever in that which they accuse? How are they not false witnesses?

Deu_19:18 And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother;
Pro_6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
Pro_12:17 He that speaketh truth sheweth forth righteousness: but a false witness deceit.
Pro_14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.
Pro_19:5 A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall not escape.
Pro_19:9 A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall perish.
Pro_21:28 A false witness shall perish: but the man that heareth speaketh constantly.
Pro_25:18 A man that beareth false witness against his neighbour is a maul, and a sword, and a sharp arrow.

Three of you accuse Sister Teresa as worshiping Mary, if you do not have evidence to support such an accusation, then i have no choice to believe you to be a liar. You are only assuming she did that, you are condemning a Sister based on assumptions, this is not of God but of satan. If you can show the evidence that she indeed worshiped Mary, then it is a Righteous accusation, but if you can't, then you should never have accused her of doing so. Remember, you are accusing someone that Jesus loves. So if you are going to accuse another, make sure you KNOW it is True, and do not accuse another based on your assumptions.

Mec99 said:

What is wrong with you? Where is your love? Where is Christ in you? When i read the above, i was absolutely appalled. By this statement you have judge Every single Catholic as worshiping Mary. Now i understand why you falsely accuse Sister Teresa as you do. YOU think all Catholics worship Mary, therefore because Sister Teresa was a Catholic, she must have worshiped Mary also. You do error and do not know the TRUTH, and i fear the Truth is not for you, there is no light in you at all, because of the darkness that is revealed here. And what is wrong with you? Let us assume that a person does worship Mary, Do you think saying what you say above is reaching them with LOVE, or lashing out at them because they are lost? i sense hatred in you, not love. By saying "you Catholics" and saying " your hero Mother Teresa" These are not words of love, but words to cause strife, to cause anger, to cause contention, you are not trying to reach them, you are condemning them, oh how sad for you, by the same merit you have condemned them, you shall be condemned. oh how sad indeed. my heart grieves for you this night.

Mec99 said:

And you think Sister Teresa did not accept Jesus Christ?

Mec99 said:

you do not know the Truth, we are judged by our works.

1Pe_1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

Rev_22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Know you not that it is our works that shows who is in our hearts? It is Commanded for us to Love One Another. Jesus is Love. if you Love one another you will have works, not because you have to have works, not because you are doing works to get into Heaven, you do works because Love is in you (Jesus is in you) And because love is in you, you love others. Many claim to have Jesus in them, but they do not love others. When have you helped the needy? When have you clothed the naked? Do you give to charity? Do you help those in need? Or do you only take care of you and yours? Those who Truly have Jesus in them, they WILL have many good works. Do you?

Mec99 said:

Funny i know Christians who believe you immediately go to Heaven or to Hell when you die, i know Christians who teach that when you die you sleep until Christ comes back. i know Christians (Catholics) who believe when you die you go to Purgatory. i know Christians who believe when you die you go to rest at a place called Sheol. i know Christians who believe if a person dies not a Christian they are reincarnated for another chance to accept Jesus. i know Christians who teach the Rapture happens Before the Tribulations, i know Christians who teach the Rapture happens After the Tribulation. i know Christians the teach the Rapture happens during Tribulations. i know Christians who believe Once Saved Always Saved. i know Christians who believe you can be blotted out of the Book of life. i know Christians who believe Faith only is enough to Save a person. i know Christians who believe Faith and Works go hand in hand. i even know Christians who thinks Works is going to get them to Heaven. i know Christians who believe only 144,000 will be Raptured. i know Christians who believe the Rapture has already happened.

my point is you say above that because Catholics believe this or that, that they are not going to get to inherit the Kingdom of God. Didn't you say that believing in Jesus is what is important? Can a Christian who believes in Jesus which believes in pretrib inherit the Kingdom of God? Can a Christian who believes in Jesus which believes in posttrib inherit the Kingdom of God? you are right, it is not necessarily what a person believes, but what is important is Jesus Christ. Now answer me this.
Can a Catholic Inherit the Kingdom of God if they believe in Jesus Christ and believe they do not receive Salvation until AFTER they die and spend time in Purgatory WORKING for their Salvation by working off the stain of their sins ? Do you see what you have done. Even Christians have many differing beliefs, but they are still Christians. Just because they believe something that is false does not mean they Hell bound as you are indicating. Consider Christians. Many believe pretrib, many believe midtrib, many believe posttrib, two of them are WRONG. What then, according to you if their belief is wrong, then they are not going to enter into the Kingdom of God. Well that is exactly what you are saying above, you are condemning them for a false belief that they have, yet they too believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and that is what is important.

Mec99 said:

You really need to get your facts together before commenting on another. epostle is not a Catholic.

Mec99 said:

Are you suggesting there is not one Catholic that follows Jesus only? Brother you are super prejudice against All Catholics, you are dead wrong.

i am against many of the beliefs of the Catholic Church, just as equally against the beliefs of the Protestant Church as well. But you have condemned them all to Hell, based on YOUR assumptions and misunderstandings of them. You seem to forget, to your own woe, that you are condemning brothers and sisters in Christ, for they too believe that Jesus is the Son of God. You would do well to remember these verses.

Mar 9:38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. :39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. :40 For he that is not against us is on our part.

Are the Catholics against Jesus Christ and His Apostles? the answer is NO. What i hear most often is so called Christians speaking bad against Catholics which are believers in the same Jesus Christ that we believe in. i rarely ever hear a bad word about Christians coming from Catholics. What does that reveal to you?

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DiscipleDave · Jan 28, 2016

PaulMack said:

If that is True, then all these are True as well, correct?

No one who lies can ever enter into Heaven.
No one who fornicates can ever enter into Heaven
No one who commits adultery can ever enter into Heaven.
No one who steals can enter into Heaven.
No one who hates can enter into Heaven.
No one who does not forgive another can enter into Heaven.
No one who causes strife can enter into Heaven.
No one who causes division can enter into Heaven.
No one who blasphemes can enter into Heaven.
No one who looks at porn can enter into Heaven.
No one who has unholy thoughts can enter into Heaven.
No one who gets drunk can enter into Heaven.
No one who ________________ can enter into Heaven. (fill in the blank with any other known sin)

What? only someone who commits idolatry can't be forgiven? But every other sinful deed can be?

You said "Mother Teresa cannot enter into Heaven because she was an Idolater who Worship Mary as her god!"

If Sister Teresa in fact did worship Mary as Her God, then your accusation is TRUE. But my question was and still is, Where is your evidence that shows what you are accusing is actually TRUE? i see you accusing her of worshiping Mary as her God but do not see any proof that is what she did. If you are able to, which i do not believe you will be able to, show why you believe she thought Mary was her God. Or is that something you are just assuming (yes that is it)

Look if Sister Teresa did in fact worship Mary as her God, then i am right there with you, and will agree that she is not going to enter into Heaven. But i have asked several times not for any four of you, to show WHY you believe this is TRUE. You are correct, if she did do that, she is not going to Heaven, so then please show the evidence to back up what you are now accusing her of, you are condemning her to Hell, based on what? Your assumption that she worshiped Mary as her God, or is there something other than your assumption? Did she write in her book that she thought Mary was her God, if she did, then that would be proof that she worshiped Mary as her God? Did she ever say and it was quoted as her saying that Mary was her God and that she worshiped her? That also would be proof that is indeed what she believed. But so far all i hear is hearsay. You and three others now have said Sister Teresa worshiped Mary as her God, and i have yet to see one shred of evidence to back that accusation up, not one iota. So then, since there is not one example of this actually happening, then you four must in Truth giving your assumption that is what she did. If not an assumption, shouldn't i be seeing all kinds of quotes from her? shouldn't i be seeing a section of her book where she has said "i worship Mary as my God" If she said that, that is the proof that she did, but what do i see? NOTHING. You accuse her of worshiping Mary as her God, now present the evidence why you think this is TRUE. else they are merely false assumptions from false witnesses.

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DiscipleDave · Jan 28, 2016

WebersHome said:

i have felt this too.

WebersHome said:

i have felt this in the past too.

WebersHome said:

There was a time in my life that i felt this way too.

WebersHome said:

As tears fill my eyes as i write this, i feel this way right now. Sorry can't stop crying.

There was a time in my life, that God would speak to me. We had many conversations concerning the Word of God and all that is to come to pass in the future. When i got Saved as a kid, a formality really because there has never been a time in my life that i did not believe in Jesus. My Mom was called to be a Nun, then she met my Dad. fell in love with him, got married, then had me. She felt so guilty about not becoming a Nun that she prayed to God before she even got pregnant, that she would dedicate her first born son to the Lord. So even when i was in her womb, she was reading the Bible to me. By the time i could read, it was the Bible that i read. Before i was 12 i had read the entire Bible over 3 times. started hearing voices around the age of 16. Here is the very short story of one of those times. i was working a full time job and going to school, one night about 11 pm on the way home i heard "David" scared me to death, i jumped thinking someone was in the back seat, i looked, nobody there. kept driving, then heard it again. i knew it had to be the Lord speaking just like in the Bible, i said "yes Lord" He told me to turn left at the next road. So the next road came up, it was a gravel road, after 20 minutes driving in the opposite direction of home, sorry only giving the short story. Turns out there was a girl on a bridge that was going to commit suicide, i stopped to talk with her, started talking about God, she got real upset, she did not want to talk about God, because God just allowed her to be raped by her boyfriend and his friend(S) as well, and they dropped her off in the middle of nowhere. Anyways, she was going to kill herself, and i couldn't talk about God, what was i going to say if i could not talk to her about God? God then said "Tell her to join the military" So i told her she needed to join the military, which she thought was the dumbest ideal she had ever heard and asked me to leave as she did several time before, but i told her i was not leaving unless i was dropping her off someplace, so eventually, what seemed forever to me, she agreed and i got even more lost, and dropped her off at a house. long story short. i think it was two years later she calls me while i was in the military in Florida. She said she has been looking for me for two years to thank me for her life, she then told me she joined the military the very next day, now she is married to a wonderful Christian man, with a baby on the way. i then told her not to thank me, but to thank God, which she said she did everyday. i then told her that it was God who told her to join the military not me. Whether she believed me or not, i don't know.

Then the voices came more regular, we would have conversations. i would then have many questions concerning the Word of God that i would have ready for Him when He next came calling me. We had many conversations, started crying again now. hold on. ok im back. Anyway he taught me many things. i was the only virgin in my senior Class, when this was known it seemed i became very popular with the girls, but when they seen i was a religious man, and that i would not do anything with anyone unless she was my wife, they soon lost interest in me. The devil tried me many times though, one example is one day i was at a Fishfry walking to my car, when a couple of naked girls in the back of a camper pickup truck was asking me to join them, i looked at them and said "i am a Christian, sorry" and walked on. i was saving myself for my wife as the Word of God says you should do. i was in the military 19 years old, drunk, when i lost my virginity. And i don't even know the girls name. 19 years saving myself for my wife, and threw it away because i lost judgement because of alcohol. Any ways to continue, i had many conversations with God, had dreams, visions, and spoke with Angels of God, seen them and spoke with them. One time working in the construction trade, a man fell down three flights of stairs, banging his skull against the window seals and the concrete stairs and rails. Someone was screaming help, help. i went running to the screaming man. and seen a man on the floor not moving with a growing pool of blood coming from his head. Since i use to be a Correctional Officer at one point in my life, i knew CPR and was a trained EMT. So i checked his vitals, NOT breathing, no heartbeat. So i had to turn Him on his back regardless if their spinal injuries or not, to perform CPR. i was reaching to get my wallet to get out the mouth piece i carried to perform CPR. When i again heard the voice "Give God the credit" He said. So then i laid my hands over the man's heart and said to the other guy there "Pray with me" Then i prayed in the name of Jesus Christ let this man live, then the man all of sudden started gasping for air. i turned his head sideways and he started breathing better. i told everyone the Truth, that Jesus brought him back to life. of coarse they all looked at me like i was crazy, well it is the last days generation what was i expecting? Then after that in 1994, started tearing up again. i ran from God. He revealed to me the narrow and difficult path that i must take, and i was not willing to take it. i ran from Him, crying now. hold on. . ..ok i'm back. i ran because i was not willing to take that road. Well after i ran. some time later God sent an Angel to me telling me it was time to come back. Well what He actually said was "You know what your problem is? You are sheep in wolves clothing and it is time to take off the wolves clothing" and then He was gone. Anyways this is not about my Angel visit so i won't go into any details about that and what it means by what He said. Anyways i came back, and gradually started working my way to be on the path that is very narrow and very difficult to be on. i am now on that path, i do all things to please Him, i no longer knowingly or willingly commit any sin against Him, i have been celibate for over 8 years now, i have no life at all, my life is the life that i live for Him, i am His slave, i do all things to please Him not myself. i have died, i have no life, my life belongs to Him. He is my Husband, i do nothing without His consent. But i have not heard from . started crying again, hold on, sorry...i have not heard from Him or felt Him since 1994, i should not have ran from Him, crying... why did i run? crying, i communed with God, i talked with Him, had conversations with Him, and i ruined it, i fled from Him, i ran from him and lived wickedly, i rebelled from Him, why oh why did i do such a thing, He has not talked with since. i battle with all the time, has He forsaken me? No, i know He love me, and He has not forsaken me, but He has withdrawn from me. He had to send an Angel to tell me something, why? Because He would not talk to me Himself. crying a lot now, i'll be back.

Only if i would not have run, the things He could tell me now, the questions i have for Him now, He would have answered. But i was stupid, i ran. As i said i have not felt His presence or heard His voice since 1994. Every time i think about that and what i did, Niagara Falls. i miss Him terribly, i miss Him speaking to me. i miss feeling His presence in the same room that i am in. Oh don't get me wrong. i know He is in me, i know He loves me, but it is not the same as it was prior to me running. Not the same at all. Any question i had prior to 1994 was answered by Him, now i have questions that He will not answer, because He does not speak to me any more, i have lost that, sorry crying again, my fault i lost it. Oh if i could just go back in time, and when He told me what i must do, i would then just say "Yes Lord, and do it" But i didn't, i ran. i know He has forgiven me. But you reap what you sow. i ran, and because i ran, He no longer speaks with me, silence. i am done talking about it.

i feel this way exactly. Prior to 1994 i could have walked into a Hospital and put my hands on every person and they would be healed, because Jesus was with me. But now, not so much. i don't feel Him like i did prior to 1994. i have not felt His presence since 1994. and i know what it feels like, pure LOVE. now i feel only emptiness, He is missing, He is not radiating from my whole being like He did before. i remember one time He was around, i smiled for two weeks straight, non stop smiling. my face was so sore afterwards from the constant smiling. oh how i long to feel like that again.
i too feel as if Christ has abandoned me, but not because of what He has done, but because of what i have done, i ran from Him. Oh He has not abandoned me concerning His Love for me. But in conversations, in visions, in dreams, there He has abandoned me. but it is entirely my fault He has done so. So i can understand 100% how she could refer to Him as the Absent One.

So am i evil and wicked because i have had the same thoughts as she? i am thankful God is my judge.

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DiscipleDave · Jan 28, 2016

Mec99 said:

The reason that Mother Teresa felt darkness and coldness and emptiness was because she never accepted Jesus as her Lord and Savior. The Catholics are brainwashed into believing that AFTER they die and AFTER they spend time in Purgatory is when they can accept Jesus as Lord and Savior and receive their Salvation!

They have been so deceived its a joke.

Mother Teresa will spend Eternity in the Lake of Fire.

i am so thankful, that you are not the judge on such matters.

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DiscipleDave · Jan 28, 2016

Jimbone said:

This is what you said and i quoted

"Unless she accepted Jesus Christ died for her sins and was born again, a teaching the RCC doesn't teach, she will not be there."

then you say quote "I wasn't suggesting the RCC teaches or doesn't teach anything," How were you not suggesting that when you said what you said above and is in bold? i plainly said i agree with everything you said, but have a question concerning something you said, that being, you said what is in bold above. Then i asked you if that is what they don't teach, because i do not know what they teach or what they do not teach, i asked you, but then you reply to me "I wasn't suggesting the RCC teaches or doesn't teach anything," as if you are upset that i asked you about it. It was not my intention to offend you in any way, i was merely asking you a question concerning something that you DID SAY.

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