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Well, we're all just trying to learn, here. It's good when people can discuss, disagree, discuss, then choose to either agree to disagree, or possibly learn something that changes the way they look at something.
It's so much more productive than name-calling and hateful comments...
I appreciate your comments, as well...
It's so much more productive than name-calling and hateful comments...
I appreciate your comments, as well...
Totally agree but I can see where the flesh can seep in, and get tired of dealing with the same twisting like calling ( Gods Word the Holy Spirit ) or a works based salvation and defend stuff like it tooth and nail.. People's blood probably begins to boil, and I think your right, either they just live to fight or want to be hateful, or is just decieved ... Idk, but I agree this gets childish
Wow, brother, but give them time, they'll probably try to find a way to top it! 
Just sick of the blatant arrogance and phony superiority by the likes of pilgrimpasting, as stuck-up a woman as there is, jasonj, another condescending pompous false-teacher, hrfd, a very twisted child with comprehension disorder, hornetguy, another condescending one who's afraid of the truth, (but may still have a chance)....
Just sick of their arrogant bs, and ain't taking it anymore.
Ppl want to keep playing patty-cakes and congratulate each other on how sweetly you can chat about doctrines of devils, go ahead. The enemy purrs...like a snake.
I don't have to like the pablum being vomitted up as superior-spirituality when it's nothing more than
condescending egotism, scripture twisting, and denial of the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ. Typical elitists.
Just sick of the blatant arrogance and phony superiority by the likes of pilgrimpasting, as stuck-up a woman as there is, jasonj, another condescending pompous false-teacher, hrfd, a very twisted child with comprehension disorder, hornetguy, another condescending one who's afraid of the truth, (but may still have a chance)....
Just sick of their arrogant bs, and ain't taking it anymore.
Ppl want to keep playing patty-cakes and congratulate each other on how sweetly you can chat about doctrines of devils, go ahead. The enemy purrs...like a snake.
I don't have to like the pablum being vomitted up as superior-spirituality when it's nothing more than
condescending egotism, scripture twisting, and denial of the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ. Typical elitists.
In this religion of "no one is regenerated or receives the remission of sins" until they get water baptized. This means that if someone dies before they get water baptized - they have no regeneration nor have received the remission of sins - which means they go to hell. This so clearly violates the gospel on so many levels.
Acts 21 with Peter shows people were sealed with the Holy Spirit before they were water baptized.
Here Paul gives us the way of coming into Christ by faith.
Ephesians 1:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,
Acts 21 with Peter shows people were sealed with the Holy Spirit before they were water baptized.
Here Paul gives us the way of coming into Christ by faith.
Ephesians 1:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,
Wow, brother, but give them time, they'll probably try to find a way to top it!
Just sick of the blatant arrogance and phony superiority by the likes of pilgrimpasting, as stuck-up a woman as there is, jasonj, another condescending pompous false-teacher, hrfd, a very twisted child with comprehension disorder, hornetguy, another condescending one who's afraid of the truth, (but may still have a chance)....
Just sick of their arrogant bs, and ain't taking it anymore.
Ppl want to keep playing patty-cakes and congratulate each other on how sweetly you can chat about doctrines of devils, go ahead. The enemy purrs...like a snake.
I don't have to like the pablum being vomitted up as superior-spirituality when it's nothing more than
condescending egotism, scripture twisting, and denial of the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ. Typical elitists.
Just sick of the blatant arrogance and phony superiority by the likes of pilgrimpasting, as stuck-up a woman as there is, jasonj, another condescending pompous false-teacher, hrfd, a very twisted child with comprehension disorder, hornetguy, another condescending one who's afraid of the truth, (but may still have a chance)....
Just sick of their arrogant bs, and ain't taking it anymore.
Ppl want to keep playing patty-cakes and congratulate each other on how sweetly you can chat about doctrines of devils, go ahead. The enemy purrs...like a snake.
I don't have to like the pablum being vomitted up as superior-spirituality when it's nothing more than
condescending egotism, scripture twisting, and denial of the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ. Typical elitists.
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Those who believe that (water) baptism is required for salvation are quick to use 1 Peter 3:21 as a “proof text,” because it states “baptism now saves you.” Was Peter really saying that the act of being baptized is what saves us? If he were, he would be contradicting many other passages of Scripture that clearly show people being saved (as evidenced by their receiving the Holy Spirit) prior to being baptized or without being baptized at all (like the thief on the cross in Luke 23:39-43). A good example of someone who was saved before being baptized is Cornelius and his household in Acts 10. We know that they were saved before being baptized because they had received the Holy Spirit, which is the evidence of salvation (Romans 8:9; Ephesians 1:13; 1 John 3:24). The evidence of their salvation was the reason Peter allowed them to be baptized. Countless passages of Scripture clearly teach that salvation comes when one believes in the gospel, at which time he or she is sealed “in Christ with the Holy Spirit of promise” (Ephesians 1:13).
Thankfully, though, we don’t have to guess at what Peter means in this verse because he clarifies that for us with the phrase “not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience.” While Peter is connecting baptism with salvation, it is not the act of being baptized that he is referring to (not the removal of dirt from the flesh). Being immersed in water does nothing but wash away dirt. What Peter is referring to is what baptism represents, which is what saves us (an appeal to God for a good conscience through the resurrection of Jesus Christ). In other words, Peter is simply connecting baptism with belief. It is not the getting-wet part that saves but is the “appeal to God for a clean conscience” which is signified by baptism, that saves us. The appeal to God always comes first. First belief and repentance, then we are baptized to publicly identify ourselves with Christ. Does 1 Peter 3:21 teach that baptism is necessary for salvation?
Thankfully, though, we don’t have to guess at what Peter means in this verse because he clarifies that for us with the phrase “not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience.” While Peter is connecting baptism with salvation, it is not the act of being baptized that he is referring to (not the removal of dirt from the flesh). Being immersed in water does nothing but wash away dirt. What Peter is referring to is what baptism represents, which is what saves us (an appeal to God for a good conscience through the resurrection of Jesus Christ). In other words, Peter is simply connecting baptism with belief. It is not the getting-wet part that saves but is the “appeal to God for a clean conscience” which is signified by baptism, that saves us. The appeal to God always comes first. First belief and repentance, then we are baptized to publicly identify ourselves with Christ. Does 1 Peter 3:21 teach that baptism is necessary for salvation?
It is true that this was said by some and inferred by others that they thought the same thing by posting scriptures to try to show that this was true but unfortunately those threads got deleted because of the numerous attacks from both sides of the discussion.
It was definitely said that regeneration of the believer and the remission of sins does not happen unless they are water baptized.
These records are lost forever and we do sometimes change our minds ( we repent ) when we see the clear scriptures in light of how the bible unfolds in Acts as time goes by.
It was definitely said that regeneration of the believer and the remission of sins does not happen unless they are water baptized.
These records are lost forever and we do sometimes change our minds ( we repent ) when we see the clear scriptures in light of how the bible unfolds in Acts as time goes by.