Seducing spirits and doctrines of devils

Grace777x70 · May 30, 2016

And yet we are sealed by the Holy Spirit when we believed in Christ.....the "application" of this might have something to do with the Cross and the New Covenant?

I say of course it does! I highly doubt in any stretch of man's imagination that a demon will evict the Holy Spirit from us...my goodness...the foolishness of this thought...

Ephesians 1:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Romans 8:16 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God,

John says we are safe in the Lord as He keeps us. Isn't that exciting to know that?

1 John 5:18 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.

RobbyEarl · May 30, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

Tell that to Paul, a messenger of satan sent to buffer me. I prayed three times and God answered "My grace is sufficient". We do sin and more than we know, we sin all the time, we are in the flesh still. To say that we do not sin is a lie and a sin so you have already sinned by saying we do not sin. However, if and when we sin and the Holy Spirit points out that sin if we repent then we are under the blood. Thank God for the blood of Jesus Christ and thank God that he did not let that cup pass from Him, Thank you Jesus that you took those stripes and your beard snatched out and beaten till your ribs shown and nailed to to a tree, just for me. Praise and glory be to your name forever and forever and even so Lord and king of kings come, please come. Amen

B1Davanda · May 30, 2016

ladylynn said:

AWESOME WHEN TAKEN IN CONTEXT.

And Praise worthy too. I look at the contrasting posts and see a shocking and yet wonderful difference.
We do not shy away from the truths of the Bible, we take them IN CONTEXT. We are confident to be able to search the Scriptures and know that in all, the grace of God in Christ is always first and foremost for those who Jesus has redeemed. There is no fear in love.

Preaching and teaching that magnifies Jesus and upholds confidence in His finished work is what I'm drawn to in my spirit man. Teaching that causes me to look to my flesh and the chances that I could be wrong for placing my faith in Christ and God's love for me are teachings I reject. It is in actuality as Grace777 has said, man made religion denying the finished work of Jesus Christ and instead upholding my own efforts to be right with God through my works.

Then there comes a fearful expectation of judgment when accepting the teaching of the OP. And that is what Jesus Christ has already taken in full when He died on the cross and rose again. If you have a fearful expectation of judgment you are not walking in the freedom Christ has died to give you.

That kind of teaching causes the believer to look to self and not to Jesus Who IS the Author and Finisher of our faith. We do not Author our own faith it is Christ Who does this. We do not finish our own faith, it is Christ Who does this. We are called to walk in faith that He does and will do this and that is how we grow. Any other way is going up another way. Taking many different verses and putting them together to say something is not right. The Bible is for all of us but many verses have been specifically "to" a group of people at a specific time. Some to the non believer, some to Jews some to the Christian.
To mix them all together is a mess and confusion. God is not the God of confusion.

Seducing spirits and doctrines of devils

1 Timothy 4:1-2 “Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from thefaith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;[SUP]2 [/SUP]Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having theirconscience seared with a hot iron;”

Paul is speaking of the falling away from the faith here, and how seducing spirits and doctrines of devils would draw many away from the true gospel message, and preach a message of peace and safety, even a message of eternal security for the wicked and ongoing sinners as we see today. Let’s explore thisseduction by a few verses of scripture.

It is written in Proverbs 12:26 “The righteous is more excellent than his neighbour: but the way of thewicked seduceth them.”

In Ezekiel chapter 13 the Lord is speaking to the false prophets, the foolish prophets who follow their ownspirit. Notice what the Lords says in Ezekiel 13:10 “Because, even because they have seduced my people,saying, Peace; and there was no peace; and one built up a wall, and, lo, others daubed it with untempered morter:” This wall of false doctrine and a false sense of security the Lord said he would bring down with His wrath.

Jesus also warned of many false prophets to come, who also would seduce here in Mark 13:22 “For falseChrists and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.”

And another warning from Paul in 2 Timothy 3:13 “But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse,deceiving, and being deceived.”

In 1 John 2:26 John was warning the disciples of Jesus Christ against seducers who were not walking in the Way and the Truth of the gospel. John said in verse 26 [SUP]“[/SUP]These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.”

If you back up to the beginning of the chapter and see what John had written, you would see the warnings that we also should take heed to today as well. One of the first warnings Johns writes is in the first verse is “My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.”

And this is the main theme of the warnings in Johns letter about those who were trying to seduce them with false doctrine.

John goes on to say in 1 John 2:3-7 “And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.[SUP]4 [/SUP]He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truthis not in him.[SUP]5 [/SUP]But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.[SUP]7 [/SUP]Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The oldcommandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.”

Jesus Christ is the Word that was heard from the beginning; believe on the words the Father gave to His Son as a commandment, and do what He says for you to do, this is the will of the Father, that you keep His commandments.

And be not deceived by those who preach a false sense of security in a life of ongoing sin, for the warnings are very clear. 1 Thessalonians 5:3 “For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.”

Awesome and multi-rep-worthy post, ladylynn!!!
You outdid yourself again. PRAISE THE LORD!!!

GraceRevelation said:

And Amen and Amen and Amen! God bless YOU, GraceRev! \

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PilgrimPassingThru · May 30, 2016

InSpiritInTruth said:

LOL! I'm not so sure about that, but perhaps they used some snake oil in order to grease and squeeze between the cracks in order to gain entry?

Psalm 55:12-21 "For it was not an enemy that reproached me; then I could have borne it: neither was it he that hated me that did magnify himself against me; then I would have hid myself from him:[SUP]13 [/SUP]But it was thou, a man mine equal, my guide, and mine acquaintance.[SUP]14 [/SUP]We took sweet counsel together, and walked unto the house of God in company.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell: for wickedness is in their dwellings, and among them.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]As for me, I will call upon God; and the Lord shall save me.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud: and he shall hear my voice.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]He hath delivered my soul in peace from the battle that was against me: for there were many with me.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]God shall hear, and afflict them, even he that abideth of old. Selah. Because they have no changes, therefore they fear not God.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]He hath put forth his hands against such as be at peace with him: he hath broken his covenant.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]The words of his mouth were smoother than butter, but war was in his heart:his words were softer than oil, yet were they drawn swords."

Yeah, that could be shown

Psalm 120:7 I am for peace: but when I speak, they are for war.

Even as it does say also

Prov 12:6 The words of the wicked are to lie in wait for blood

Laying in wait as is shown in Jerm 5:26

They were called various serpents or snakes, vipers whichever

Grace777x70 · May 30, 2016

RobbyEarl said:

Those verses I gave were to show that demons cannot kick out the Holy Spirit in a person...not that we can't harassed by them. We would have to die for that to happen..lol...and amen!..Thank you Jesus!

RobbyEarl · May 30, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

HHmm for some reason I like you, it seems that we keep each other on our toes and that a good thing, even though we do not agree with certain things. Amen

Grace777x70 · May 30, 2016

RobbyEarl said:

LOL..Amen..let's be holy rollers and have a celebratory family roll on the floor!

InSpiritInTruth · May 30, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

Just because someone proclaims themselves to have the Holy Spirit does not mean that they do. But Jesus words of warning are not foolishness concerning those who would in fact fall away from the faith. Peter confirms Jesus' words of warning here->>>>>>>

Now notice the wording Jesus used showing the “last state of that man” referring to a whole wicked generation compared to Peters concerning this same falling away in 2 Peter 2:20-22 “For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.[SUP]21 [/SUP]For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.[SUP]22 [/SUP]But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.”

Church2u2 · May 30, 2016

People lie about having the holy spirit more than we know. I had an experience with a visiting Evangelist..he preached up a storm at my church one Friday night and had a lot of people fooled..then after service he told one of the single female members that after preaching he always needed to bed a woman to release some tension..and this sister was stunned because for a while she'd faithfully followed his ministry. If she gave up her goodies or not is her buisness. .but we just need to beware of who we follow when it comes down to our salvation.

Grace777x70 · May 30, 2016

InSpiritInTruth said:

Paul uses the term "in Christ" in some form or other 174x times in his epistles when referring to Christians. We are talking about Christians here - not unbelievers.

The Holy Spirit is with us forever Jesus said.

John 14:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

[SUP]17 [/SUP] that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.

Ephesians 1:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

The Spirit of truth is with us forever!2 John 1:2 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] for the sake of the truth which abides in us and will be with us forever:

John says we are safe in the Lord as He keeps us. Isn't that exciting to know that?

As for your 2 Peter 2 ...here is the answer to that...that has been talked about in light of the New Covenant many times.

The whole chapter 2 in 2 Peter is talking about false prophets in verse 1...then in verse 9 Peter talks about the unrighteous ( the unbeliever )..

then in verse 13..they are stains and blemishes ( believers have no spot or blemish because of Jesus..1 Peter 1:19 Eph 5:27 Eph 1:4 )..all through that chapter he is not describing a believer in Christ.

Even "IF" it is talking about a believer it still does not say they go to hell.

Here is a post #49 from mailmandan that dissects 2 Peter 2:20 down for us.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/128910-twice-dead-3.html#post2428625

InSpiritInTruth · May 30, 2016

Scripture is very clear, many would depart from the faith as the Holy Spirit said. This means they were believers at one time, but they fell away from the faith. It's amazing as to what great lengths people will go to in order to deny what is plainly written in order to prop up a false doctrine. Read what Peter said again, clearly these people were believers at one time.

2 Peter 2:20-22 “For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.[SUP]21 [/SUP]For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.[SUP]22 [/SUP]But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.”

Denying the words of God as true, is denying Jesus Christ.

JustWhoIAm · May 30, 2016

PilgrimPassingThru said:

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

You have got to be kidding me.

Grace777x70 · May 30, 2016

InSpiritInTruth;2639430 (snip)[FONT=Calibri said:

Ahhh...I see that you have never read mailmandan's post I linked to in my last post....

...and as I said before... "IF" which is a very big "IF" it is a believer ( which mailmandan and I have shown it isn't ) - it doesn't say they go to hell - it says their life here will be worse then what they started with as all people in sin will attest to.

....so is this scripture below true then?

Exodus 32:33 (NASB)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.

Everyone who has ever sinned is blotted out of the book. That would mean all of us have been blotted out of the book.

This is the word of God....if we believe this scripture....is this denying Jesus Christ too?

Of course not..it looks like we need to read scripture with other scripture and always filtered through the lens of the finished work of Christ for salvation.

Never let obscure scripture rob you of the abundant clear scriptures. If it "seems" to contradict the very clear scriptures about our eternal life is secure in Christ. Then we are interpreting it wrong and we need to wait on the Lord to see how it fits in...

Context is everything in scripture. Start at verse 1 in 2 Peter 2 and you will get the context.

Church2u2 · May 30, 2016

Many new believers come to church expecting something of the Lord..but if that preacher is full of lying and seducing spirits then that baby in Christ will end up confused and led astray.The leader at the church has to have the holy spirit in order to teach sound doctrine and not some made up philosophy because the Pastor is responsible for the flock. And if the leader is full of confusion and lies the flock can not be helped.

PilgrimPassingThru · May 30, 2016

JustWhoIAm said:

Yeah, Barney has some catchy tunes

Here is a Teddy bear song, just post one of these behind any scripture that might depress you, and immediately it lightens up the atmosphere

[video=youtube;D_vmMPgiW2Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_vmMPgiW2Y[/video]

HeRoseFromTheDead · May 30, 2016

Offered with no comment.

[video=youtube;zJmiYNFa1w4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJmiYNFa1w4[/video]

PilgrimPassingThru · May 30, 2016

ROFL! I forgot about Mr Rogers LOL!

HeRoseFromTheDead · May 30, 2016

Maybe we can start appending NOT A MISTER ROGERS THREAD to titles of Mr. Mean Mistreater threads so that certain people can know to stay away.

HeRoseFromTheDead · May 30, 2016

PilgrimPassingThru said:

That'd be a great theme song for OSAS threads. Thus saith Mister Rogers! You can never go down the drain!

InSpiritInTruth · May 30, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

I already know mailman Dans views and yours, but he or you are not the Holy Spirit who expressly said many shall depart from the faith in the latter times. Confirmed by Jesus, and the apostles by multitudes of scripture which I posted already. Here is another one you guys try to explain away through your "filter" as you also do with many other scriptures in order to uphold your false doctrine->>>>>>

Hebrews 6:4-8 “For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,[SUP]5 [/SUP]And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,[SUP]6 [/SUP]If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:[SUP]8 [/SUP]But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.”

And of course the scriptures are true, but how can you have your name blotted out of a book in which your never had your name in to begin with? God's book of Life is not a book of the dead.

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