Seducing spirits and doctrines of devils

Grace777x70 · May 30, 2016

That could be a fair synopsis. One thing - I am not trying to attempt to make ISIT believe anything. I am giving out the scriptures in context as they fit in with the finished work of Christ as we can make the scriptures say anything we want when we don't view them in context.

ISIT does not believe in the security of the believer and therefore one has to "maintain" their salvation by their works and this is just anti-gospel. So, I give out the scriptures for the viewers that do not post in threads and let the Holy Spirit bring the truth of the 2 opposing sides of these thoughts to them.

I trust the Holy Spirit will guide all of us as we walk in the wondrous salvation our Lord bought for us with His blood.

Grace777x70 · May 30, 2016

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

Do you obey all the words of Jesus?

How about when He said to "go preach the gospel in Jerusalem , Judea, Samaria..." If you haven't done that, then you are not obeying the commandments of the Lord as you say - you are ignoring some of the words of Jesus.

We need to filter all scriptures through the finished work of Christ, No where in any of the word-for-word accounts in Acts 10 and 13 of the gospel being preached does it say you must forgive first before you can come to Christ.

Here is a great teaching on forgiveness. I use this site because it has some great comments at the bottom of the article where people can ask questions.

Did Jesus Put Price tags on Forgiveness? (Matthew 6:14-15)

https://escapetoreality.org/2015/08/06/forgiveness-matthew-6v14-15/

InSpiritInTruth · May 30, 2016

AH, wrong. A believer is one who truly believes in what Jesus said is true and also does what He commands us to do by faith. I do not believe in the false doctrine of so called "believers" who turn from the faith (believing) back to a life style of sin. Jesus said those who commit sin is a servant of sin and a servant of sin abides not in the house forever=Eternity

InSpiritInTruth · May 30, 2016

I like how these jokers want to tell others what I believe, when they do not even know what I believe. LOL

HeRoseFromTheDead · May 30, 2016

InSpiritInTruth said:

I get it all the time. Straw man. Set 'em up, knock 'em down.

Grace777x70 · May 30, 2016

On the subject of forgiveness that we have in Christ now because of His precious Blood...here is what the scriptures say.....sometimes the truth in the gospel of the grace of Christ "conflicts" with what we have been religiously taught.

1 John 2:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] I am writing to you, little children, because your sins have been forgiven you for His name's sake.

have been forgiven = perfect passive

perfect = The perfect tense expresses perfective action. Perfective action involves a present state which has resulted from a past action. The present state is a continuing state; the past action is a completed action. It is continuously happening in the present.

passive = voice = action is happening to you....you are not doing it

Without a doubt this verse says that the sins are forgiven from a past action that remains in a continuous completed state and that was put on them....not something they did.

Ephesians 1:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

We have redemption = present continuous action...so this means we have present continuous forgiveness of our sins...

and look...that grace stuff shows up again!...it's all according to the riches of our loving Father's grace that He has given to us in Christ our Lord.

Colossians 1:13-14 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

Same thing here too...present continuous action = forgiveness of sins

Redemption!..we have been bought with the precious Blood of Jesus... Let's honor His work.

Brethren ...we have a great salvation in our Lord!

Walk in the knowledge of your forgiveness in Christ and in that security we will experience maturity.

InSpiritInTruth · May 30, 2016

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

Well, they have to win an argument somehow, even if it means bearing false witness.

Grace777x70 · May 30, 2016

Here is a visual about forgiveness before the cross and after the cross for those that like them... Jesus finished work on the cross changed everything for us . We have a great complete salvation in Him.

Isn't lifting up Jesus and the gospel much better then beating the sheep up with death, dying, accursed, evil, destruction,..etc?

Grace777x70 · May 30, 2016

InSpiritInTruth said:

Jesus said all this about the children of God that are in Him as Paul talked about 140x times in his epistles...

The son does remain forever in the house.

John 8:35-36 (NASB)
[SUP]35 [/SUP] "The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son does remain forever.

[SUP]36 [/SUP] "So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.

Once we are in Christ - we become sons/daughters of God.

Galatians 3:26 (NASB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 4:6-7 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!"

[SUP]7 [/SUP] Therefore you are no longer a slave, but a son; and if a son, then an heir through God.

1 John 3:1-2 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

[SUP]2 [/SUP] Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

I encourage us to start to believe in the gospel of the grace of Christ. It is "good news".

If we see ourselves as children of God we will walk as children of our Father and our true nature in our new creation will transform our minds to reflect that nature outwardly in our behavior powered by the Spirit of God inside of us.

BeyondET · May 30, 2016

Ahhh man what happened in here a lot of bowling going on...

PilgrimPassingThru · May 30, 2016

Then I was looking for how your OP could be taken as depressing or spoken in something other then love and most of it is scripture.

I just bolded in black your commentary (which basically speaks of what the verse presented is saying)

InSpiritInTruth said:

1 Timothy 4:1-2 “Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;[SUP]2 [/SUP]Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;”

Paul is speaking of the falling away from the faith here, and how seducing spirits and doctrines of devils would draw many away from the true gospel message, and preach a message of peace and safety, even a message of eternal security for the wicked and ongoing sinners as we see today.

Let’s explore this seduction by a few verses of scripture.

It is written in Proverbs 12:26 “The righteous is more excellent than his neighbour: but the way of the wicked seduceth them.”

In Ezekiel chapter 13 the Lord is speaking to the false prophets, the foolish prophets who follow their own spirit.

Notice what the Lords says in

Ezekiel 13:10 “Because, even because they have seduced my people, saying, Peace; and there was no peace; and one built up a wall, and, lo, others daubed it with untempered morter:”

This wall of false doctrine and a false sense of security the Lord said he would bring down with His wrath.

Jesus also warned of many false prophets to come, who also would seduce here in

Mark 13:22 “For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.”

And another warning from Paul in

2 Timothy 3:13 “But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.”

In 1 John 2:26 John was warning the disciples of Jesus Christ against seducers who were not walking in the Way and the Truth of the gospel. John said in verse

26 [SUP]“[/SUP]These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.”

If you back up to the beginning of the chapter and see what John had written, you would see the warnings that we also should take heed to today as well. One of the first warnings Johns writes is in the first verse is

“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.”

And this is the main theme of the warnings in Johns letter about those who were trying to seduce them with false doctrine.

John goes on to say in

1 John 2:3-7 “And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.[SUP]4 [/SUP]He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.[SUP]5 [/SUP]But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. [SUP]6 [/SUP]He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.[SUP]7 [/SUP]Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.”

Jesus Christ is the Word that was heard from the beginning; believe on the words the Father gave to His Son as a commandment, and do what He says for you to do, this is the will of the Father, that you keep His commandments.

And be not deceived by those who preach a false sense of security in a life of ongoing sin, for the warnings are very clear.

1 Thessalonians 5:3 “For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.”

Not seeing the problem though

HeRoseFromTheDead · May 30, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

Scripture clearly teaches that a son who dishonors his father can be disinherited.

InSpiritInTruth · May 30, 2016

PilgrimPassingThru said:

Some people just don't love the words of God....which is Truth. But that was also covered in my posts.

2 Thessalonians 2:10
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

Grace777x70 · May 30, 2016

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

So, that means Jesus wasn't telling us the truth..and forever doesn't really mean forever?..and Paul..my goodness he is constantly telling us lies too I suppose?

Where do you find that in scripture in context too please?....this is to do with us as children of God and of course we still have to look at it in line with all the very clear abundant scriptures that say we are sealed with the Holy Spirit.

I could say clearly scripture teaches that Daffy Duck and Donald Duck are the 2 witnesses in the book of Revelation but I'm sure someone would want clear scripture on it.

InSpiritInTruth · May 30, 2016

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

I believe the angels who left their first estate are called sons of God, what was the end result there? Hmmm

Grace777x70 · May 30, 2016

InSpiritInTruth said:

Context, context, context

Have you heard of the gospel of the grace of Christ and what He has already done for us in His finished work on the cross and in His resurrection? It will change your life to hear the "good news"!

Have you not heard about the Lord Jesus Christ and how He died for us humans and that now we are called the children of God. We are in union with Christ. We are one with Christ - sealed in the Holy Spirit?

Paul says we are "in Christ" in some form 140x times.

1 Corinthians 6:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

HeRoseFromTheDead · May 30, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

Reuben was Jacob's firstborn who was disinherited because of his sin. Simeon and Levi were the 2nd and 3rd born, but were also disinherited because of their sin. If you think that a son under the new covenant can't be disinherited, you are simply delusional.

Now the sons of Reuben the firstborn of Israel, (for he [was] the firstborn; but, forasmuch as he defiled his father's bed, his birthright was given unto the sons of Joseph the son of Israel: and the genealogy is not to be reckoned after the birthright. 1 Chronicles 5:1

InSpiritInTruth · May 30, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

Context, context, context

Have you heard of the gospel of the grace of Christ and what He has already done for us in His finished work on the cross and in His resurrection? It will change your life to hear the "good news"!

Have you not heard about the Lord Jesus Christ and how He died for us humans and that now we are called the children of God. We are in union with Christ. We are one with Christ - sealed in the Holy Spirit?

Paul says we are "in Christ" in some form 140x times.

1 Corinthians 6:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

CONTEXT, CONTEXT, CONTEXT! See how 2 can play that game.

Grace777x70 · May 30, 2016

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

What in the world does that have to do with being born again in Christ and being sealed with the Holy Spirit and we are now children of God - one with Him forever Jesus said?

We can find any obscure scripture from the Old Testament to say just about anything but every scripture needs to line up with the known abundant truth in the New Covenant. Jesus changed things!..He really did.

So, that means Jesus wasn't telling us the truth..and forever doesn't really mean forever?..and Paul..my goodness he is constantly telling us lies too I suppose?

I really encourage you to look into the New Covenant and see what our Lord bought with His own blood for us.

HeRoseFromTheDead · May 30, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

What in the world does that have to do with being born again in Christ and being sealed with the Holy Spirit and we are now children of God - one with Him forever Jesus said?

We can find any obscure scripture from the Old Testament to say just about anything but every scripture needs to line up with the known abundant truth in the New Covenant. Jesus changed things!..He really did.

I really encourage you to look into the New Covenant and see what our Lord bought with His own blood for us.

It's only for those with ears that can hear.

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