How To Be Un-Saved
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Uhm... my older brother and his son are both in that same boat - at one time humongous Jesus freaks, now say there is no God and it's all a lie. Tell me... according to scripture, if one tastes and turns away, can they taste again? If one blasphemes the work of the Holy Spirit, can they be forgiven? That's what it means by 'they were never one of us' ... they revert back to their unsaved state, never to be saved again.
You discount experience. If you hear the Bible say that something will happen, and then you experience it happening, is that not a confirmation? Or do I look God in the face and say "oh that's not what You meant"?
You discount experience. If you hear the Bible say that something will happen, and then you experience it happening, is that not a confirmation? Or do I look God in the face and say "oh that's not what You meant"?
LOL! You are better than the Pharisees at coming up with questions to corner the unwary responder!! 
(But then I have been trying to best you with the same approach!)
All I know is that he no longer seems to be believing (by his own testimony and by his actions). Versus when he came to Christ he seemed to be clearly believing (by his own testimony and by his actions).
(But then I have been trying to best you with the same approach!)
All I know is that he no longer seems to be believing (by his own testimony and by his actions). Versus when he came to Christ he seemed to be clearly believing (by his own testimony and by his actions).
Swing and a miss....so what dictionary do you use, if any? Which translation of the Greek do you use, if any. Wait, wait....let me guess, you learned this through esoteric knowledge given to you by God Himself. We simple Bereans of course, are wasting our time with this sola scriptura thing. Even modern Greeks need translations of Koine Greek. I believe your "its the context" defense is wearing thin. I am not buying it.
R
...through the gift of faith. We do our believing through God's gracious gift of faith.
You can't do the believing (trusting) necessary to be saved without God's supernatural gift of faith (the ability to know what you can't see is true). That's why there is no boast possible in believing, even though you are the one doing the believing.
Since when is believing you earning your own salvation? Do you have a chapter and verse for that?
Paul said believing is in contrast to the other things you do to be saved. Believing is not working to earn your own salvation:
"5But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness"-Romans 4:5
See it? To the one who "does not work, but believes". He is contrasting working with believing, not equating them as you are doing. Believing is not included in the works that can not justify. Believing is exactly the very thing that you are to do to be justified before God.
You can't do the believing (trusting) necessary to be saved without God's supernatural gift of faith (the ability to know what you can't see is true). That's why there is no boast possible in believing, even though you are the one doing the believing.
Since when is believing you earning your own salvation? Do you have a chapter and verse for that?
Paul said believing is in contrast to the other things you do to be saved. Believing is not working to earn your own salvation:
"5But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness"-Romans 4:5
See it? To the one who "does not work, but believes". He is contrasting working with believing, not equating them as you are doing. Believing is not included in the works that can not justify. Believing is exactly the very thing that you are to do to be justified before God.
R
If his brother-in-law would have stayed with Christ, Christ would have no problem keeping him. He is quite capable that way. He would not let him down like the priesthood before Jesus failed at keeping God's people. Jesus is not a yutz like Eli was. Stick with Him. He is the Priest that is able to keep you good with the Father to the very end. Venture out away from him in unbelief and you haven't even the trace of a hope.
Faith works and receives wages. As an example, Abraham was justified solely by faith (Genesis 15:6), but he afterwards obeyed GOD's command of circumcision, which if he hadn't done he would have been cut off from GOD (Genesis 17:10-14). Abraham worked in his faith to obey the voice of GOD. Don't confuse justification with what follows afterwards. We believe, then we work in that faith, whatever is required.
[GOD] will give to each one according to his works: to those who by perseverance in good work seek glory and honor and immortality, eternal life, but to those [who act] from selfish ambition and who disobey the truth, but who obey unrighteousness, wrath and anger. Romans 2:6-8
I really could care less what you buy...serious....the end will settle all disputes about the word....Plenty will boast of their religious works and water as the right to enter.....bad day for them.....by the way...let me guess..even though you believe you can lose it and your pals believe they can lose it...none of you have...you have ALWAYS kept your salvation valid by what YOU DO right?
R
It's sad that so many hold a doctrine of salvation that says they can not know they are really saved until after they die. They can think they can know they are saved now, but since they insist John is saying only those who never leave are truly saved they can't know if they are truly saved until all opportunities in this life for them to leave have been exhausted.
And besides, John turns right around and tells the believers he's talking to to not also leave. So much for only true believers not being able to leave. Obviously, his counsel to the remaining believers shows us that is not what John was teaching in 1 John 2.
And besides, John turns right around and tells the believers he's talking to to not also leave. So much for only true believers not being able to leave. Obviously, his counsel to the remaining believers shows us that is not what John was teaching in 1 John 2.