2 sets of 10 Commandments?

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Exodus 34:1 - Now the LORD said to Moses, "Cut out for yourself two stone tablets like the former ones, and I will write on the tablets the words that were on the former tablets which you shattered.

If you actually sit down and write out the commandments in Exodus 20 and Exodus 34 (the first and second sets), the first couple commandments match, but then are no longer congruent. In essense, God said the words would be the same, and they are not. I ask why this is?
 
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Exodus 34:1 - Now the LORD said to Moses, "Cut out for yourself two stone tablets like the former ones, and I will write on the tablets the words that were on the former tablets which you shattered.

If you actually sit down and write out the commandments in Exodus 20 and Exodus 34 (the first and second sets), the first couple commandments match, but then are no longer congruent. In essense, God said the words would be the same, and they are not. I ask why this is?
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Perhaps Exodus 20 is the ten commandments and Exodus 34 is those same commandments with a covenant (34:10) attached to them?
 
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Exodus 34:1 - Now the LORD said to Moses, "Cut out for yourself two stone tablets like the former ones, and I will write on the tablets the words that were on the former tablets which you shattered.

Exodus 34:28 - And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

Exodus 20:

1. No other Gods
2. No graven images, or worshipping them
3. No taking the Lord’s Name in Vain
4. Remember the Sabbath Day
5. Honor Thy Father and Thy Mother
6. Thou Shalt Not Kill
7. Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery
8. Thou Shalt Not Steal
9. Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness
10. Thou Shalt Not Covet

Exodus 34:14-28:

1. Thou Shalt Worship God and Him Only
2. Thou Shalt Not Make Molten Gods
3. Thou Shalt Keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread
4. The first born or all things is mine.
5. Six Days Shall You work, but on the Seventh thou shalt rest
6. Thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, and three times a year your men children shall appear before the Lord.
7. Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven.
8. Neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the Passover be left unto the morning.
9. The first-fruits of thy land shall you bring unto the house of the Lord Thy God.
10. Thou shalt not boil a kid (baby goat) in his mother’s milk.
 
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Exodus 34:1 - Now the LORD said to Moses, "Cut out for yourself two stone tablets like the former ones, and I will write on the tablets the words that were on the former tablets which you shattered.

Exodus 34:28 - And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

Exodus 20:

1. No other Gods
2. No graven images, or worshipping them
3. No taking the Lord’s Name in Vain
4. Remember the Sabbath Day
5. Honor Thy Father and Thy Mother
6. Thou Shalt Not Kill
7. Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery
8. Thou Shalt Not Steal
9. Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness
10. Thou Shalt Not Covet

Exodus 34:14-28: (please take 34:10 into consideration. After God rewrote the commandments (34:1), He said I will make a covenant and that covenant was spelled out after verse 10)

1. Thou Shalt Worship God and Him Only
2. Thou Shalt Not Make Molten Gods
3. Thou Shalt Keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread
4. The first born or all things is mine.
5. Six Days Shall You work, but on the Seventh thou shalt rest
6. Thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, and three times a year your men children shall appear before the Lord.
7. Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven.
8. Neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the Passover be left unto the morning.
9. The first-fruits of thy land shall you bring unto the house of the Lord Thy God.
10. Thou shalt not boil a kid (baby goat) in his mother’s milk.
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Please take the Lord's words into consideration: "I will write on the tablets the words that were on the former tablets".
 
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Please take the Lord's words into consideration: "I will write on the tablets the words that were on the former tablets".
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I guess you are right, we have 20 commandments. Guess He did not keep His word.
 
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Laodicea, this is a thread for you.
 
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This is a good question and is not a short answer! Remember in Ex. 20 YHWH is speaking to all coming out of Eygpt they had to clean there clothes and prep themselves for three days to hear the Lord speak Well you know how that worked out. Moses came back with the first tablets on the first Pentecost finding them and the calf so on about 3,000 were killed just like about 3,000 were added to the church at the first Pentacost after Yeshua. Sorry just a quick point it is cool GOD never misses a beat. OK Here is the thing in Ex. 34 Moses is not giving an account of YHWH writting in order here YHWH does give him another copy in the same order as the first ones. The Lord is just telling some of the things that they all are not to do on top of the TEN instrructions. Take Ex. 34;26, "boiling a kid in its mothers milk" That was what the heathens did to ask there false gods to bless the next years harvest boil the baby kid and take the milk and sprinkle it over there land I know sounds stupid to us but they did a lot of strange things. Look at some of the jews of today they think Ex 34;26 is saying you cant have milk and beef together look up Gen 18;8 to funny sorry I got off track. That is just one of many examples YHWH goes through in EX. 34 there is alot more. I hope this can help a little. Blessings and "shabbat shalome".
 
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Were the 3,000 people murdered before even hearing the 10 commandments?
 
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Ex.32;28 is where you can find the account.
 
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Read exodus 21 etc.... 34 just summarizes handwritten by moses terms of the covenant that Israel breaks and is replaced with the new covenant meditated by Christ Jesus grrr..technology....n
 
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Exodus 34:1 - Now the LORD said to Moses, "Cut out for yourself two stone tablets like the former ones, and
I will write on the tablets the words that were on the former tablets which you shattered.

Exodus 34:28 - And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

Exodus 20:

1. No other Gods
2. No graven images, or worshipping them
3. No taking the Lord’s Name in Vain
4. Remember the Sabbath Day
5. Honor Thy Father and Thy Mother
6. Thou Shalt Not Kill
7. Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery
8. Thou Shalt Not Steal
9. Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness
10. Thou Shalt Not Covet

Exodus 34:14-28:

1. Thou Shalt Worship God and Him Only
2. Thou Shalt Not Make Molten Gods
3. Thou Shalt Keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread
4. The first born or all things is mine.
5. Six Days Shall You work, but on the Seventh thou shalt rest
6. Thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, and three times a year your men children shall appear before the Lord.
7. Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven.
8. Neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the Passover be left unto the morning.
9. The first-fruits of thy land shall you bring unto the house of the Lord Thy God.
10. Thou shalt not boil a kid (baby goat) in his mother’s milk.
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Ex 34:14-28 does not state these are the commandments written on the second stone tablets.

They are another set of instructions Moses was to record, as he recorded the instructions in Leviticus.

Ex 34:28 states that on the stone tablets he wrote the Ten Commandments, which were the "words of the covenant," its conditions.

There are not two sets of commandments, which are the words of the covenant and its conditions.
 
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Please pay close attention to the bold words:

Ex 34:1 - The LORD said to Moses, "Chisel out two stone tablets like the first ones, and I will write on them the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke.

Ex 34:4 - So Moses chiseled out two stone tablets like the first ones and went up Mount Sinai early in the morning, as the LORD had commanded him; and he carried the two stone tablets in his hands.

Ex 34:10 - Then the LORD said: "I am making a covenant with you. Before all your people I will do wonders never before done in any nation in all the world. The people you live among will see how awesome is the work that I, the LORD, will do for you.

Ex 34:11-26: the covenant (2nd set of ten commandments) that god "[is] making... with [Moses]"

Ex 34:27 - Then the LORD said to Moses, "Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel."

Ex 34:28 - Moses was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of thecovenant - the Ten Commandment

Notice the word 'and': it is not 'then' or 'after 40 days...', it means while, and verse 28 specifically states moses wrote the words of the covenant on the new tablets while he fasted for 40 days and nights, which god explicitly described in verse 11 through 26.

When Ex. 34:10 explicitly states God is making a covenenant with Moses, and 34:27 concludes the making of the covenant for Moses to write down, it can only be concluded that "the covenant" can only be that which is found between verse 10 and verse 27. If you do not think so, you are showing me a polymorphic interpretation, in which you choose to make it say something else which it does not.
 
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Sigh should i even bother ?....
 
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Please pay close attention to the bold words:

Ex 34:1 - The LORD said to Moses, "Chisel out two stone tablets like the first ones, and I will write on them the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke.

Ex 34:4 - So Moses chiseled out two stone tablets like the first ones and went up Mount Sinai early in the morning, as the LORD had commanded him; and he carried the two stone tablets in his hands.

Ex 34:10 - Then the LORD said: "I am making a covenant with you. Before all your people I will do wonders never before done in any nation in all the world. The people you live among will see how awesome is the work that I, the LORD, will do for you.

Ex 34:11-26: the covenant (2nd set of ten commandments) that god "[is] making... with [Moses]"

Ex 34:27 - Then the LORD said to Moses, "Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel."

Ex 34:28 - Moses was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant - the Ten Commandment

Notice the word 'and': it is not 'then' or 'after 40 days...', it means while, and verse 28 specifically states moses wrote the words of the covenant on the new tablets while he fasted for 40 days and nights, which god explicitly described in verse 11 through 26.

When Ex. 34:10 explicitly states God is making a covenenant with Moses, and 34:27 concludes the making of the covenant for Moses to write down, it can only be concluded that "the covenant" can only be that which is found between verse 10 and verse 27. If you do not think so, you are showing me a polymorphic interpretation, in which you choose to make it say something else which it does not.
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Nope. . .this is not 21st century English grammar. . .this is ancient Hebrew.

And you are setting v.27 against v.28, which shows you misunderstand.

Dt 10:4 makes their reconciliation clear.
 
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[QUOte terminator;951555]Exodus 34:1 - Now the LORD said to Moses, "Cut out for yourself two stone tablets like the former ones, and I will write on the tablets the words that were on the former tablets which you shattered.

Exodus 34:28 - And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

Exodus 20:

1. No other Gods
2. No graven images, or worshipping them
3. No taking the Lord’s Name in Vain
4. Remember the Sabbath Day
5. Honor Thy Father and Thy Mother
6. Thou Shalt Not Kill
7. Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery
8. Thou Shalt Not Steal
9. Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness
10. Thou Shalt Not Covet
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Ten commandments above...
Exodus 34:14-28:

1. Thou Shalt Worship God and Him Only
2. Thou Shalt Not Make Molten Gods .....exodus 20 v23
3. Thou Shalt Keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread......ex23v.15
4. The first born or all things is mine......exodus 22v.29
5. Six Days Shall You work, but on the Seventh thou shalt rest......exodus 23v.12
6. Thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, and three times a year your men children shall appear before the Lord.....
7. Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven.
8. Neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the Passover be left unto the morning....foreshadow Jesus death...
9. The first-fruits of thy land shall you bring unto the house of the Lord Thy God....exodus 23v16

10. Thou shalt not boil a kid (baby goat) in his mother’s milk.
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Exodus 34 does not list 10 commandments but summarizes other parts of the old covenant....you can find then in the chapters after exodus 20
 
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