2 sets of 10 Commandments?

[Ariel82]

Haven't the time to match up all of them but you get the general idea:

Exodus 34:14-28:

1. Thou Shalt Worship God and Him Only
2. Thou Shalt Not Make Molten Gods ....

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Exodus 20:23

New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]23 [/SUP]You shall not make anything to be with Me—gods of silver or gods of gold you shall not make for yourselves.

3. Thou Shalt Keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread......ex23v.15

Exodus 23:15

New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]15 [/SUP]You shall keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread (you shall eat unleavened bread seven days, as I commanded you, at the time appointed in the month of Abib, for in it you came out of Egypt; none shall appear before Me empty);

4. The first born or all things is mine......exodus 22v.29

Exodus 22:29

New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]29 [/SUP]“You shall not delay to offer the first of your ripe produce and your juices. The firstborn of your sons you shall give to Me.

5. Six Days Shall You work, but on the Seventh thou shalt rest......exodus 23v.12

Exodus 23:12

New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]12 [/SUP]Six days you shall do your work, and on the seventh day you shall rest, that your ox and your donkey may rest, and the son of your female servant and the stranger may be refreshed.

6. Thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, and three times a year your men children shall appear before the Lord.....
7. Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven.
8. Neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the Passover be left unto the morning....foreshadow Jesus death...
9. The first-fruits of thy land shall you bring unto the house of the Lord Thy God....exodus 23v16

Exodus 23
[SUP]16 [/SUP]and the Feast of Harvest, the firstfruits of your labors which you have sown in the field; and the Feast of Ingathering at the end of the year, when you have gathered in the fruit of your labors from the field.

10. Thou shalt not boil a kid (baby goat) in his mother’s milk.

have to feed my daugther lunch
but I'm sure if you looked you could find the other commandments in either Exodus, Deut, or Leviticus as additional laws that go with the old covenant God established with Israel.

Hebrews 8

[SUP]7 [/SUP]For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— [SUP]9 [/SUP]not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. [SUP]11 [/SUP]None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. [SUP]12 [/SUP]For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds[SUP][b][/SUP] I will remember no more.”[SUP][c][/SUP]
[SUP]13 [/SUP]In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

 

[Ariel82]

here is for number 10.

Exodus 23:19The first of the firstfruits of your land you shall bring into the house of the Lord your God. You shall not boil a young goat in its mother’s milk.

 

[Ariel82]

you can find 6, 7 , 8, 9, and 10 in these passages:

Exodus 23
[SUP]14 [/SUP]“Three times you shall keep a feast to Me in the year: [SUP]15 [/SUP]You shall keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread (you shall eat unleavened bread seven days, as I commanded you, at the time appointed in the month of Abib, for in it you came out of Egypt; none shall appear before Me empty); [SUP]16 [/SUP]and the Feast of Harvest, the firstfruits of your labors which you have sown in the field; and the Feast of Ingathering at the end of the year, when you have gathered in the fruit of your labors from the field.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]“Three times in the year all your males shall appear before the Lord God.[SUP][a][/SUP]
[SUP]18 [/SUP]“You shall not offer the blood of My sacrifice with leavened bread; nor shall the fat of My sacrifice remain until morning. [SUP]19 [/SUP]The first of the firstfruits of your land you shall bring into the house of the Lord your God. You shall not boil a young goat in its mother’s milk.

 

[terminator]

Not sure why you're posting all this. I'm just wondering why the first two sets don't match up as
stated in the Bible?

 

[Ariel82]

I will speak very slowly.... they do match up, you are just trying to match up the wrong passages.

 

[HEIsRiSen]

Terminator, you are being willfully ignorant. People have addressed your questions but you refuse to see it.

 

[terminator]

Have not yet heard an explanation for

Exodus 34:1 - Now the LORD said to Moses, "Cut out for yourself two stone tablets like the former ones, and I will write on the tablets the words that were on the former tablets which you shattered.

Yes, please explain but before you do which commandments were on the tablets that were shattered?

 

[Ariel82]

it doesn't say that the laws in Exodus 34 are the "Ten commandments" that God wrote on the stone tablet. it states that they are part of the covenant that God made with Israel. I am posting where God told Moses the FIRST time the same laws as repeated in Exodus 34, most can be found in Exodus 23.

When it says God wrote the TEN commandments on the tablets of stone it refers to the ten listed in Exodus 20 and Deut 5. not the 10 you assumed were listed in Exodus 34.

why do you not include these in your list from Exodus 34?

19“And none shall appear before Me empty-handed.

22the Feast of Ingathering at the year’s end.

the three times they were to appear before God were the three feasts: the feast of unleaven bread/passover, the feast of Weeks during the first harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.

they are one commandment not two or more as you have divided them.

 

[Ariel82]

it might not be willful. sorry gotta feed the munchkins they finished the first set...

 

[Ariel82]

Exodus 34:1 - Now the LORD said to Moses, "Cut out for yourself two stone tablets like the former ones, and I will write on the tablets the words that were on the former tablets which you shattered.

Exodus 34:28 - And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

Exodus 20:

1. No other Gods
2. No graven images, or worshipping them
3. No taking the Lord’s Name in Vain
4. Remember the Sabbath Day
5. Honor Thy Father and Thy Mother
6. Thou Shalt Not Kill
7. Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery
8. Thou Shalt Not Steal
9. Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness
10. Thou Shalt Not Covet

Ten commandments above...

I guess you missed this post of mine. these are the TEN commandments written by God onto the stone tablets.

 

[Ariel82]

perhaps it would help to know that the feast of unleaven bread is just another name for passover?

That is why the firstborn is holy because remember the plague in Eygpt killed the firstborn of every family or herd unless they had the blood on the doorway. I"m sure someone can find the scriptures outlining it.

 

[terminator]

But Exodus 34:28 states these are the 10 Commandments.

1. Thou Shalt Worship God and Him Only
2. Thou Shalt Not Make Molten Gods
3. Thou Shalt Keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread
4. The first born or all things is mine.
5. Six Days Shall You work, but on the Seventh thou shalt rest
6. Thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, and three times a year your men children shall appear before the Lord.
7. Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven.
8. Neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the Passover be left unto the morning.
9. The first-fruits of thy land shall you bring unto the house of the Lord Thy God.
10. Thou shalt not boil a kid (baby goat) in his mother’s milk.

 

[Ariel82]

the establishment of Passover:

Exodus 34
[SUP]18 [/SUP]“The Feast of Unleavened Bread you shall keep. Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread, as I commanded you, in the appointed time of the month of Abib; for in the month of Abib you came out from Egypt.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]“All that open the womb are Mine, and every male firstborn among your livestock, whether ox or sheep. [SUP]20 [/SUP]But the firstborn of a donkey you shall redeem with a lamb. And if you will not redeem him, then you shall break his neck. All the firstborn of your sons you shall redeem.
“And none shall appear before Me empty-handed.

[SUP]25 [/SUP]“You shall not offer the blood of My sacrifice with leaven, nor shall the sacrifice of the Feast of the Passover be left until morning.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]“The first of the firstfruits of your land you shall bring to the house of the Lord your God. You shall not boil a young goat in its mother’s milk.”

reference to Eygpt:

Exodus 12

[h=3]Exodus 12[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[h=3]12 Now the Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying, [SUP]2 [/SUP]“This month shall be your beginning of months; it shall be the first month of the year to you. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Speak to all the congregation of Israel, saying: ‘On the tenth of this month every man shall take for himself a lamb, according to the house of his father, a lamb for a household. [SUP]4 [/SUP]And if the household is too small for the lamb, let him and his neighbor next to his house take it according to the number of the persons; according to each man’s need you shall make your count for the lamb. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year. You may take it from the sheep or from the goats. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Now you shall keep it until the fourteenth day of the same month. Then the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it at twilight. [SUP]7 [/SUP]And they shall take some of the blood and put it on the two doorposts and on the lintel of the houses where they eat it. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Then they shall eat the flesh on that night; roasted in fire, with unleavened bread and with bitter herbs they shall eat it. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Do not eat it raw, nor boiled at all with water, but roasted in fire—its head with its legs and its entrails. [SUP]10 [/SUP]You shall let none of it remain until morning, and what remains of it until morning you shall burn with fire. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And thus you shall eat it: with a belt on your waist, your sandals on your feet, and your staff in your hand. So you shall eat it in haste. It is the Lord’s Passover.[/h] [SUP]12 [/SUP]‘For I will pass through the land of Egypt on that night, and will strike all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the Lord. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Now the blood shall be a sign for you on the houses where you are. And when I see the blood, I will pass over you; and the plague shall not be on you to destroy you when I strike the land of Egypt.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]‘So this day shall be to you a memorial; and you shall keep it as a feast to the Lord throughout your generations. You shall keep it as a feast by an everlasting ordinance. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread. On the first day you shall remove leaven from your houses. For whoever eats leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that person shall be cut off from Israel. [SUP]16 [/SUP]On the first day there shall be a holy convocation, and on the seventh day there shall be a holy convocation for you. No manner of work shall be done on them; but that which everyone must eat—that only may be prepared by you. [SUP]17 [/SUP]So you shall observe the Feast of Unleavened Bread, for on this same day I will have brought your armies out of the land of Egypt. Therefore you shall observe this day throughout your generations as an everlasting ordinance. [SUP]18 [/SUP]In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at evening, you shall eat unleavened bread, until the twenty-first day of the month at evening. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For seven days no leaven shall be found in your houses, since whoever eats what is leavened, that same person shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he is a stranger or a native of the land. [SUP]20 [/SUP]You shall eat nothing leavened; in all your dwellings you shall eat unleavened bread.’”
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel and said to them, “Pick out and take lambs for yourselves according to your families, and kill the Passover lamb. [SUP]22 [/SUP]And you shall take a bunch of hyssop, dip it in the blood that is in the basin, and strike the lintel and the two doorposts with the blood that is in the basin. And none of you shall go out of the door of his house until morning. [SUP]23 [/SUP]For the Lord will pass through to strike the Egyptians; and when He sees the blood on the lintel and on the two doorposts, the Lord will pass over the door and not allow the destroyer to come into your houses to strike you. [SUP]24 [/SUP]And you shall observe this thing as an ordinance for you and your sons forever. [SUP]25 [/SUP]It will come to pass when you come to the land which the Lord will give you, just as He promised, that you shall keep this service. [SUP]26 [/SUP]And it shall be, when your children say to you, ‘What do you mean by this service?’ [SUP]27 [/SUP]that you shall say, ‘It is the Passover sacrifice of the Lord, who passed over the houses of the children of Israel in Egypt when He struck the Egyptians and delivered our households.’” So the people bowed their heads and worshiped. [SUP]28 [/SUP]Then the children of Israel went away and did so; just as the Lord had commanded Moses and Aaron, so they did.

[SUP]29 [/SUP]And it came to pass at midnight that the Lord struck all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh who sat on his throne to the firstborn of the captive who was in the dungeon, and all the firstborn of livestock. [SUP]30 [/SUP]So Pharaoh rose in the night, he, all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt, for there was not a house where there was not one dead.

hope that helps.

 

[Ariel82]

But Exodus 34:28 states these are the 10 Commandments.

no it doesn't, its your mistaken belief that is blinding you to what it actually says.

would you like me to post the scriptures parallel so you can see them and explain how its ONE commandment not the 3 you have broken them up into?

 

[Ariel82]

here we go: ONE commandment: keep the THREE feasts:

God told MOSES to write these words because according to the TENOR of these words is the promise. for the feast FORESHADOW Jesus and His ultimate Passover sacrifice. The feasts are a shadow of what is fulfilled by Jesus life and death and resurrection.

Exodus 34

[SUP]18 [/SUP]“The Feast of Unleavened Bread you shall keep. Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread, as I commanded you, in the appointed time of the month of Abib; for in the month of Abib you came out from Egypt.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]“All that open the womb are Mine, and every male firstborn among your livestock, whether ox or sheep. [SUP]20 [/SUP]But the firstborn of a donkey you shall redeem with a lamb. And if you will not redeem him, then you shall break his neck. All the firstborn of your sons you shall redeem.
“And none shall appear before Me empty-handed.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]“Six days you shall work, but on the seventh day you shall rest; in plowing time and in harvest you shall rest.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]“And you shall observe the Feast of Weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the Feast of Ingathering at the year’s end.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]“Three times in the year all your men shall appear before the Lord, the Lord God of Israel. [SUP]24 [/SUP]For I will cast out the nations before you and enlarge your borders; neither will any man covet your land when you go up to appear before the Lord your God three times in the year.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]“You shall not offer the blood of My sacrifice with leaven, nor shall the sacrifice of the Feast of the Passover be left until morning.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]“The first of the firstfruits of your land you shall bring to the house of the Lord your God. You shall not boil a young goat in its mother’s milk.”
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write these words, for according to the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.”

notice how they line up with Exodus 23?

[SUP]10 [/SUP]“Six years you shall sow your land and gather in its produce, [SUP]11 [/SUP]but the seventh year you shall let it rest and lie fallow, that the poor of your people may eat; and what they leave, the beasts of the field may eat. In like manner you shall do with your vineyard and your olive grove. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Six days you shall do your work, and on the seventh day you shall rest, that your ox and your donkey may rest, and the son of your female servant and the stranger may be refreshed.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]“And in all that I have said to you, be circumspect and make no mention of the name of other gods, nor let it be heard from

[SUP]14 [/SUP]“Three times you shall keep a feast to Me in the year: [SUP]15 [/SUP]You shall keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread (you shall eat unleavened bread seven days, as I commanded you, at the time appointed in the month of Abib, for in it you came out of Egypt; none shall appear before Me empty); [SUP]16 [/SUP]and the Feast of Harvest, the firstfruits of your labors which you have sown in the field; and the Feast of Ingathering at the end of the year, when you have gathered in the fruit of your labors from the field.

[SUP]17 [/SUP]“Three times in the year all your males shall appear before the Lord God.[SUP][a][/SUP]

[SUP]18 [/SUP]“You shall not offer the blood of My sacrifice with leavened bread; nor shall the fat of My sacrifice remain until morning. [SUP]19 [/SUP]The first of the firstfruits of your land you shall bring into the house of the Lord your God. You shall not boil a young goat in its mother’s milk.

3 feasts:
1. Unleaven bread/ passover at the begining of the year,
2. in the middle of the year: the feasts of Weeks (or feast of SEVENS)/ Feast of Harvest/ Feast of firstfruits (same feast different names)
3. Feast of the Ingathering at the end of the year.

1. Jesus death as the Passover lamb

2. Jesus resurrection and calling of the Firstfruit of the Spirit
(Romans 8:23
Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body.)

3. Jesus return and the final in gathering of the saints.

 

[Elin]

Have not yet heard an explanation for

Exodus 34:1 - Now the LORD said to Moses, "Cut out for yourself two stone tablets like the former ones, and I will write on the tablets the words that were on the former tablets which you shattered.

What needs to be explained?

 

[Elin]

Exodus 34:1 - Now the LORD said to Moses, "Cut out for yourself two stone tablets like the former ones, and I will write on the tablets the words that were on the former tablets which you shattered.

Exodus 34:28 - And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

Exodus 20:

1. No other Gods
2. No graven images, or worshipping them
3. No taking the Lord’s Name in Vain
4. Remember the Sabbath Day
5. Honor Thy Father and Thy Mother
6. Thou Shalt Not Kill
7. Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery
8. Thou Shalt Not Steal
9. Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness
10. Thou Shalt Not Covet

Exodus 34:14-28:

1. Thou Shalt Worship God and Him Only
2. Thou Shalt Not Make Molten Gods
3. Thou Shalt Keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread
4. The first born or all things is mine.
5. Six Days Shall You work, but on the Seventh thou shalt rest
6. Thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, and three times a year your men children shall appear before the Lord.
7. Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven.
8. Neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the Passover be left unto the morning.
9. The first-fruits of thy land shall you bring unto the house of the Lord Thy God.
10. Thou shalt not boil a kid (baby goat) in his mother’s milk.

Clearly, they are not the same words!

Pay attention.

That's already been addressed in the following:

There are not two sets of commandments, which are the words of the covenant and its conditions.
Please pay close attention to the bold words:

Ex 34:1 - The LORD said to Moses, "Chisel out two stone tablets like the first ones, and I will write on them the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke.

Ex 34:4 - So Moses chiseled out two stone tablets like the first ones and went up Mount Sinai early in the morning, as the LORD had commanded him; and he carried the two stone tablets in his hands.

Ex 34:10 - Then the LORD said: "I am making a covenant with you. Before all your people I will do wonders never before done in any nation in all the world. The people you live among will see how awesome is the work that I, the LORD, will do for you.

Ex 34:11-26: the covenant (2nd set of ten commandments) that god "[is] making... with [Moses]"

Ex 34:27 - Then the LORD said to Moses, "Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel."

Ex 34:28 - Moses was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant - the Ten Commandment

Notice the word 'and': it is not 'then' or 'after 40 days...', it means while, and verse 28 specifically states moses wrote the words of the covenant on the new tablets while he fasted for 40 days and nights, which god explicitly described in verse 11 through 26.

When Ex. 34:10 explicitly states God is making a covenenant with Moses, and 34:27 concludes the making of the covenant for Moses to write down, it can only be concluded that "the covenant" can only be that which is found between verse 10 and verse 27. If you do not think so, you are showing me a polymorphic interpretation, in which you choose to make it say something else which it does not.

Nope. . .this is not 21st century English grammar. . .this is ancient Hebrew.

And you are setting v.27 against v.28, which shows you misunderstand.

Dt 10:4 makes their reconciliation clear.

 

[Elin]

Yes, please explain but before you do which commandments were on the tablets that were shattered?

You are confusing the Book of the Covenant (Ex 24:7), composed of Ex 20:22--23:19,
with the stone tablets on which the Ten Commandments were written (Ex 24:12).

These are the tablets which Moses broke in anger at the Israelites' idolatry (Ex 32:19).

God then gave Moses a second set of the Ten Commandments written on tablets of stone(Ex 34:1, 28) to replace the ones he had broken.

And again, you are confusing the words renewing the covenant (of chps 19-24) in Ex 34:10-26,
where many of the terms are repeated from previous sections of Exodus
(12:8-10,17, 13:2, 20:3, 4, 8, 22:29, 23:14-19, 24),
which words of renewal Moses was to write down (Ex 34:27),
with the Ten Commandments which God wrote (Dt 10:4) on the tablets of stone (Ex 24:28).

The same Ten Commandments were written on both sets of stone tablets, which Ten Commandments were the Mosaic Covenant, and were placed in the Ark of the Covenant.

 

[terminator]

no it doesn't, its your mistaken belief that is blinding you to what it actually says.

would you like me to post the scriptures parallel so you can see them and explain how its ONE commandment not the 3 you have broken them up into?

Exodus 34:28
Moses was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments.

Is this not referring to Exodus 34:14-26?

 

[wdeaton65]

Somehow I knew that it would come down to this. Time and time again the word of GOD gives us a look into the life of the people that would be on the earth at the end. They will hate GOD, HIS WORD, HIS SON, which are all the same thing. I just never thought man would ever come to this idea in this thread. Its not good enough that we twist and remove Yods and Titles Which Yeshua said not to do for that is how we destroy the Torah and the Prophets Mt. 5; 17-18 I never thought I would live to see the day that even the 10 commandments would be questioned as the word of GOD!! Wow how this world has fallen Even the freemasons George Washington and friends new what the ten commandments were. GOD spoke them once and wrote them twice in stone mind you. I think that some of the answers you got terminator were right on not to mention your own statement about Ex34;1 the same words as the first tablets. Congratulations terminator you are the first person I have ever heard of questioning something so basic. I have not ever had anybody preach or teach anything other than the account in Ex. 20 as being the same commandments through out the whole Bible. I do know that the english version is not a clear representation of the Hebrew but it is pretty good. I am left with one question terminator are you a real born again believer or not? I think someone ask in one of these replies. Not sure you were very clear in your answer it is YES or NO please if you will give us a definate answer thank you.