2 sets of 10 Commandments?

[Ariel82]

Them not then...they are part of the old covenant, but not the 10 commandments...why would he have t o restate instead of just refer back to the 10 commandments from ex 20?

 

[crossnote]

Teminator,
You often play the 'gotcha' game. In your profile you indicate 'Christian'. Do you mind telling us if...
1.The Scriptures are God's Word/fully inspired by God?
2. There is no salvation apart from His Son, Jesus Christ?

 

[terminator]

Teminator,
You often play the 'gotcha' game. In your profile you indicate 'Christian'. Do you mind telling us if...
1.The Scriptures are God's Word/fully inspired by God?
2. There is no salvation apart from His Son, Jesus Christ?

I don't know. Do you mind demonstrating how you know that those 2 statements are true?

 

[Elin]

I don't know. Do you mind demonstrating how you know that those 2 statements are true?

He didn't ask if they were true.

He asked if you believe them.

That's a yes or no.

Anything else is a no.


I believe them, and that's a yes.

It's not complicated.

 

[crossnote]

I don't know. Do you mind demonstrating how you know that those 2 statements are true?

Fine. So am I correct in saying you are not a Christian and your profile is misleading?

 

[wdeaton65]

Yes, it seems that 3,000 people were slaughtered before ever hearing the 10 commandments.

Ex. 20 They all heard the voice of YHWY from the mountain. TEN instructions all were accountable without excuse.

 

[terminator]

Let's stay on topic here.

 

[HEIsRiSen]

Please pay close attention to the bold words:

Ex 34:1 - The LORD said to Moses, "Chisel out two stone tablets like the first ones, and I will write on them the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke.

Ex 34:4 - So Moses chiseled out two stone tablets like the first ones and went up Mount Sinai early in the morning, as the LORD had commanded him; and he carried the two stone tablets in his hands.

Ex 34:10 - Then the LORD said: "I am making a covenant with you. Before all your people I will do wonders never before done in any nation in all the world. The people you live among will see how awesome is the work that I, the LORD, will do for you.

Ex 34:11-26: the covenant (2nd set of ten commandments) that god "[is] making... with [Moses]"

Ex 34:27 - Then the LORD said to Moses, "Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel."

Ex 34:28 - Moses was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of thecovenant - the Ten Commandment

Notice the word 'and': it is not 'then' or 'after 40 days...', it means while, and verse 28 specifically states moses wrote the words of the covenant on the new tablets while he fasted for 40 days and nights, which god explicitly described in verse 11 through 26.

When Ex. 34:10 explicitly states God is making a covenenant with Moses, and 34:27 concludes the making of the covenant for Moses to write down, it can only be concluded that "the covenant" can only be that which is found between verse 10 and verse 27. If you do not think so, you are showing me a polymorphic interpretation, in which you choose to make it say something else which it does not.

It seems to me that you are trying to be deceptive and play word games with people. Look at 34:1 even as you wrote. It does not say specifically that Moses wrote anything on the new tablets, it says he (Moses' name specified) chiseled out the tablets, GOD rewrote His commandments ('he' that wrote on the tablets in verse 28 is God as later clarified by Moses in Deuteronomy). The commandments written on the second set of tablets were the same as the first.

Deuteronomy 10
10 At that time the Lord said unto me, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first, and come up unto me into the mount, and make thee an ark of wood.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]And I (The Lord) will write on the tables the words that were in the first tables which thou brakest, and thou shalt put them in the ark.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]And I made an ark of shittim wood, and hewed two tables of stone like unto the first, and went up into the mount, having the two tables in mine hand.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the Lord spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the Lord gave them unto me.

I hope you can see the error in your teaching.

 

[Laodicea]

Exodus 34:1 - Now the LORD said to Moses, "Cut out for yourself two stone tablets like the former ones, and I will write on the tablets the words that were on the former tablets which you shattered.

If you actually sit down and write out the commandments in Exodus 20 and Exodus 34 (the first and second sets), the first couple commandments match, but then are no longer congruent. In essense, God said the words would be the same, and they are not. I ask why this is?

So do you think God is a liar? Do you think He did not write the same words?
Exodus 34:27-28 KJV
(27) And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.
(28) And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

The instructions God gave Moses in the previous verses He told Moses to write down while God wrote the 10 commandments on stone tablets. He wrote the same words that were on the previous stone tablets.

 

[Graybeard]

Me thinks terminator is a troll and is about to be Terminated.....he is attempting to do the old impossible....f**t against thunder....

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

exodus 34 does not list the ten commandments...the laws given in exodus 34 are just other mosaic laws...

interestingly deuteronomy 5 actually -does- give a different outline of the ten commandments from exodus 20...

 

[loveme1]

Exodus 34

34 And the Lord said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And be ready in the morning, and come up in the morning unto mount Sinai, and present thyself there to me in the top of the mount.

Moses had to take instruction to relay...

 

[loveme1]

Deuteronomy 5

5 And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]The Lord made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]The Lord talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,
[SUP]5 [/SUP](I stood between the Lord and you at that time, to shew you the word of the Lord: for ye were afraid by reason of the fire, and went not up into the mount saying,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]I am the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain: for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the Lord thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore theLord thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Honour thy father and thy mother, as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not kill.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Neither shalt thou commit adultery.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Neither shalt thou steal.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour's.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]These words the Lord spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And it came to pass, when ye heard the voice out of the midst of the darkness, (for the mountain did burn with fire,) that ye came near unto me, even all the heads of your tribes, and your elders;
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And ye said, Behold, the Lord our God hath shewed us his glory and his greatness, and we have heard his voice out of the midst of the fire: we have seen this day that God doth talk with man, and he liveth.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the Lord our God any more, then we shall die.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For who is there of all flesh, that hath heard the voice of the living God speaking out of the midst of the fire, as we have, and lived?
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Go thou near, and hear all that the Lord our God shall say: and speak thou unto us all that the Lord our God shall speak unto thee; and we will hear it, and do it.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And the Lord heard the voice of your words, when ye spake unto me; and the Lord said unto me, I have heard the voice of the words of this people, which they have spoken unto thee: they have well said all that they have spoken.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Go say to them, Get you into your tents again.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]But as for thee, stand thou here by me, and I will speak unto thee all the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which thou shalt teach them, that they may do them in the land which I give them to possess it.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Ye shall observe to do therefore as the Lord your God hath commanded you: ye shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]Ye shall walk in all the ways which the Lord your God hath commanded you, that ye may live, and that it may be well with you, and that ye may prolong your days in the land which ye shall possess.

Above is Moses relaying.

 

[loveme1]

Deuteronomy 5

[SUP]29 [/SUP]O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!

Found a little treasure from this thread

 

[PS]

Exodus 20:
1. No other Gods
2. No graven images, or worshipping them
3. No taking the Lord’s Name in Vain
4. Remember the Sabbath Day
5. Honor Thy Father and Thy Mother
6. Thou Shalt Not Kill
7. Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery
8. Thou Shalt Not Steal
9. Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness
10. Thou Shalt Not Covet

Exodus 34:14-28: (please take 34:10 into consideration. After God rewrote the commandments (34:1), He said I will make a covenant and that covenant was spelled out after verse 10)

1. Thou Shalt Worship God and Him Only
2. Thou Shalt Not Make Molten Gods
3. Thou Shalt Keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread
4. The first born or all things is mine.
5. Six Days Shall You work, but on the Seventh thou shalt rest
6. Thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, and three times a year your men children shall appear before the Lord.
7. Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven.
8. Neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the Passover be left unto the morning.
9. The first-fruits of thy land shall you bring unto the house of the Lord Thy God.
10. Thou shalt not boil a kid (baby goat) in his mother’s milk.

The first ten are applicable to all nations and the second are to Israel and the covenant.

 

[HEIsRiSen]

exodus 34 does not list the ten commandments...the laws given in exodus 34 are just other mosaic laws...

interestingly deuteronomy 5 actually -does- give a different outline of the ten commandments from exodus 20...

Wrong.

Take a look at Exodus 20:3-17 and then look at Deuteronomy 5:7-21 and they are nearly identical.

 

[cfultz3]

I guess you are right, we have 20 commandments. Guess He did not keep His word.

For the record:

What you thought was agreeing to you, and perhaps why you liked the post, in me saying "God did not keep His word" was not in agreement to you. But in all wit, was sarcastically said. I would never agree that God did not keep His word.

 

[terminator]

Have not yet heard an explanation for

Exodus 34:1 - Now the LORD said to Moses, "Cut out for yourself two stone tablets like the former ones, and I will write on the tablets the words that were on the former tablets which you shattered.

 

[terminator]

So do you think God is a liar? Do you think He did not write the same words?
Exodus 34:27-28 KJV
(27) And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.
(28) And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

The instructions God gave Moses in the previous verses He told Moses to write down while God wrote the 10 commandments on stone tablets. He wrote the same words that were on the previous stone tablets.

Exodus 34:1 - Now the LORD said to Moses, "Cut out for yourself two stone tablets like the former ones, and I will write on the tablets the words that were on the former tablets which you shattered.

Exodus 34:28 - And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

Exodus 20:

1. No other Gods
2. No graven images, or worshipping them
3. No taking the Lord’s Name in Vain
4. Remember the Sabbath Day
5. Honor Thy Father and Thy Mother
6. Thou Shalt Not Kill
7. Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery
8. Thou Shalt Not Steal
9. Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness
10. Thou Shalt Not Covet

Exodus 34:14-28:

1. Thou Shalt Worship God and Him Only
2. Thou Shalt Not Make Molten Gods
3. Thou Shalt Keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread
4. The first born or all things is mine.
5. Six Days Shall You work, but on the Seventh thou shalt rest
6. Thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, and three times a year your men children shall appear before the Lord.
7. Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven.
8. Neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the Passover be left unto the morning.
9. The first-fruits of thy land shall you bring unto the house of the Lord Thy God.
10. Thou shalt not boil a kid (baby goat) in his mother’s milk.

Clearly, they are not the same words!

 

[Ariel82]

very simple. God wrote the ten commandments on those tablets like outlined in Exodus 20 and Deut 5 at that time. He did not need to repeat the commandments in that chapter because the author referred back to the previous chapter.

However the rest of Ex. 34 were just a summary of more conditions to the covenant with Israel God made that Moses wrote down later and told the people. they are a repeat of some of the conditions God gives Moses before he went back down the first time to find the worshipping the golden calf. I already showed how some of them lined up with verses from Ex 20-23.

They are part of the Old covenant that was replaced by the New covenant mediated by Jesus' blood on the cross and when He ascended to Heaven.