3 Tactics Calvinists Use Against Non-Calvinists

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Going forward, this may help you understand the adversity you encounter. And why.

Hyper-Calvinism

The Hyper-Calvinist emphasizes the sovereignty of God to such an extent that man's human responsibility is denied. In actuality, Hyper-Calvinism is a rejection of historic Calvinist thought. Hyper-Calvinism denies that the gospel call applies to all; and/or denies that faith is the duty of every sinner; and/or denies the gospel offer to the non-elect; and/or denies that the offer of divine mercy is free and universal; and/or denies that there is such a thing as "common grace"; and/or denies that God has any sort of love for the non-elect. Calvinists do not agree with the Hyper-Calvinists.


This may also assist.

Ephesians 1
Theme
Paul summarizes his gospel of salvation by grace through faith alone and describes the nature and role of the church in God's eternal plan.
Overview
This book answers the question men and women have asked throughout all time: Why am I here? The answer has to do with eternity, making peace with God and understanding the believer’s new identity in Christ. The NIV Quest Study Bible says Paul wrote this letter to believers in Ephesus (a city in modern-day Turkey) to encourage them to think of themselves in a whole new way. He wanted them to think of themselves not as people who had once been involved in idol worship, illicit sex, and foolish philosophies, but as people in Christ—people with a radically new identity. The book offers practical ways to live in unity with God and others.


1 Peter 2
Theme
Peter gives instructions on holy living for those suffering persecution.
Overview
First Peter teaches that God can use difficulties to strengthen Christians and their witness. Knowing this can bring hope. The NIV Quest Study Bible encourages you to read 1 Peter to discover how faith, refined by suffering, can help you see the Lord more clearly. It gives valuable advice for holding firm in difficult times. The apostle Peter saw that increasing hardship and persecution had scattered believers, which spread their witness but caused some to wonder if God had abandoned them. Peter wrote to encourage them, offering them hope and meaning in the midst of their suffering.

"to such an extent that man's human responsibility is denied"

Absolutely incorrect. Man is FULLY RESPONSIBLE....for his sin.

What you fail to comprehend is that God is FULLY RESPONSIBLE for the salvation of the sinner, including the initiative of the divine CHOICE (aka ELECTION), the necessary sacrifice for the propitiation of sin, the gift of faith required of the believer, and the perseverance such that we endure to the end.

 

[cv5]

Actually, this could also mean that God chose us in Him, in the sense of determining in Christ these blessings before creation, not in the sense that God actually put us (the elect) in Him to be in these blessings before creation.

The real meat of the matter is Romans 9.... thats the best place to show forth the doctrine of election, since Arminian type people have explanations for all these texts aswell, yet in Romans 9 they gotta do some massive hoop jumping, to support there half righteous and half wicked theology.

Agree....Romans 9 seals the deal. But really the doctrine of Divine Choice is everywhere. If you care...or dare....to look.
But behind that is Divine Initiation. Without God's premeditated plan of Redemption there would be no Israel, no Christians, no benefactors of Gods Grace, only hell bound human trash to be shoveled into eternal hell with Satan and the demons.

 

[John146]

only hell bound human trash to be shoveled into eternal hell with Satan and the demons.

Here’s your real attitude of those who are so called non- elect. Aw, the pride of Calvinism.

 

[cv5]

Going forward, this may help you understand the adversity you encounter. And why.

Hyper-Calvinism

The Hyper-Calvinist emphasizes the sovereignty of God to such an extent that man's human responsibility is denied. In actuality, Hyper-Calvinism is a rejection of historic Calvinist thought. Hyper-Calvinism denies that the gospel call applies to all; and/or denies that faith is the duty of every sinner; and/or denies the gospel offer to the non-elect; and/or denies that the offer of divine mercy is free and universal; and/or denies that there is such a thing as "common grace"; and/or denies that God has any sort of love for the non-elect. Calvinists do not agree with the Hyper-Calvinists.


This may also assist.

Ephesians 1
Theme
Paul summarizes his gospel of salvation by grace through faith alone and describes the nature and role of the church in God's eternal plan.
Overview
This book answers the question men and women have asked throughout all time: Why am I here? The answer has to do with eternity, making peace with God and understanding the believer’s new identity in Christ. The NIV Quest Study Bible says Paul wrote this letter to believers in Ephesus (a city in modern-day Turkey) to encourage them to think of themselves in a whole new way. He wanted them to think of themselves not as people who had once been involved in idol worship, illicit sex, and foolish philosophies, but as people in Christ—people with a radically new identity. The book offers practical ways to live in unity with God and others.


1 Peter 2
Theme
Peter gives instructions on holy living for those suffering persecution.
Overview
First Peter teaches that God can use difficulties to strengthen Christians and their witness. Knowing this can bring hope. The NIV Quest Study Bible encourages you to read 1 Peter to discover how faith, refined by suffering, can help you see the Lord more clearly. It gives valuable advice for holding firm in difficult times. The apostle Peter saw that increasing hardship and persecution had scattered believers, which spread their witness but caused some to wonder if God had abandoned them. Peter wrote to encourage them, offering them hope and meaning in the midst of their suffering.

Eph 1:9

"having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself "

Eph 1:10

"that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ"

Wow. Looks like we have here the doctrine of Election and as a bonus, the concept of Dispensationalism. Both of which I agree to as fundamental precepts of theology.

 

[cv5]

Here’s your real attitude of those who are so called non- elect. Aw, the pride of Calvinism.

That is precisely what the scripture says. The unsaved are "weeds" to be "burned".
The saved are "wheat" to be "gathered".

“Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.”’”

You do err.....
BTW, you have no idea whatsoever of my "real attitude".

 

[John146]

Eph 1:9

"having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself "

Eph 1:10

"that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ"

Wow. Looks like we have here the doctrine of Election and as a bonus, the concept of Dispensationalism. Both of which I agree to as fundamental precepts of theology.

Yes, God’s salvation plan would come through Jesus Christ. Those who believe the gospel would be placed in Him, in Christ. Once in Christ, they are predestined to be conformed to Jesus Christ through the adoption which is the redemption of the body. The adoption is not salvation. The adoption is promised those who are already saved. That’s the future hope of the believer.

 

[John146]

You do err.....
BTW, you have no idea whatsoever of my "real attitude".

I apologize. I can only go by what you post.

 

[cv5]

Here’s your real attitude of those who are so called non- elect. Aw, the pride of Calvinism.

Alternatively garbage to be thrown in the dump (Gehenna).

“You serpents, you brood of vipers, how will you escape the sentence of hell?

Jesus' words and description not mine.

 

[cv5]

Yes, God’s salvation plan would come through Jesus Christ. Those who believe the gospel would be placed in Him, in Christ. Once in Christ, they are predestined to be conformed to Jesus Christ through the adoption which is the redemption of the body. The adoption is not salvation. The adoption is promised those who are already saved. That’s the future hope of the believer.

Parsing and itemizing is fruitless. It is all one tidy package.

"Once in Christ, they are predestined to be conformed to Jesus Christ"

After being Chosen by God of course. Long before you or I were ever born.
Scripture is so clear on this point any deviation is heretical IMO.

 

[cv5]

Your rant is nothing less than adolescent misbegotten rubbish, fraught with terrifying implications.

The question being begged is: who else is qualified to choose the elect?
Answer: nobody else but God Himself. Not fallen depraved men, not misguided theologians, not you and not me.

And He did. Yes indeed He did.

BTW...the apostles were under the impression that they chose Christ. Christ of course corrected their error....all duly recorded for all of us to consider.

John 15:16
"You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you."

Doesn't get any clearer than that. Yet the persistent fog of delusion remains.

I have a simple question for the board:

In reference to John 15:16, when exactly did Jesus execute the choosing of His Apostles?
Was it at the river Jordan? When he saw Matthew at the crossroad? When he saw Nathaniel under the tree? After His prayer to the Father on a mountain Luke 6:12-19?

Or before the foundation of the world, before any of them were born?

 

[Sipsey]

I have a simple question for the board:

In reference to John 15:16, when exactly did Jesus execute the choosing of His Apostles?
Was it at the river Jordan? When he saw Matthew at the crossroad? When he saw Nathaniel under the tree? After His prayer to the Father on a mountain Luke 6:12-19?

Or before the foundation of the world, before any of them were born?

The when may be your question, but the heart of the matter is, why?

 

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Matt 22:14

“For many are called, but few are chosen.”

chosen (eklektoi) Strong's Greek 1588 23 occurrences

https://biblehub.com/greek/eklektoi_1588.htm

So let me pose a couple of questions to the board:

Who is doing the choosing? When did this choice occur?

 

[cv5]

The when may be your question, but the heart of the matter is, why?

Anyone care to answer the question? Please respond with your idea of a time frame bearing in mind the Scriptures.

 

[cv5]

OK. Well according to generally accepted court proceedings, I guess my proposals win by default.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

"to such an extent that man's human responsibility is denied"

Absolutely incorrect. Man is FULLY RESPONSIBLE....for his sin.

What you fail to comprehend is that God is FULLY RESPONSIBLE for the salvation of the sinner, including the initiative of the divine CHOICE (aka ELECTION), the necessary sacrifice for the propitiation of sin, the gift of faith required of the believer, and the perseverance such that we endure to the end.

alas

we know not this puppet master god you rely on

reminds me of the joke where a caveman hits a woman over the head with a club when he takes a fancy to her

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Agree....Romans 9 seals the deal. But really the doctrine of Divine Choice is everywhere. If you care...or dare....to look.
But behind that is Divine Initiation. Without God's premeditated plan of Redemption there would be no Israel, no Christians, no benefactors of Gods Grace, only hell bound human trash to be shoveled into eternal hell with Satan and the demons.

human trash

if this is the speech of the chosen, one wonders where the love went

but then this god, the god of Calvin, has no use for love

he is all about creating human trash for the devil to roast

you can't make this unbiblical trash up, but very thoughtful of certain Calvinists to determine we need to understand that God, as we know Him, has undergone a radical change in the fringe worship of TULIP adherents everywhere

thankfully, this god is not the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob

this is Calvin's little deity that he patterned after his own personality

 

[Nehemiah6]

Or before the foundation of the world, before any of them were born?

God chose His prophets and apostles before they were born (and this applies to the apostle Paul also). And since God knows the end from the beginning, He made those choices from before the foundation of the world.

Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations (Jer 1:5)

However, we cannot take this truth and extend it to salvation, for the simple reasons that (1) Christ died for the sins of the whole world and (2) God offers salvation to anyone and everyone -- "whosoever" will take of the Water of Life freely. Therefore He did NOT predestine some for salvation and others for damnation.

 

[TooFastTurtle]

this is Calvin's little deity that he patterned after his own personality

You know the saying: Men created God in their own image.

That often is the case, sadly. Instead of taking the Scriptures and letting them mold our image of God, we have our own image and try to make the Bible conform to that image.

This is why you often times see certain type of people drawn to certain teachings.

 

[Whispered]

Agree....Romans 9 seals the deal. But really the doctrine of Divine Choice is everywhere. If you care...or dare....to look.
But behind that is Divine Initiation. Without God's premeditated plan of Redemption there would be no Israel, no Christians, no benefactors of Gods Grace, only hell bound human trash to be shoveled into eternal hell with Satan and the demons.

The fruit you display here referring to God's creation , any part thereof, as human trash, demonstrates the truth of the five points of TULIP.
Totally Depravity. Calling anyone trash is not a sign of being filled with Holy Spirit God, nor having been reborn from the dead fallen state of sin.
There is another here that reflects that same fault and they feed on stirring controversy. The most evil wicked vicious words come out of their mind and are pressed onto the keyboard so as to speak irrevocably to all the world wide web their true spirit; hate, contempt, mockery, ridicule, and evil that seeks to seed evil in return.
When one is not a shining example of grace, they are a glaring warning of damnation in their sins.

Find Christ! It shall make you a better person than the ones that proudly cast rotted fruit before the eyes of the Christians here.

 

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alas

we know not this puppet master god you rely on

reminds me of the joke where a caveman hits a woman over the head with a club when he takes a fancy to her

This is no joke my friend. Far from it. About as far as you can get.