King James Bible vs. Modern Translations (Honoring The Deity of Jesus Christ)
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Ok, Arwen I agree it's hard to see if you don't read the KJV. I read the KJV and I understand the symbolism God uses in it.
Have you never the noticed that the entire bible is about contrasts? Light - dark, good - evil, heaven - hell, Christ - Antichrist. It's a theme that runs throughout the bible. Likewise, there are only 2 vines in the bible - the vine of Christ and the vine of Sodom. The vine of Christ is the pure inerrant word of God, the vine of Sodom is anything other than the pure inerrant word of God.... it is the poison of dragons (Satan). The newer translations don't line up with the KJV on many many points - if two disagree then they are not from the same vine. One is the vine of Christ and the other is the vine of Sodom.
Deu 32:31 For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges.
Deu 32:32 For their vine is of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes are grapes of gall, their clusters are bitter:
Deu 32:33 Their wine is the poison of dragons, and the cruel venom of asps.
Have you never the noticed that the entire bible is about contrasts? Light - dark, good - evil, heaven - hell, Christ - Antichrist. It's a theme that runs throughout the bible. Likewise, there are only 2 vines in the bible - the vine of Christ and the vine of Sodom. The vine of Christ is the pure inerrant word of God, the vine of Sodom is anything other than the pure inerrant word of God.... it is the poison of dragons (Satan). The newer translations don't line up with the KJV on many many points - if two disagree then they are not from the same vine. One is the vine of Christ and the other is the vine of Sodom.
Deu 32:31 For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges.
Deu 32:32 For their vine is of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes are grapes of gall, their clusters are bitter:
Deu 32:33 Their wine is the poison of dragons, and the cruel venom of asps.
I rather delight in translation of fleshy understanding than find that which abounds scriptures. For I lack in the spirit I will be close to God by claiming administration of his word to the world. I must have insight into God's world because I rightfully above his people translate his word. Give everyone who labors in scripture a break! Kjv or not. I do not understand why people just can't read the bible ...period.
It's not quite eisogesis--the true roots of KJV-onlyism is Seventh-Day Adventism back in 1930--not trinitarian Christianity.
-> "Roots" of the KJV Controversy
"In the realm of King-James-Version-Onlyism, just such a genealogy of error can be easily traced. All writers who embrace the KJV-only position have derived their views ultimately from Seventh-day Adventist missionary, theology professor and college president, Benjamin G. Wilkinson (d.1968), through one of two or three of his spiritual descendants. In 1930, he wrote Our Authorized Bible Vindicated, a book of several hundred pages which attracted almost no attention in its day (no doubt chiefly because it was awash in a vast ocean of error). In that book, Wilkinson attacked the Westcott-Hort Greek text, in large measure by attacking Westcott and Hort personally (the common but fallacious ad hominem method; I exposed and refuted his line of argument in "Erasmus and His Theology," The Biblical Evangelist, vol. 19, no. 20, October 15, 1985, pp. 3, 4). He also expressed strong opposition to the English Revised Version New Testament (1881), in particular objecting to it because it robbed Adventism of two favorite proof-texts, one allegedly teaching Gentile Sabbath-keeping (Acts 13:42 ), the other misused by the Adventists to teach soul sleep (Hebrews 9:27)."
So let's look at the verses that are so offensive to the Adventists, using the 1881 ERV.
"allegedly teaching Gentile Sabbath-keeping"
Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath. (KJV PCE)
Acts 13:42 And as they went out, they besought that these words might be spoken to them the next sabbath. (ERV)
"misused ... to teach soul sleep": "as" vs. "inasmuch as"
Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: (KJV PCE)
Heb 9:27 And inasmuch as it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this [cometh] judgment; (ERV)
-> "Roots" of the KJV Controversy
"In the realm of King-James-Version-Onlyism, just such a genealogy of error can be easily traced. All writers who embrace the KJV-only position have derived their views ultimately from Seventh-day Adventist missionary, theology professor and college president, Benjamin G. Wilkinson (d.1968), through one of two or three of his spiritual descendants. In 1930, he wrote Our Authorized Bible Vindicated, a book of several hundred pages which attracted almost no attention in its day (no doubt chiefly because it was awash in a vast ocean of error). In that book, Wilkinson attacked the Westcott-Hort Greek text, in large measure by attacking Westcott and Hort personally (the common but fallacious ad hominem method; I exposed and refuted his line of argument in "Erasmus and His Theology," The Biblical Evangelist, vol. 19, no. 20, October 15, 1985, pp. 3, 4). He also expressed strong opposition to the English Revised Version New Testament (1881), in particular objecting to it because it robbed Adventism of two favorite proof-texts, one allegedly teaching Gentile Sabbath-keeping (Acts 13:42 ), the other misused by the Adventists to teach soul sleep (Hebrews 9:27)."
So let's look at the verses that are so offensive to the Adventists, using the 1881 ERV.
"allegedly teaching Gentile Sabbath-keeping"
Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath. (KJV PCE)
Acts 13:42 And as they went out, they besought that these words might be spoken to them the next sabbath. (ERV)
"misused ... to teach soul sleep": "as" vs. "inasmuch as"
Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: (KJV PCE)
Heb 9:27 And inasmuch as it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this [cometh] judgment; (ERV)
While there are places in the modern translations where the Deity of Jesus Christ can be seen, there also places in the modern translations where the Deity of the Lord Jesus Christ is attacked and diminished.
In the King James Bible, which is God's true word, the Deity of Jesus Christ is honoured and exalted.
Now in regard to your comment regarding the NASB, the NASB says that God was deceived in psalm 78:36. Did you know that? Look it up.
And here is a great video where one of the Co-founders of the NASB, Frank Logsdon openly renounced all attachment to the NASB and the other modern translations and from that point on in his life, he stood strongly for the King James Holy Bible. Check it out, it is a great video:
Frank Logsdon From the NASV to KJV
[video=youtube;wZBeIr1wKGY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZBeIr1wKGY[/video]
S. Franklin Logsdon (1907-1987) was a respected evangelical pastor and popular Bible conference speaker. He pastored Moody Memorial Church in Chicago (from 1950 to 1952). Prior to that he pastored Central Baptist Church in London, Ontario (from 1942-50). He also pastored churches in Holland, Michigan (Immanuel Baptist from 1952-57), and Eerie, Pennsylvania. He taught at London Bible Institute in Ontario, Canada. He preached at Bible conferences (such as Moody Founder's Week) with well-known evangelists and pastors such as Billy Graham and Paul Smith of People's Church in Toronto.
In the 1950s Logsdon was invited by his businessman friend Franklin Dewey Lockman to prepare a feasibility study which led to the production of the New American Standard Version (NASV). He also helped interview some of the men who served as translators for this version. He wrote the Foreword which appears in the NASV.
As we see in the following testimony, in the later years of his life Logsdon publicly renounced his association with the modern versions and stood unhesitatingly for the King James Bible. In a letter dated June 9, 1977, Logsdon wrote to Cecil Carter of Prince George, British Columbia, "When questions began to reach me [pertaining to the NASV], at first I was quite offended. However, in attempting to answer, I began to sense that something was not right about the NASV. Upon investigation, I wrote my very dear friend, Mr. Lockman, explaining that I was forced to renounce all attachment to the NASV. ... I can aver that the project was produced by thoroughly sincere men who had the best of intentions. The product, however, is grievous to my heart and helps to complicate matters in these already troublous times."
Logsdon moved to Largo, Florida, in his senior years and died there August 13, 1987.
From the NASV to the KJV by Frank Logsdon
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Honeslty, KJV onlyism comes from the complete trust in every word of the bible. When we read verses like the one below, we believe it. We believe that it is not possible for God's word to corrupt.
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
On the other side of the table we have the group that does believe the word of God has corrupted.
They believe that God either wasn't powerful enough, or didn't feel it was necessary for us to have his inerrant word today.
They believe the word of God is spread out over all the different translations, and they have to go out to all the different translations and piece God's inerrant uncorruptible word back together.
What they don't realize is that this is the religion of Freemasons... Freemasons are trying to find the missing pieces of Osiris so they can put him back together again. They also don't realize that the doctrine of corruption of the bible doesn't come from the bible, it comes from Freemasons.
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
On the other side of the table we have the group that does believe the word of God has corrupted.
They believe that God either wasn't powerful enough, or didn't feel it was necessary for us to have his inerrant word today.
They believe the word of God is spread out over all the different translations, and they have to go out to all the different translations and piece God's inerrant uncorruptible word back together.
What they don't realize is that this is the religion of Freemasons... Freemasons are trying to find the missing pieces of Osiris so they can put him back together again. They also don't realize that the doctrine of corruption of the bible doesn't come from the bible, it comes from Freemasons.
Freemasons?
As I pointed out above the roots of KJV-onlyism are Seventh-Day Adventism. Here is the original Adventist KJV-onlyist text in full (for free!
) just for you KJV1611:
-> http://www.present-truth.org/6-Library/Authorized Bible-all.pdf
As I pointed out above the roots of KJV-onlyism are Seventh-Day Adventism. Here is the original Adventist KJV-onlyist text in full (for free!
) just for you KJV1611:-> http://www.present-truth.org/6-Library/Authorized Bible-all.pdf
Arwen, I also strongly disagree with you here. I want to share with you another good article written by a brother in the Lord who has studied this issue for quite a while now. And in this article he shows the fickle nature of the modern versions and the so called "science of textual criticism." These so called "scholars" and translators that are behind these modern translations such as the NASB, NIV, ESV, NLT, etc. are very dishonest and deceptive. How can you tell? Simple, you can tell by the deceiving, dishonest, misleading, and inaccurate footnotes that they put down and place at the bottom in these modern versions (NASB, NIV, ESV, NLT, NEB, etc.).
Now here is the link to the article that brother Will Kinney wrote exposing the NASB and the other modern versions as well as the dishonest "$cholar$hip" behind them.
Luke 24 and the "science" of textual criticism in action
Luke 24 "science" textcr - Another King James Bible Believer
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MY TURN to do the Comparison using my three favorite modern Translations, and they all three Capitalize the pronouns that refer to DEITY, while the KJV does NOT. Now which do you think is more respectful of DEITY?
Oh, just so you know, the newer translations had access to older manuscripts found after the KJV to translate from. It is not a translation if you just go from the KJV to modern English, that would only be a paraphrase. A VALID Translation must always be TRANSLATED from original language manuscripts, OR it cannot be called a TRANSLATION The newer Translations had some older manuscripts than the KJV Translators had available to them, thus the older original language manuscripts were used. THERE IS NO "A subtle attack on the deity of Jesus Christ." Could it be that the KJV had an old manuscript that was slightly embellished to make it more understandable? NO ONE KNOWS, BECAUSE we do not have the actual original manuscripts to compare them to.
The Translation that you should use is the one that best speaks to your Heart. And if for you that is the KJV, "Praise the Lord, Hallelujah!" And if anyone else prefers another valid TRANSLATION, like I do, then "Praise the Lord Hallelujah!", for them. Would you not agree that KJV ONLY Zelots are falling for a form bigotry against other VALID Translations? The Bibles I prefer are: "The New King James Version, The New American Standard Bible, and Holman's Christian Standard Bible:
1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
1 Timothy 3:16 (NKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.
1 Timothy 3:16 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory.
1 Timothy 3:16 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And most certainly, the mystery of godliness is great: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.
Ephesians 3:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
Ephesians 3:9 (NKJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ;
Ephesians 3:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] and to bring to light what is the administration of the mystery which for ages has been hidden in God who created all things;
Ephesians 3:9 (HCSB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] and to shed light for all about the administration of the mystery hidden for ages in God who created all things.
Colossians 1:16-18 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
[SUP]17 [/SUP] And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. {NOTICE, THERE IS NOT ONE Capitol letter on a Pronoun referring to DEITY in the KJV.}
Colossians 1:16-18 (NKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.
Colossians 1:16-18 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.
Colossians 1:16-18 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For everything was created by Him, in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities— all things have been created through Him and for Him.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] He is before all things, and by Him all things hold together.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] He is also the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He might come to have first place in everything.
Micah 5:2 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
Micah 5:2 (NKJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Though you are little among the thousands of Judah, Yet out of you shall come forth to Me The One to be Ruler in Israel, Whose goings forth are from of old, From everlasting."
Micah 5:2 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] "But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Too little to be among the clans of Judah, From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel. His goings forth are from long ago, From the days of eternity."
Micah 5:2 (HCSB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Bethlehem Ephrathah, you are small among the clans of Judah; One will come from you to be ruler over Israel for Me. His origin is from antiquity, from eternity.
Matthew 20:20 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Then came to him the mother of Zebedee's children with her sons, worshipping him, and desiring a certain thing of him.
Matthew 20:20 (NKJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Then the mother of Zebedee's sons came to Him with her sons, kneeling downand asking something from Him.
Matthew 20:20 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Then the mother of the sons of Zebedee came to Jesus with her sons, bowing down and making a request of Him.
Matthew 20:20 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Then the mother of Zebedee’s sons approached Him with her sons. She knelt downto ask Him for something.
NOW do you even know why all of those are saying the EXACT SAME THING?
Exodus 20:5 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] You must not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the fathers’ sin, to the third and fourth ⌊generations⌋ of those who hate Me,
Isaiah 45:22-23 (ASV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is none else.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] By myself have I sworn, the word is gone forth from my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Romans 14:9-13 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] For it is written, "AS I LIVE, SAYS THE LORD, EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW TO ME, AND EVERY TONGUE SHALL GIVE PRAISE TO GOD."
[SUP]12 [/SUP] So then each one of us will give an account of himself to God.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this—not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother's way.
2 Corinthians 5:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
See it, we can USE verses that reference kneeling and or bowing to Jesus, to validate that they were recognizing HE is GOD in the flesh who is WORTHY of worship. Bowing and kneeling to HIM most certainly constitutes a form of worship. But who and what must be there in the heart before it really counts as Worship? Right, the HOLY SPIRIT, Who brings into that heart GOD's free gift of Faith in JESUS CHRIST as LORD. Without that, it would not be any more meaningful than THESE who also bowed before HIM.
Mark 5:6-9 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.
Mark 5:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Seeing Jesus from a distance, he ran up and bowed down before Him;
Mark 5:6 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] When he saw Jesus from a distance, he ran and knelt down before Him.
Every KNEE SHALL BOW, validates HE IS GOD in the Flesh.
MY TURN to do the Comparison using my three favorite modern Translations, and they all three Capitalize the pronouns that refer to DEITY, while the KJV does NOT. Now which do you think is more respectful of DEITY?
Oh, just so you know, the newer translations had access to older manuscripts found after the KJV to translate from. It is not a translation if you just go from the KJV to modern English, that would only be a paraphrase. A VALID Translation must always be TRANSLATED from original language manuscripts, OR it cannot be called a TRANSLATION The newer Translations had some older manuscripts than the KJV Translators had available to them, thus the older original language manuscripts were used. THERE IS NO "A subtle attack on the deity of Jesus Christ." Could it be that the KJV had an old manuscript that was slightly embellished to make it more understandable? NO ONE KNOWS, BECAUSE we do not have the actual original manuscripts to compare them to.
The Translation that you should use is the one that best speaks to your Heart. And if for you that is the KJV, "Praise the Lord, Hallelujah!" And if anyone else prefers another valid TRANSLATION, like I do, then "Praise the Lord Hallelujah!", for them. Would you not agree that KJV ONLY Zelots are falling for a form bigotry against other VALID Translations? The Bibles I prefer are: "The New King James Version, The New American Standard Bible, and Holman's Christian Standard Bible:
1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
1 Timothy 3:16 (NKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.
1 Timothy 3:16 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory.
1 Timothy 3:16 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And most certainly, the mystery of godliness is great: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.
Ephesians 3:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
Ephesians 3:9 (NKJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ;
Ephesians 3:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] and to bring to light what is the administration of the mystery which for ages has been hidden in God who created all things;
Ephesians 3:9 (HCSB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] and to shed light for all about the administration of the mystery hidden for ages in God who created all things.
Colossians 1:16-18 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
[SUP]17 [/SUP] And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. {NOTICE, THERE IS NOT ONE Capitol letter on a Pronoun referring to DEITY in the KJV.}
Colossians 1:16-18 (NKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.
Colossians 1:16-18 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.
Colossians 1:16-18 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For everything was created by Him, in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities— all things have been created through Him and for Him.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] He is before all things, and by Him all things hold together.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] He is also the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He might come to have first place in everything.
Micah 5:2 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
Micah 5:2 (NKJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Though you are little among the thousands of Judah, Yet out of you shall come forth to Me The One to be Ruler in Israel, Whose goings forth are from of old, From everlasting."
Micah 5:2 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] "But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Too little to be among the clans of Judah, From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel. His goings forth are from long ago, From the days of eternity."
Micah 5:2 (HCSB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Bethlehem Ephrathah, you are small among the clans of Judah; One will come from you to be ruler over Israel for Me. His origin is from antiquity, from eternity.
Matthew 20:20 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Then came to him the mother of Zebedee's children with her sons, worshipping him, and desiring a certain thing of him.
Matthew 20:20 (NKJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Then the mother of Zebedee's sons came to Him with her sons, kneeling downand asking something from Him.
Matthew 20:20 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Then the mother of the sons of Zebedee came to Jesus with her sons, bowing down and making a request of Him.
Matthew 20:20 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Then the mother of Zebedee’s sons approached Him with her sons. She knelt downto ask Him for something.
NOW do you even know why all of those are saying the EXACT SAME THING?
Exodus 20:5 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] You must not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the fathers’ sin, to the third and fourth ⌊generations⌋ of those who hate Me,
Isaiah 45:22-23 (ASV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is none else.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] By myself have I sworn, the word is gone forth from my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Romans 14:9-13 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] For it is written, "AS I LIVE, SAYS THE LORD, EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW TO ME, AND EVERY TONGUE SHALL GIVE PRAISE TO GOD."
[SUP]12 [/SUP] So then each one of us will give an account of himself to God.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this—not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother's way.
2 Corinthians 5:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
See it, we can USE verses that reference kneeling and or bowing to Jesus, to validate that they were recognizing HE is GOD in the flesh who is WORTHY of worship. Bowing and kneeling to HIM most certainly constitutes a form of worship. But who and what must be there in the heart before it really counts as Worship? Right, the HOLY SPIRIT, Who brings into that heart GOD's free gift of Faith in JESUS CHRIST as LORD. Without that, it would not be any more meaningful than THESE who also bowed before HIM.
Mark 5:6-9 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.
Mark 5:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Seeing Jesus from a distance, he ran up and bowed down before Him;
Mark 5:6 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] When he saw Jesus from a distance, he ran and knelt down before Him.
Every KNEE SHALL BOW, validates HE IS GOD in the Flesh.
It is never going to happen until the Antichrist comes to power, and then the Peace will ONLY last 3.5 years. And then he starts WWIII, and starts to behead everyone that will not worship him as God. Every word or Prophecy will be fulled in the end. You don't think there will be a WWIII? Think again:
Matthew 24:6-13 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] You are going to hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not alarmed, because these things must take place, but the end is not yet.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For nation will rise up against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] All these events are the beginning of birth pains.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] “Then they will hand you over for persecution, and they will kill you. You will be hated by all nations because of My name.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Then many will take offense, betray one another and hate one another.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Many false prophets will rise up and deceive many.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Because lawlessness will multiply, the love of many will grow cold.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] But the one who endures to the end will be delivered.
Jeremiah 51:60-62 (KJV)
[SUP]60 [/SUP] So Jeremiah wrote in a book all the evil that should come upon Babylon, even all these words that are written against Babylon.
[SUP]61 [/SUP] And Jeremiah said to Seraiah, When thou comest to Babylon, and shalt see, and shalt read all these words;
[SUP]62 [/SUP] Then shalt thou say, O LORD, thou hast spoken against this place, to cut it off, that none shall remain in it, neither man nor beast, but that it shall be desolate for ever.
That is a prophecy against IRAQ, and what kind of war will insure that even the animals do not return to that desert Country?
Generations before us, could not even phathom it; but we sure can. The Post WWIII Radiation from Nukes.
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In case you think that prophecy was fulfilled a long time ago, Sadaam's summer palace was just across the road from the ancient city of Babylon, that he was restoring: File:US Navy 030529-N-5362A-001 A U.S. Marine Corps Humvee vehicle drives down a road at the foot of Saddam Hussein's former Summer palace with ruins of ancient Babylon in the background.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Iraq struggling to save old treasures amid rush for new ones
So HOW MUCH CLOSER TO THE END do you figure we are?
Never before Satellite TV could these verses about the Two Witnesses be fulfilled . . . . . . LIVE on CNN:
Revelation 11:8-10 (NIV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city, which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For three and a half days men from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth.
You said: "How many generations have thought the end was nigh?"
ALSO, you just gave me one of the biggest reasons to believe it could be VERY SOON:
2 Peter 3:3-4 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] First, be aware of this: Scoffers will come in the last days to scoff, living according to their own desires,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? Ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they have been since the beginning of creation.”
I posted this a couple days ago on another thread, but it is appropriate to post it again here, in reply to your post.
TECHNOLOGY NEEDED TO FULFILL THE MARK OF THE BEAST
No 666 is not a symbol, it is only a number that identifies a man, IT SAYS SO, read it again.
In other words it is similar to our Social Security numbers. Only this one will be three groups of 6 digits. Henry Kissenger invented such a EMERGENCY plan in the late 90s, in case the perceived Y2K world wide banking crash actually happened. Since it is the computer age, it probably will be a number imbedded in a very small microchip or biochip as they want to call those designed for humans. They are already testing the (RFID) Radio Frequency Identification Devices in humans in Florida. In particular, for Seniors with Alzheimer's to store their health records on. Instead of the chip that was about twice the size of a grain of rice, like the one in my dog's neck; they have now shrunk the RFID down to not a whole lot bigger than a grain of salt. I posted the following on another site a couple years ago, so the technology is even more advanced now. I added two links at the bottom very recently, in fact that second to the bottom link was dated 20 Nov. 2013 and has a picture of the world's fastest super computer, which doubled the size and speed of the previous record holder. Those two links show that the world really does computers big enough and fast enough acomodate all the worlds bank accounts, and the fact that RFID readers are already starting to show up in stores, should make us sit up and take notice that the stage is set and the time could be very near.
WHAT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST
The most likely thing the Mark of the Beast could be is a biochip implant, because of the Biblical statement that one will not be able to buy or sell anything without it. They currently have built into them up to a 15 digit ID numbering system. It will not surprise me, (if the Church is still here), when the Antichrist comes to power as the Head of State of the old Roman Empire; that he averts a world wide economic collapse by converting all of the worlds monitary systems and bank accounts to function like credit cards in the form of these implanted biochips. AND watch him add a number to all three hyphenated groups of numbers stored in those Biochip IDs, such as: 123456-123456-123456. Hence his number will be 666 (6 digits dash 6 digits dash 6 digits). Also some of the Techs working on these super computers that they believe we are going to need in the near future, have jokingly referred to their super computers as the "beast"; but I am not laughing.
HERE IS THE RFID MICROCHIP TV ADVERT 100% PROOF IT IS HERE - YouTube
IBM RFID Commercial - The Future Market - YouTube
Hitachi Releases 2.5mm C1G2 Durable RFID Tag - YouTube
Under Your Skin The War against Freedom – Human Biochip Implant
Microchip Implants
Bio-chip implant arrives for cashless transactions
Tianhe-2 Tops Supercomputer List > ENGINEERING.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GovcXrEVCc
No 666 is not a symbol, it is only a number that identifies a man, IT SAYS SO, read it again.
In other words it is similar to our Social Security numbers. Only this one will be three groups of 6 digits. Henry Kissenger invented such a EMERGENCY plan in the late 90s, in case the perceived Y2K world wide banking crash actually happened. Since it is the computer age, it probably will be a number imbedded in a very small microchip or biochip as they want to call those designed for humans. They are already testing the (RFID) Radio Frequency Identification Devices in humans in Florida. In particular, for Seniors with Alzheimer's to store their health records on. Instead of the chip that was about twice the size of a grain of rice, like the one in my dog's neck; they have now shrunk the RFID down to not a whole lot bigger than a grain of salt. I posted the following on another site a couple years ago, so the technology is even more advanced now. I added two links at the bottom very recently, in fact that second to the bottom link was dated 20 Nov. 2013 and has a picture of the world's fastest super computer, which doubled the size and speed of the previous record holder. Those two links show that the world really does computers big enough and fast enough acomodate all the worlds bank accounts, and the fact that RFID readers are already starting to show up in stores, should make us sit up and take notice that the stage is set and the time could be very near.
WHAT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST
The most likely thing the Mark of the Beast could be is a biochip implant, because of the Biblical statement that one will not be able to buy or sell anything without it. They currently have built into them up to a 15 digit ID numbering system. It will not surprise me, (if the Church is still here), when the Antichrist comes to power as the Head of State of the old Roman Empire; that he averts a world wide economic collapse by converting all of the worlds monitary systems and bank accounts to function like credit cards in the form of these implanted biochips. AND watch him add a number to all three hyphenated groups of numbers stored in those Biochip IDs, such as: 123456-123456-123456. Hence his number will be 666 (6 digits dash 6 digits dash 6 digits). Also some of the Techs working on these super computers that they believe we are going to need in the near future, have jokingly referred to their super computers as the "beast"; but I am not laughing.
HERE IS THE RFID MICROCHIP TV ADVERT 100% PROOF IT IS HERE - YouTube
IBM RFID Commercial - The Future Market - YouTube
Hitachi Releases 2.5mm C1G2 Durable RFID Tag - YouTube
Under Your Skin The War against Freedom – Human Biochip Implant
Microchip Implants
Bio-chip implant arrives for cashless transactions
Tianhe-2 Tops Supercomputer List > ENGINEERING.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GovcXrEVCc
Paranoid much? The Bible has plenty of contradictions, falsehoods and out right lies. It also has very many seemingly intelligent things to say. Many would argue the NT has plenty of parts that imply the end would be right after or shortly after Jesus left.
Why did Jesus say love thy enemy when he plans on torturing his in hell for all eternity?
"Let men men see your good works in public" then say do thine alms in secret?
A talking snake but all animals are for our benefit. Wouldn't a talking snake imply it had a soul?
Why did Jesus say love thy enemy when he plans on torturing his in hell for all eternity?
"Let men men see your good works in public" then say do thine alms in secret?
A talking snake but all animals are for our benefit. Wouldn't a talking snake imply it had a soul?