50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

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Lets get this straight, the 3rd Temple that will be constructed has been prepared for over a hundred years now. It has been known for thousands of years that a 3rd Beit HaMikdash will be built, of course!

The claims of Moshiach sitting in the third Temple are partially correct as you must actually read Torah to understand this. I see many love to quote the scriptures here to build themselves up, (Jesus warned about this) or perhaps to see your thoughts posted on a page for others to read gives you great pleasure.

some of you claim to have solved some sort of mystery where the antichrist is a Jew and the Temple is rebuilt.

is there anything else you would like to add to you theories?
 
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Truth7t7 said:
There wont be a future Millennial Kingdom on this earth, as you have been shown "Several Times" Jesus Christ returns immediately after the tribulation in fire and Final judgement, the heavens and earth are "Dissolved" by this fire (The End)

Your teaching that Jesus returns to this earth, taking a throne of David, as this "False Christ" sits watching as a Jewish priesthood in a Millennial temple is sacrificing animals for sin?

Bingo, you have your Antichrist/Man Of Sin, as all lines of a tribulation will be forgotten,as the world is deceived by false miracles, in believing its God Messiah returned to earth

God will send a strong delusion, that the world will believe the (Lie) and teaching Jesus Christ will return to Jerusalem and take a throne of David, watching animal sacrifice for sin, is part of this delusion and (Lie)

2 Thessalonians 2:3-12KJV
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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Bingo.
 
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cv5 said:
445 BC to 70AD does not equal 490 years. So you are definitely wrong there.

However 69 weeks of years aka 173,880 days DOES equate to the precise date of the Triumphal entry.

Do you understand and believe in the 7 year tribulation of the book of Revelation? Because in fact that IS the 70th week of Daniel there is absolutely no doubt about it whatsoever.
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483 years from 444 BC to AD 33 with a gregorain calendar, final week ended AD 70 or shortly thereafter,
 
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Jesus also stated that this generation referring to the Israelites of His time would see YOM YHWH before the generation was over, which they did less than 40 years later (37) when Titus showed up and over a million people were killed.
 
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cv5 said:
445 BC to 70AD does not equal 490 years. So you are definitely wrong there.

However 69 weeks of years aka 173,880 days DOES equate to the precise date of the Triumphal entry.

Do you understand and believe in the 7 year tribulation of the book of Revelation? Because in fact that IS the 70th week of Daniel there is absolutely no doubt about it whatsoever.
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There is no such thing as a 7 year tribulation taught in the book of Revelation, your claim is false again

The 1260 days of the Two Witnesses and 42 months of The Beast is exactly the same time frame of 3.5 years, and the Two Witnesses will be present on earth as the second woe happens the same hour they ascend, as the 3rd woe comes quickly in the 7th Trump (End Of This World)
 
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DJZawada said:
483 years from 444 BC to AD 33 with a gregorain calendar, final week ended AD 70 or shortly thereafter,
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Sounds like the ole Preterist 70AD fulfillment :giggle:

Who was you Antichrist in fulfillment in 70AD, Titus?
 
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As believers in HaMashiach we have listened to many men and women preaching from the pulpit that the 70 weeks as given to Navi Yirmeyahu, the prophet Jeremiah, and Daniel through the angel Gabriel, that the prophecy relates to Christianity.

The 70 weeks absolutely have nothing to do with Christians, or the elect – nothing whatsoever.

The prophecy of Daniel 9:24 relates ONLY:
  1. for Israel; NOT the Saints, or Christians, or secular world.
  2. for the holy city Jerusalem.
Anyone who adds End Times philosophy in here is doing so by their own imagination – anything added, like light sabers, is imagination or blatant theory.
 
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Christian doctrine, led by a few men in history, go on to teach that Gabriels 70 weeks stop at the 69th week, for several thousand years, and that we are still waiting for the 70th week!

This of course is beyond speculative to that of absolute fantasy imagination. Yet if you look at the majority of websites who claim to be some kind of authority out there, or bestseller books ranging back since the 1960’s, you will always see something to the tune of,

“Now, the prophecy seems to stop… there is a gap in the prophecy between the 69th and 70th week… which has not yet occurred.”

The majority of Christian writers echo this fantasy.

Worse, this line of thinking has made Christianity ridiculous to the public and very confused for those who would actually believe upon Christ. Instead they are overwhelmed with rapture theory birthed out of these vain imaginations and TV shows of which the secular world runs the ball with, all the while blaspheming our Adonai.

When you see book and cable TV series of shows like “Good Omens,” written by anti-Christian authors who promote satanism, witchcraft, and all things confusion for Christians, we know the corrupted theories, like the rapture, and pre-tribulation, have done their job for the dark side.
 
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DJZawada said:
483 years from 444 BC to AD 33 with a gregorain calendar, final week ended AD 70 or shortly thereafter,
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Nope absolutely incorrect. Using Gods 360 day year, starting from March 14, 445 BC we terminate at April 6, 32 AD. These are very reliable numbers. I am even willing to concede that there might be a fudge factor but it can't be more than a few days. Gregorian calendar is merely incidental used for purposes of interpretation.

https://www.watchmanbiblestudy.com/BibleStudies/HIStoryOurFuture/Daniels70Weeks.html
 
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cv5 said:
Nope absolutely incorrect. Using Gods 360 day year, starting from March 14, 445 BC we terminate at April 6, 32 AD. These are very reliable numbers. I am even willing to concede that there might be a fudge factor but it can't be more than a few days. Gregorian calendar is merely incidental used for purposes of interpretation.

https://www.watchmanbiblestudy.com/BibleStudies/HIStoryOurFuture/Daniels70Weeks.html
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Thats wonderful you just figured out that around AD 32 according to your calculations JESUS IS HAMASHIACH

That was what the prophecy of 70 weeks was about and this:

Daniel 9:26

“And after sixty two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary (end of the 70 weeks),”
  • The Messiah was cut off – Jesus was crucified and it was not for Himself, but for the sin of the whole world in AD 33.
  • Titus of Rome destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple less than forty years later in AD 70.
70 weeks fulfilled done.
 
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I really don't understand how you can say that AD33 is incorrect! It was AD32!

Do you hear yourself right now?

No other man in hisotry did what Jesus did. I don't care if you calculation is off by a year - it's ridiculous to even say such a thing.

444 BC to AD33 = 483 years, less than 40 years later as Jesus stated Temple destroyed = 70 weeks fufilled

why is that so hard for some of you?
 
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DJZawada said:
Thats wonderful you just figured out that around AD 32 according to your calculations JESUS IS HAMASHIACH

That was what the prophecy of 70 weeks was about and this:

Daniel 9:26

“And after sixty two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary (end of the 70 weeks),”
  • The Messiah was cut off – Jesus was crucified and it was not for Himself, but for the sin of the whole world in AD 33.
  • Titus of Rome destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple less than forty years later in AD 70.
70 weeks fulfilled done.
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Lol.....no no no. You just pointed out your problem...."forty years later". Five weeks of years? Six weeks of years? The truth is 70 A.D. does not fit in with Daniels 70 weeks.......in any conceivable way shape or form. Take my word for it and try it out for yourself.

The 70 A.D. destruction definitely WAS prophesied.....Matthew 24, Mark 13, and expanded on fully in Luke 21. This is true. But there is no chronological/mathematical prophecy pertaining
to 70 A.D. anywhere in the Bible. Furthermore 70 A.D. is definitely not indicated in Daniel ch 9....
 
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I'll wait while you all run around looking at scriptures to prove me wrong....go ahead I'll wait. It's not me you're attempting to prove wrong LOL.
 
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DJZawada said:
I really don't understand how you can say that AD33 is incorrect! It was AD32!

Do you hear yourself right now?

No other man in hisotry did what Jesus did. I don't care if you calculation is off by a year - it's ridiculous to even say such a thing.

444 BC to AD33 = 483 years, less than 40 years later as Jesus stated Temple destroyed = 70 weeks fufilled

why is that so hard for some of you?
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My friend what leads you to believe that 7 equals 40???
We both agree on the 483 years/173,880 days.

Think on it for a while I'm sure you're going to pick it up...;)(y)
 
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My friend what leads you to believe that 7 equals 40???
We both agree on the 483 years/173,880 days.
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I'm sorry you don't get it, or perhaps you are just sewing confusion like my jewish counterparts that do this every day all day long in these chat rooms.

It's 69 weeks 483 years, NOT a 2,000 year pause LOL

JESUS OUR LORD SPEAKS TO THE PEOPLE GOD ON EARTH AND WE ARE SAVED YEA!!!!

JESUS SAYS GENERATION WILL NOT PASS

JESUS SAYS HE WILL DIE FOR US

JESUS RESURRECTED DEFEATS DEATH ASCENDS TO HEAVEN AND SENDS US RUACH HAKODESH (FOR ALL MY JEWISH BRETHREN READING)

PROPHECY CAN NOW BE FULFILLED OF 70 WEEKS

37/38 YEARS LATER GENERATION DOES NOT PASS BEFORE YOM YHWH

GABRIEL 70 WEEK PROPHECY FULFILLED

I am sorry many of you believed the false doctrine and lies for all these years. Some of you your whole lives.
 
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1 more time and I will leave you all to ponder your reality:

The 70 weeks absolutely have nothing to do with Christians, or the elect – nothing whatsoever.

The prophecy of Daniel 9:24 relates ONLY:
  1. for Israel; NOT the Saints, or Christians, or secular world.
  2. for the holy city Jerusalem.
Who is sewing the confusion to you? Perhaps your enemies who hate Christians that do this every day all day long in these chat rooms.

You will know them by what they say. No man or woman can say Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior who has redeemed me and is my Mashiach, if they are not Christians.

Keep that in mind. Do they argue concepts, ideologies, theories, scripture - but never claim Christ as their redeemer?

Always remember, everyday of your life, your enemy’s purpose:
  • confuse the sheep
  • scatter the sheep
  • destroy the sheep
Only through Christ Jesus do we find salvation, including all you rascals out there who try to stop it and confuse everyone with simple doctrine for babes, like Gabriel's 70 weeks given to Daniel.
 
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DJZawada said:
Jesus also stated that this generation referring to the Israelites of His time would see YOM YHWH before the generation was over, which they did less than 40 years later (37) when Titus showed up and over a million people were killed.
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As expected the false Preterist antichrist in 70AD Titus

The figure of Daniel 9:27 below will be present on earth to the consummation (The End)

Merriam/Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signaturespecifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end : FINISH

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
 
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DJZawada said:
483 years from 444 BC to AD 33 with a gregorain calendar, final week ended AD 70 or shortly thereafter,
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That theory would make most of Revelation a history book. Funny thing, no one has ever been able to find the events in Revelation in history. DUh! It's FUTURE. (It is not a bad word!)
 
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