50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

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1 Thessalonians 5:2
2For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

Who is the Lord? Jesus. Who comes like a thief in the night? Jesus.

Matthew 24:42-44
42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 43But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

The day of the Lord is the day of Christ. After Christ, our Lord, comes there's wrath. There's way too much material to post here, but there's your starter. I recommend paying close attention to what happens on the day of Christ or day of the Lord and how He comes as a thief. I hope that helps.

This occurs immediately after the great tribulation.
No! The Day of the Lord and the Day of Christ are two different events.

The day of Christ is the gathering of the church, which Paul uses in the letter to the Philippians

"Do everything without complaining or arguing, 15so that you may be blameless and pure, children of God without fault in a crooked and perverse generation, in which you shine as lights in the world 16as you hold forth the word of life, in order that I may boast on the day of Christ that I did not run or labor in vain.

"I thank my God every time I remember you. 4In every prayer for all of you, I always pray with joy, 5because of your partnership in the gospel from the first day until now, 6being confident of this, that He who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

"And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more in knowledge and depth of insight, 10so that you may be able to test and prove what is best and may be pure and blameless for the day of Christ"

The Day of Christ then, is when the Lord appears to gather His church. In opposition, the Day of the Lord is the time of God's wrath:

"Behold, the Day of the LORD is coming—cruel, with fury and burning anger—to make the earth a desolation and to destroy the sinners within it."

"I will completely sweep away everything from the face of the earth,” declares the LORD.

I will sweep away man and beast; I will sweep away the birds of the air, and the fish of the sea, and the idols with their wicked worshipers.

I will cut off mankind from the face of the earth,”

Day of Christ = the appearing of the Lord and our being gathered to Him

Day of the Lord = The time of God's wrath, which will be carried out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgment of Revelation

The Day of Christ takes place first with the gathering of the church, with the Day of the Lord, the time of God's wrath to follow.
 
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No! The Day of the Lord and the Day of Christ are two different events.

The day of Christ is the gathering of the church, which Paul uses in the letter to the Philippians

"Do everything without complaining or arguing, 15so that you may be blameless and pure, children of God without fault in a crooked and perverse generation, in which you shine as lights in the world 16as you hold forth the word of life, in order that I may boast on the day of Christ that I did not run or labor in vain.

"I thank my God every time I remember you. 4In every prayer for all of you, I always pray with joy, 5because of your partnership in the gospel from the first day until now, 6being confident of this, that He who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

"And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more in knowledge and depth of insight, 10so that you may be able to test and prove what is best and may be pure and blameless for the day of Christ"

The Day of Christ then, is when the Lord appears to gather His church. In opposition, the Day of the Lord is the time of God's wrath:

"Behold, the Day of the LORD is coming—cruel, with fury and burning anger—to make the earth a desolation and to destroy the sinners within it."

"I will completely sweep away everything from the face of the earth,” declares the LORD.

I will sweep away man and beast; I will sweep away the birds of the air, and the fish of the sea, and the idols with their wicked worshipers.

I will cut off mankind from the face of the earth,”

Day of Christ = the appearing of the Lord and our being gathered to Him

Day of the Lord = The time of God's wrath, which will be carried out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgment of Revelation

The Day of Christ takes place first with the gathering of the church, with the Day of the Lord, the time of God's wrath to follow.
The Bible says otherwise. It happens immediately after the grest tribulation when Jesus returns like a thief in the night.

Isaiah 13:9-11, 13
9Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
10For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
11And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
13Therefore I will make the heavens tremble,
and the earth will be shaken from its place
at the wrath of the LORD of Hosts
on the day of His burning anger.

Joel 2:31-32
31The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
32And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered

Matthew 24:29-31
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Acts 2:20-21
20The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
21And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

2 Peter 3:10
10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
 
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The Bible says otherwise. It happens immediately after the grest tribulation when Jesus returns like a thief in the night.

Isaiah 13:9-11, 13
9Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
10For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
11And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
13Therefore I will make the heavens tremble,
and the earth will be shaken from its place
at the wrath of the LORD of Hosts
on the day of His burning anger.

Joel 2:31-32
31The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
32And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered

Matthew 24:29-31
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Acts 2:20-21
20The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
21And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

2 Peter 3:10
10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.


Yes I think I get what you are getting at... the Rapture of Jesus in the clouds to get us is different than when He brings us with HIM to the Battle of Armageddon. (Ha which is after our 45 wedding Feast of the Lamb with HIM while the wrath of God vials reign on the Earth.

I have to go to sleep, Im creating run on sentences to try and pack too much into too small a space.
 

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Regarding the gathering first and then followed by The Day of the Lord, I would also present the following:

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Now about the times and seasons, brothers, we do not need to write to you. 2For you are fully aware that the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3While people are saying, “Peace and security,” destruction will come upon them suddenly, like labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

4But you, brothers, are not in the darkness so that this day should overtake you like a thief. 5For you are all sons of the light and sons of the day; we do not belong to the night or to the darkness.
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So when they (unbelievers) are saying, "Peace and Security" sudden destruction will come upon them and they will not escape, which is referring to The Day of the Lord, the time of God's wrath. Then in verse 4 Paul says, "But you, brothers, are not in the darkness so that this day should overtake you like a thief."

The first three words "But you, Brother" would infer the opposite of not escaping. And the way that we will escape is what Paul previously outline at the end of chapter 4 which is the resurrection and the living in Christ being changed and caught up. So the Day of the Lord will not overtake us because we will be gathered by the Lord.

That we are not in Darkness so that the Day of the Lord should overtake us, means that we will be gathered before the Day of the Lord begins.
The day of the Lord is a 1, 000 years

It begins with our going to meet the Lord in the clouds and with the destruction of Antichrist in the temple

Israel will turn to the Lord "they will look upon Him whom they have pierced and mourn for Him as for a firstborn son" And the Kingdom of God will be set up in Jerusalem. God's wrath will be poured out upon all who rebel against the rule of Christ through His priests and kings the Jews ... that is what the Revelation is all about.

But this is not all that will happen

The nations will FLOCK to Jerusalem to learn about the God of Jacob. Nations will cease to war against nation and the Kingdom of God will be rolled out across the world. The glory of the knowledge of the Lord will cover the earth as the waters cover the seas. Glory to God.
 

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By the way, I don't subscribe to Darby, nor have I ever read anything written by him. So, my conclusion is based on scripture. People usually try to use Darby on me to discredit my contention.

The coming of the Lord and our being gathered to Him and the Day of the Lord, are closely linked. If Paul was speaking about the gathering of the church opposed to the Day of the Lord, why would he write to the Thessalonians telling them not to become alarmed or easily unsettled? The answer is that because there were people in Thessalonica teaching that 'the Day of the Lord' (the time of God's wrath) had already come. So they were concerned that if the Day of Lord had come, that they had missed out on the gathering, which is why Paul mentions both.

If the Holy Spirit wanted to convey the "the Day of Christ" in verse then he would have used the same words that He did in the letter to the Philippians. But He didn't, He used "the Day of the Lord."

Even the following scripture supports first the Restrainer being removed and the church with Him, then the man of lawlessness will be revealed.

Believers within the church will never see the antichrist, that man of lawlessness. For the appearing of the Lord and our being gathered to Him will take place first, then that man of lawlessness will be revealed.

In addition, the first seal rider on the white horse is symbolically representing the antichrist, the opening of which initiates God's wrath. Since we are not appointed to suffer God's wrath, then we must be gathered to the Lord prior to the first seal being opened.

The scripture stands in that in the first verse Paul says "concerning the coming of our Lord and our being gathered to Him," followed by his reference to "The Day of the Lord," which are two, closely linked events.
I accept you may not have read Darby yet his teaching has infiltrated the church and it is his teaching you are following. The church never read 2.Thessalonians 2. that way, not during 2, 000 years.

We WILL see Antichrist. Before he sits in the temple claiming to be God he has a career. It is a career of opposing everything called God or which is worshipped as God. He will attempt to stamp out all religion. That my brother spells trouble for you. Trouble and tribulation is the same word. This is BIG trouble, the GREAT tribulation. It is the end -times persecution Jesus warned us about.

When Ac feels he has succeeded in stamping out religion he will invade Jerusalem to proclaim himself as God. And there he will meet his end.
 

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1 Thessalonians 5:2
2For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

Who is the Lord? Jesus. Who comes like a thief in the night? Jesus.

Matthew 24:42-44
42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 43But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

The day of the Lord is the day of Christ. After Christ, our Lord, comes there's wrath. There's way too much material to post here, but there's your starter. I recommend paying close attention to what happens on the day of Christ or day of the Lord and how He comes as a thief. I hope that helps.

This occurs immediately after the great tribulation.
How strange: you are imagining a different book of Revelation, with the 6th seal opened after Rev. 19 and His coming to Armageddon.

Axiom on Revelation:
ANY theory that must rearrange John's God given chronology to fit, is immediately suspect and WILL BE proven wrong.

I have a novel idea: form your theories of Revelation AS IT IS WRITTEN, rather then forming a theory and they rearranging Revelation to fit the theory.

John and the Holy Spirit behind Him and Jesus with the Holy Spirit started with this book with 7 seals before any trumpets and before any bowls. They are what is inside the book, and before the book can be opened to reveal trumpets, first the seals must be opened.

So John starts in chapter 6 opening the seals one by one. With the context of the first seal, we can see it was opened as soon as Jesus ascended. Same with seals 2, 3, 4, and 5. At seal five, is the first mention of a long period of time - the church age. Martyrs are still be killed, and will still be being killed right up until the pretrib rapture ends the church age. The next event in Revelation is the 6th seal start of the Day of the Lord. If someone says that is only the announcement of the Day and Day actually starts with the first trumpet, I would not argue.

The point is, the Day of the Lord (or the day of His wrath) STARTS before any trumpet of bowl, so that every trumpet and bowl come with His wrath. Finally the 7th seal is opened which allows the BOOK to be opened: and the first thing John sees is 7 angels about the receive 7 trumpets. The 7th seal is the official opening of the 70th week of Daniel.

Then John takes the readers through the sounding of the first 6 trumpet judgments. (The seals were not "judgments.) Finally the 7th trumpet sounds marking the division point of the week and will sound as the abomination takes place: the man of sin entering the Holy of Holies and declaring He is God.

The days of GT take place some unknown time into the second half of the week. But finally God will pour out the vials of His wrath to SHORTEN those days of GT.

Finally the week ends with the 7th vial, or bowl, and darkness covers the land. "Mystery Babylon - the city of Jerusalem - is nearly destroyed. Jesus is not seen.

Some unknown time after the week ends, the dark Sky is lit up like lightning and Jesus comes - every eye seeing Him. It is time for Armageddon. (it is also still inside the Day of the Lord that started 7 years previous.)

The DAY comes like a thief because JESUS comes like a thief - an unknown and unexpected time.
Jesus coming we could say TRIGGERS the rapture and the rapture TRIGGERS the DAY. All three events some suddenly and unexpected to the world.

On the other hand, those living in the light of God's word ARE expecting Him. They get salvation (get raptured) while those not expecting get caught with sudden destruction.

This is God's chronology. Why would anyone imagine it needs to be rearranged?
 

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I accept you may not have read Darby yet his teaching has infiltrated the church and it is his teaching you are following. The church never read 2.Thessalonians 2. that way, not during 2, 000 years.

We WILL see Antichrist. Before he sits in the temple claiming to be God he has a career. It is a career of opposing everything called God or which is worshipped as God. He will attempt to stamp out all religion. That my brother spells trouble for you. Trouble and tribulation is the same word. This is BIG trouble, the GREAT tribulation. It is the end -times persecution Jesus warned us about.

When Ac feels he has succeeded in stamping out religion he will invade Jerusalem to proclaim himself as God. And there he will meet his end.
If you believe you want to stay behind and "tribulate," I am sure it can happen. But why not rather take God's escape plan and come to heaven before all His wrath? Are you praying to be found worthy to escape? of do you just WANT to be left behind?
 

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He is my constant Companion now and has been for more than 40 years ... go and find some greenhorn to blow a breeze up.
I submit it is impossible to be expecting Christ to come first AND the falling away to come first at the same time.
 

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It is one of the plainest scriptures in the entire bible, it was written that way as Paul begged them not to be deceived or quickly shaken in mind. It also corresponds with Matt. 24 and also Daniel's famous 70th week.
Since it is so plain to you, please explain how the man of sin is revealed in 3b? What got "taken out of the way" so that could happen?
 

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Yes this was J. N. Darby's other trick which he used to make 2.Thess fit his pre- rapture doctrine, JND insisted that whenever "That day" is encountered in scripture it absolutely means the day of judgement. That is blatantly not true.

That day is the day Paul is speaking about, the coming of the Lord in the clouds. Paul didn't suddenly change subjects mid sentence and start talking about an entirely different event.

J. N. Darby's doctrine was thrown out by every British theologian so he took it to America where it took off like a rocket.
Could you please find TWO scriptures about "that day" that are not related to the Day of the Lord?
 

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That day shall not come except there come a falling away first and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

who opposeth and exalts himself above all that is called god or that is worshipped so that he himself sitteth in the temple of God shewing himself that he is God ....

.... whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming KJV

I can't see how Paul could make it plainer, the only way to confuse it is by fiddling with words like apostes and making it say something other than what it does say ... which is what J.N.Darby did.

The man of sin is who he is, opposing God and all worship of God is what he does ... that is his career

He is slain at the coming of the Lord. Not revealed at the coming of the Lord but slain ... that is the end of him not the beginning.

No more mark of the beast, no more persecution, no more tribulation, the church will be raptured.
I hope you can explain to us how the man of sin "is revealed" (be revealed) in verse 3b. What is it in 3a that is "taken out of the way?"
 

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2 Thessalonians 2 concerns the start of the Great Tribulation which is the second half of the 7 Year Tribulation period. Construct a simple timeline and place the events thereon.

The Russian AC invades Israel and goes into tyhe rebuilt 3rd Temple and states that HE IS GOD. He is the new ruler of the world after decimating the three toes of the WEST inlcuding the US, and so no one can fight the BEAST and they yield ...take HIS MARK and the last 3.5 years start.

WE Christians, flee to Petra, behind the Lords leaders the 2 Christian Prophets.

Just ask I'll answer
HOW will we get to Petra? Plane? I'll bet there will be long lines at the airports! Where will we land? If those living in Judea are fleeing Southeast towards Petra, will we land in Amman, Jordan? I hope you have put some thought into this! We will have to have a safe place to land, and then be able to rent camels. Will there be enough camels?
 

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You are thinking like a HUMAN, and you have got to think like GOD.

GOD says HE WILL DO SOMETHING, it is a DONE DEAL, the minute HE said HE will do it.

Are you saying YOU DO NOT HAVE FAITH THAT GOD WILL DO IT, UNTIL after HE actually DOES IT ? ? ?

That is the weakest FAITH that I have ever heard of. . Are you telling GOD . . . . PROVE IT ? ? ?


Isaiah 46:10-12 (NCV)
10 From the beginning I told you what would happen in the end. A long time ago I told you things that have not yet happened.
When I plan something, it happens. What I want to do, I will do.
11 I am calling a man from the east to carry out my plan; he will come like a hawk from a country far away.
I will make what I have said come true; I will do what I have planned.
12 Listen to me, you stubborn people, who are far from what is right.



Everything HE Said will Happen in the END-TIMES will happen, including the Rapture. HE will make it HAPPEN, because HE PLANNED IT. Anything LESS is Lack of Faith.
Its all talk. The truth is, Jesus had to die. No amount of talk or planning could do what His death did. Sure it was planned from the foundation of the earth. But at some point in time it HAD to happen. The truth is, God could NEVER allow a sinful human spirit (as they ALL were) in heaven, or heaven would cease being heaven. So in spite of all your words, the OT saints had to wait For Christ's resurrection.
 

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That day is the day Paul is speaking about, the coming of the Lord in the clouds. Paul didn't suddenly change subjects mid sentence and start talking about an entirely different event.
In every place in Scripture that the phrase "IN THAT DAY" is used in close proximity [same context] as the phrase "the day of the Lord," they refer to the SAME TIME PERIOD. And this is also the case we find in these two chapters (in 2Th1&2) where Paul also uses BOTH PHRASES (referring to the SAME *future* earthly-located TIME-PERIOD);

Thus, Paul INDEED HASN'T "suddenly changed subjects," as you suggest would be true of what we "pre-tribbers" are pointing out in the text, because he'd ALREADY STARTED talking about that VERY THING in CHAPT 1 (which I'm continually pointing out). ;)




2Th2:3 "that day [the one spoken of in v.2 (and previously mentioned in chpt 1)... an earthly-located TIME-PERIOD] will NOT be present, if not shall have come THE DEPARTURE *FIRST* [v.1's NOUN-EVENT!] and the man of sin be revealed..." (he is *revealed* at the START of the Trib yrs, not its MIDDLE, nor its END ;) . When "the man of sin" is present, SO WILL ALSO be present "the Day of the Lord" earthly TIME-PERIOD!)
 
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How strange: you are imagining a different book of Revelation, with the 6th seal opened after Rev. 19 and His coming to Armageddon.

Axiom on Revelation:
ANY theory that must rearrange John's God given chronology to fit, is immediately suspect and WILL BE proven wrong.

I have a novel idea: form your theories of Revelation AS IT IS WRITTEN, rather then forming a theory and they rearranging Revelation to fit the theory.

John and the Holy Spirit behind Him and Jesus with the Holy Spirit started with this book with 7 seals before any trumpets and before any bowls. They are what is inside the book, and before the book can be opened to reveal trumpets, first the seals must be opened.

So John starts in chapter 6 opening the seals one by one. With the context of the first seal, we can see it was opened as soon as Jesus ascended. Same with seals 2, 3, 4, and 5. At seal five, is the first mention of a long period of time - the church age. Martyrs are still be killed, and will still be being killed right up until the pretrib rapture ends the church age. The next event in Revelation is the 6th seal start of the Day of the Lord. If someone says that is only the announcement of the Day and Day actually starts with the first trumpet, I would not argue.

The point is, the Day of the Lord (or the day of His wrath) STARTS before any trumpet of bowl, so that every trumpet and bowl come with His wrath. Finally the 7th seal is opened which allows the BOOK to be opened: and the first thing John sees is 7 angels about the receive 7 trumpets. The 7th seal is the official opening of the 70th week of Daniel.

Then John takes the readers through the sounding of the first 6 trumpet judgments. (The seals were not "judgments.) Finally the 7th trumpet sounds marking the division point of the week and will sound as the abomination takes place: the man of sin entering the Holy of Holies and declaring He is God.

The days of GT take place some unknown time into the second half of the week. But finally God will pour out the vials of His wrath to SHORTEN those days of GT.

Finally the week ends with the 7th vial, or bowl, and darkness covers the land. "Mystery Babylon - the city of Jerusalem - is nearly destroyed. Jesus is not seen.

Some unknown time after the week ends, the dark Sky is lit up like lightning and Jesus comes - every eye seeing Him. It is time for Armageddon. (it is also still inside the Day of the Lord that started 7 years previous.)

The DAY comes like a thief because JESUS comes like a thief - an unknown and unexpected time.
Jesus coming we could say TRIGGERS the rapture and the rapture TRIGGERS the DAY. All three events some suddenly and unexpected to the world.

On the other hand, those living in the light of God's word ARE expecting Him. They get salvation (get raptured) while those not expecting get caught with sudden destruction.

This is God's chronology. Why would anyone imagine it needs to be rearranged?
So you don't think the sun will be darkened, the moon will not give its light, the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken immediately after the great tribulation, just before the day of the Lord/Christ and Gods wrath? 6th seal?

Then you haven't dug very deep into eschatology, yet you want to discuss it with great passion. You can't have this conversation if you aren't even willing to absorb the scriptures, study them, cross reference them, and meditate on them.
 

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immediately after the great tribulation, just before the day of the Lord/Christ and Gods wrath? 6th seal?
"The Day of the Lord" STARTS at the BEGINNING of the "7-yr Trib" not at its END.


"The Day of the Lord" INCLUDES:

--the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]" that COMES UPON a woman... per 1Th5:2-3;

--the "LAMPS LIT" (for the "NIGHT WATCHES");

--the "IN THE NIGHT / DARK / DARKNESS" (earthly-located) TIME-PERIOD of JUDGMENTs unfolding upon the earth (PRIOR to Christ's "RETURN" to the earth at Rev19)

--"the man of sin" IN HIS TIME
 

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[con't]

--the "INFLICTING VENGEANCE ON those who..." (over the course of SOME TIME);

--"God shall SEND TO THEM strong delusion, THAT they should believe the LIE / the FALSE / the PSEUDEI" (over the course of SOME TIME)




[again, "the Day of the Lord" earthly TIME-PERIOD is not merely the 24-hr day Jesus "RETURNS" to the earth at Rev19, but INCLUDES the 7-yrs leading UP TO that point in the chronology ("SUN of righteousness ARISE") ; and ALSO includes the entire *earthly* MK age also! ("reign... GLORIOUSLY")]
 

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The bodies of those who have died in Christ will be resurrected from the dead and those believers who are alive when He returns will be transformed into glorious bodies (1 Thess. 4:13-17). “The day of Christ” relates wholly to the reward and blessing of the saints at His coming, as “day of the Lord” is connected with judgment.
You missed (Then Cometh The End) As (Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory) :giggle:

afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end,

(Then Cometh The End)

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:21-24 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
 

TheDivineWatermark

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The "THEN" word in v.24 ("THEN - G1534 - EITA") is a SEQUENCE word only, with NO time-element attached to it (unlike the "then [G5119 - tote]" word, like is used in Matt24:16 - https://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/24-16.htm and other passages )




In this 1Cor15 passage, Paul is conveying a LIST...

... but he's not conveying "bam, bam, bam!" one item on the LIST right immediately after another item on the LIST

;)