6 6 6 the mark of the beast

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I do believe that eventually everybody will be saved, so yes. I am sure that I will be called a heretic for stating this, but I can't help believing it after finding numerous passages that suggest this, contained all throughout the bible.

They indeed will but it is the unequivocal truth.
 

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here,,,john the apostle,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"i want to look at something",,,pull out you wallet,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"show me your drivers license",,,,where's your social security card?",,,,,,,,,,where's your debit card?,,,,,,,,,do you have a green card that says you can work and get money in my country?well then ill look for the men who hired you and fine them,,,,,,,,,,they cannot give you money for work and you do not have my permission to work here,,,,,,,,,you cannot buy sell and trade,,,,,,,,,,you do not have my permission,,,,,,,,,,,but they do they can buy sell and trade and they have the name of me to "guarantee it" they have my permission,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"they are mine",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but john "you must go"
 
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Some say that it is NOT a mark in the flesh but in the spirit.
What do you think?


Rv13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

If it is in the spirit how does it stop us from buying and selling?

Rv14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive [his] mark in his forehead, or in his hand,10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
It means that we in the western world who face almost no persecution will at some point have to face the same persecution as many of the early christian believer who lost their job and sometimes even all their possessions because they believed in Jesus. Many christians around the world already deal with this concept of believe in Jesus and suffer.
 

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yes,,,, Obama "enter your pin number",,,,,,,,yes you poor man in the country"enter your pin number",,,,,,,,the rich and the poor from the least to the greatest ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"enter the pin number in your forehead",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
 

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Israel,,,if i go to the web page "666" and i refresh it it says you posted a comment "one minute ago" but if i refresh my page it says i posted "one hour ago" i know you did post an comment but it will not show it to me ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,forgive me if i do not answer,,,,,soandso
 
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Do you believe that you have to be christian to be saved?
Is that a question worth asking? If you do not believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, you will not be saved no matter how many good works you do throughout your life. It is good to hope that everyone will be saved, but sadly that won't be the case according to the book of Revelation. Stating that every being will be saved is calling God a liar.
 
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Is that a question worth asking? If you do not believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, you will not be saved no matter how many good works you do throughout your life. It is good to hope that everyone will be saved, but sadly that won't be the case according to the book of Revelation. Stating that every being will be saved is calling God a liar.

It is indeed a question worth asking. It is foolishness to think that christians have the market cornered on God. It is God's will that all be saved. Can He not perform what He wills?
 
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It is indeed a question worth asking. It is foolishness to think that christians have the market cornered on God. It is God's will that all be saved. Can He not perform what He wills?
Let's not get mixed up with religion. People who believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and follow his commandments will be saved. Plain and simple. Do not try to twist what is said in the Bible to fit your likeness and your beliefs. God certainly desires all to be saved, but that is not going to happen according to dozens of Scriptures within the Bible.
 
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Its Gods will that all will be saved but humans have free will so we a llhave a choice of life or death if its true that all will be saved then ur saying I can go live however I wish and not listen to God at all because im gonna be saved anyways and thats not the case because if were all gonna be saved no matter what then what's the point of following God now
 
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Let's not get mixed up with religion. People who believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and follow his commandments will be saved. Plain and simple. Do not try to twist what is said in the Bible to fit your likeness and your beliefs. God certainly desires all to be saved, but that is not going to happen according to dozens of Scriptures within the Bible.

I don't twist the scriptures. May God's will be done. If this is true to you then it is in fact you who resists His will. Instead of quoting scriptures and following the traditions of men in their lack of understanding, learn that grace is given to all. And you have about as much choice in it as you did when God asked you if you wanted to be born!
 
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Its Gods will that all will be saved but humans have free will so we a llhave a choice of life or death if its true that all will be saved then ur saying I can go live however I wish and not listen to God at all because im gonna be saved anyways and thats not the case because if were all gonna be saved no matter what then what's the point of following God now

Free will is an illusion based in vanity. The bible says you are a slave. It is in vanity that we perceive to have a choice and indeed most choose death.

Isaiah 28:16-18

16Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.

17Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.

18And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.
 
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Israel so ur saying free will doesn't exist
 
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The forehead is where we make our decision, we choose to worship the beast or we choose to worship God, in the hand means by our actions or non action we make a choice to worship either one. Worship is mentioned 8 times in Revelation 13 & 14.
I like this explanation.
 
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Yep,

Eph 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Eph 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.



Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.


Enmity:

ekh'-thrah
Feminine of G2190; hostility; by implication a reason for opposition: - enmity, hatred.

2190

ekh-thros'
From a primary word ἔχθω echthō (to hate); hateful (passively odious, or actively hostile); usually as a noun, an adversary (especially Satan): - enemy, foe.
 
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If one were to do a serious study on marks and seals in Scripture we find that marks and seals are seen in visions (prophetic accounts) while they are not seen in the historical accounts. A perfect example of this is:
Eze 9:4 And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.
Eze 9:6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.
Now let’s compare the prophetic account given in Ezeliels vision to the historical account given in 2Ch.
2Ch 36:17 Therefore he brought upon them the king of the Chaldees, who slew their young men with the sword in the house of their sanctuary, and had no compassion upon young man or maiden, old man, or him that stooped for age: he gave them all into his hand.

Could it be that these marks and seals are only seen in the spiritual world and not in the physical world? Can you see the seal of God on other believers?

As for as the number 666 goes, interestingly enough there is at least one sect of Moslems that openly claim the number and say it is the number of their false prophet who taught the exact opposite of the gospel. Read their own words HERE < link
 
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I don't twist the scriptures. May God's will be done. If this is true to you then it is in fact you who resists His will. Instead of quoting scriptures and following the traditions of men in their lack of understanding, learn that grace is given to all. And you have about as much choice in it as you did when God asked you if you wanted to be born!
You should learn about the essence of God before making such bold statements.

God can do what he wills to do, but He does not necessarily will to do everything that is possible to do. Omnipotence includes the power of self limitation. He has limited Himself, to some extent, by giving free will to His rational creatures. That is why He does not keep sin out of the universe nor does He force salvation universally upon mankind.

If I stopped serving God today and went out and lived a sinful life for the rest of my life without repentance, it wouldn't matter because I'd still be saved through His grace? There is something really wrong with what you believe. God is full of mercy and grace, but at the same time He is a consuming fire!
 
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You should learn about the essence of God before making such bold statements.

God can do what he wills to do, but He does not necessarily will to do everything that is possible to do. Omnipotence includes the power of self limitation. He has limited Himself, to some extent, by giving free will to His rational creatures. That is why He does not keep sin out of the universe nor does He force salvation universally upon mankind.

If I stopped serving God today and went out and lived a sinful life for the rest of my life without repentance, it wouldn't matter because I'd still be saved through His grace? There is something really wrong with what you believe. God is full of mercy and grace, but at the same time He is a consuming fire!

Did you ask to be here or was this place thrusted upon you? We all were made subject to vanity AGAINST our will!

And for those that think like this: that "what is the point of serving God now if all are saved" attitude, is exactly why your eyes are blind to this.
 
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Did you ask to be here or was this place thrusted upon you? We all were made subject to vanity AGAINST our will!

And for those that think like this: that "what is the point of serving God now if all are saved" attitude, is exactly why your eyes are blind to this.

I have never understood until recently how someone who claims to Love The Lord could even think this.

But he said it in his own words "Quote" If I stopped serving God today It's a matter of works, and debt, And not The Love of God that brings us into Sonship, Relationship.

So if God has all to be Saved, without Serving all their lives, (like they have) Then they will stumble, and scream, it's not Fair.


Mat 20:11 And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,
Mat 20:12 Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.

Blessings
 

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its always "another generation",,,,it's always something "we will understand in that day",,,,we always say "those poor people who did not get it",,,,mankind always look's up on the computer to see the things they "are going to do with our money",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,no one "sits down and takes out their wallet,,,and sets the money out in order and their s.s.card,,,,and their debit card,,,and their credit cards or their check book and thinks",,,,,,,,,,,,pin numbers in your forehead,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and "little cookies,,,in the trail",,,,,,"i'll lay down a r.f.i.d. here and another one here and another one here,,,,,,,,,,and they'll follow the trail,,,"away from the pin number in their forehead"
 

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It's most likely to be a physical mark, since one cannot buy or sell without it, so it could be the start of a cashless society?? Christ already knows who is spiritually His, but embracing this physical mark will be pledging full allegiance to the system, which is of the world and not of God.

Scripture tells me that the Government and whore of Babylon religious leader are the two beasts. I think the Government will force everyone to receive the mark of the one world religion (since he will have that authority), then threatening to deprive the unwilling of food and income!

When the founding fathers came up with the constitutional rights, it was feared that future Presidents would be power hungry and might eventually find a way to cancel them all completely, which is why they took care in the wording. However - you can get the people to give up their rights unknowingly, then allowing the government to enforce martial law and take away everyone's freedom! :( :( :( Somehow I just don't see myself applying for citizenship in this country anytime soon.

It may be that the RFID Chip has been deviously included in the health care bill??? Link --> Microchiping included in Healthcare Bill ? | Ron Paul 2012 | Peace . Gold . Liberty
 
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