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You got it!!! I don't think that God obliterated His law, I just don't. I don't think God does, either. I have gone into each church leader that started saying so and it doesn't tie in with what God says, way back to Justin, Constantine, and St Augustine. I think if you have faith in something it doesn't mean sit in an armchair and say "I have faith", I think it means that you can step out on the assurances of God with faith. I don't think you can be filled with God and His spirit and say it is the ONLY thing, don't have to follow through at all. I believe God when God told us how to do, and what was empty doing so we know the difference. I believe my Lord. I have followed the "nailed to the cross" "not under law" "follow love", all of them carefully and they are truth and they don't add up to God cancelled law.
Understand:
Eze 13:22
Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:
Eze 13:23
Therefore ye shall see no more vanity, nor divine divinations: for I will deliver my people out of your hand: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
Yes, there is peace and rest in Yeshua, from sadness and lies. Hear Yeshua, and close the ears to lies.
Eze 13:22
Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:
Eze 13:23
Therefore ye shall see no more vanity, nor divine divinations: for I will deliver my people out of your hand: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
Yes, there is peace and rest in Yeshua, from sadness and lies. Hear Yeshua, and close the ears to lies.
I find your feigned humor, which is hatred disguised as humor, sinful. You are unrepentent of your wickedness. If you continue with your ridicule of the beliefs of others, there is nothing that can be done for you. In Jesus Christ's name, I pray you learn to accept that others will not always be in 100% agreement with you, although they do pursue the Holy Spirit which all who love Yeshua in spirit and truth should do.
You are not fellowshiping here I am afraid, because of the constant ridicule coming from you and those who are just as you. May Yahweh have mercy on your soul. He, and all His children want you to make it, so follow Yeshua, Jesus. All the delusional great thinking of man will go in the fire next time, this includes yours.
Now do not come to me saying I am doing the same thing in what I post. Those whom you oppose so vehemently claim the Blood of Yeshua, they love Him and do all they are able to learn of Him and serve Him. A cursory study of your posting shows a total void of this heart. I am sorry. May God bless you and turn you to His light.
You are not fellowshiping here I am afraid, because of the constant ridicule coming from you and those who are just as you. May Yahweh have mercy on your soul. He, and all His children want you to make it, so follow Yeshua, Jesus. All the delusional great thinking of man will go in the fire next time, this includes yours.
Now do not come to me saying I am doing the same thing in what I post. Those whom you oppose so vehemently claim the Blood of Yeshua, they love Him and do all they are able to learn of Him and serve Him. A cursory study of your posting shows a total void of this heart. I am sorry. May God bless you and turn you to His light.
Right there in Gen.26
GENESIS 26 [3] Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, AND UNTO THY SEED, I will give all these countries, and I WILL PERFORM THE OATH WHICH I SWARE UNTO ABRAHAM thy father; [4] And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; [5] BECAUSE THAT ABRAHAM OBEYED MY VOICE, and kept my charge, MY COMMANDMENTS, my statutes, and MY LAWS.
Honest Abe heard Gods "voice" and so he kept His commandments
GENESIS 26 [3] Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, AND UNTO THY SEED, I will give all these countries, and I WILL PERFORM THE OATH WHICH I SWARE UNTO ABRAHAM thy father; [4] And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; [5] BECAUSE THAT ABRAHAM OBEYED MY VOICE, and kept my charge, MY COMMANDMENTS, my statutes, and MY LAWS.
Honest Abe heard Gods "voice" and so he kept His commandments
K
Yes by faith Abe obeyed the voice of God. BY faith he offered his son. By faith he received Issac. By faith he became a father of many nations. By faith his is the father of all who believe in christ. By faith though He never saw its fruition believed in the promised land, and it is called the promised because it was promised to him. After his death his children suffered some 400 years in Egypt. Abe was so faithful that God did not forget His promise, even to stiff necked, adulterous people. Not because of law, but because of faith. Abe exemplifies uncommon faith. Having faith unto death and not seeing the result in his flesh, but trusting that the promise of God would manifest after his death. Now that my friend is faith. Howbeit keeping God's word is a form of faith, but, most law keepers place their faith in keeping law. No man can keep law unto God's standard and is the very reason why Jesus gave Himself on the cross. Even Abe failed (Ishmael), Issac failed, Jacob Failed, David failed, are we greater than these. The fact is that the book of Hebrews states that Abe believed God and it was accounted unto him as righteousness. You can try as you may to achieve righteousness from obeying law or you can accept the free gift of righteousness by having faith in the work of the cross. your choice.
Yes Kerry...FAITH
GALATIANS 3 [23] But BEFORE FAITH CAME, WE WERE KEPT UNDER THE LAW, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. [24] WHEREFORE THE LAW WAS OUR SCHOOLMASTER TO BRING US UNTO CHRIST, THAT WE MIGHT BE JUSTIFIED BY FAITH. [25] But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. [26] For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. [27] For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. [28] There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. [29] And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Did you go to school Kerry?
GALATIANS 3 [23] But BEFORE FAITH CAME, WE WERE KEPT UNDER THE LAW, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. [24] WHEREFORE THE LAW WAS OUR SCHOOLMASTER TO BRING US UNTO CHRIST, THAT WE MIGHT BE JUSTIFIED BY FAITH. [25] But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. [26] For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. [27] For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. [28] There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. [29] And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Did you go to school Kerry?
GENESIS 26 [3] Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, AND UNTO THY SEED, I will give all these countries, and I WILL PERFORM THE OATH WHICH I SWARE UNTO ABRAHAM thy father; [4] And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; [5] BECAUSE THAT ABRAHAM OBEYED MY VOICE, and kept my charge, MY COMMANDMENTS, my statutes, and MY LAWS.
Honest Abe heard Gods "voice" and so he kept His commandments
JOHN 10 [27] MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE, and I know them, and they follow me: [28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Also Gods sheep hear His “voice”.
DEUT. 27 [8] And thou shalt write upon the stones all the words of this law very plainly. [9] And Moses and the priests the Levites spake unto all Israel, saying, Take heed, and hearken, O Israel; this day thou art become the people of the Lord thy God. [10] Thou shalt therefore OBEY THE VOICE of the Lord thy God, and DO HIS COMMANDMENTS and his statutes, which I command thee this day.
DEUT. 4 [12] And the Lord spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard THE VOICE of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice. [13] And he declared unto you his covenant, which HE COMMANDED YOU TO PERFORM, EVEN TEN COMMANDMENTS; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.
It is truly Gods 10 commandments
While it is said, TO DAY IF YE WILL HEAR HIS VOICE, HARDEN NOT YOUR HEARTS
Honest Abe heard Gods "voice" and so he kept His commandments
JOHN 10 [27] MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE, and I know them, and they follow me: [28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Also Gods sheep hear His “voice”.
DEUT. 27 [8] And thou shalt write upon the stones all the words of this law very plainly. [9] And Moses and the priests the Levites spake unto all Israel, saying, Take heed, and hearken, O Israel; this day thou art become the people of the Lord thy God. [10] Thou shalt therefore OBEY THE VOICE of the Lord thy God, and DO HIS COMMANDMENTS and his statutes, which I command thee this day.
DEUT. 4 [12] And the Lord spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard THE VOICE of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice. [13] And he declared unto you his covenant, which HE COMMANDED YOU TO PERFORM, EVEN TEN COMMANDMENTS; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.
It is truly Gods 10 commandments
While it is said, TO DAY IF YE WILL HEAR HIS VOICE, HARDEN NOT YOUR HEARTS
That was then; this is now - http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/69854-jesus-commandments.html#post1127729 < click
K
Yes I went to last part of your verse. THAT WE MAY BE JUSTIFIED BY FAITH. Show me school master, where law forgives sin. Show me teacher where law breaks the yoke of sin. As I said the choice is yours the yoke and burden of law or the free Gift of faith in Christ.
Romans 5:16And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
Genesis 15:6And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
Romans 4:13For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Romans 9:30What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
Romans 10:4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Romans 10:10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
2 Corinthians 5:21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. ( Speaking of Christ)
Galatians 2:21I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Galatians 3:21Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verilyrighteousness should have been by the law.
Galatians 5:5For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith
Philippians 3:9And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Titus 3:5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Hebrews 11:7By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
James 2:23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
I think thats enough scripture to show that it is faith and not law keeping. I can get more if this is not sufficient.
Romans 5:16And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
Genesis 15:6And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
Romans 4:13For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Romans 9:30What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
Romans 10:4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Romans 10:10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
2 Corinthians 5:21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. ( Speaking of Christ)
Galatians 2:21I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Galatians 3:21Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verilyrighteousness should have been by the law.
Galatians 5:5For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith
Philippians 3:9And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Titus 3:5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Hebrews 11:7By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
James 2:23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
I think thats enough scripture to show that it is faith and not law keeping. I can get more if this is not sufficient.
You can post as many scriptures about faith as you wish
ROMANS 3 [30] Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. [31] DO WE THEN MAKE VOID THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: yea, we establish the law.
Your still to be keeping the law according to scripture
ROMANS 3 [30] Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. [31] DO WE THEN MAKE VOID THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: yea, we establish the law.
Your still to be keeping the law according to scripture
This is [GOD's] commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 1 John 3:23