AM I JEW OR A GENTILE IF I KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS ?
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As is written, we are no longer strangers but we also are members of the Commonwealth of Israel. This, for some, is not easy to understand, so prayer is necessary.
The actual word(s) used for a synagogue in Hebrew will translate as meeting house, so keep that in mind when reading that word. Synagogue is take from the Greek. There is nothing wrong with the word, nothing at all, but keeping the actual meaning sometimes takes away from the singularity of the name, opening it to all.
For example, the saying about those who say they are Jews and are not, but they are really a synagogue of Satan. We, of course, are the synagogue of the Christ of God.
All who believe the Most High God are perfectly rightful to be called Jews, as they are the same with the word, Christian. If you were to take the word, Christian, it too is from the Greek, however the most likely root employed at that time would be Messiah, and it would be Messianic. This does not mean a sect or any named religion today, it simply means people who believe Jesus, or Yeshua, whose name does translate to English meaning Salvation. Praise God for our Salvation, amen.
The actual word(s) used for a synagogue in Hebrew will translate as meeting house, so keep that in mind when reading that word. Synagogue is take from the Greek. There is nothing wrong with the word, nothing at all, but keeping the actual meaning sometimes takes away from the singularity of the name, opening it to all.
For example, the saying about those who say they are Jews and are not, but they are really a synagogue of Satan. We, of course, are the synagogue of the Christ of God.
All who believe the Most High God are perfectly rightful to be called Jews, as they are the same with the word, Christian. If you were to take the word, Christian, it too is from the Greek, however the most likely root employed at that time would be Messiah, and it would be Messianic. This does not mean a sect or any named religion today, it simply means people who believe Jesus, or Yeshua, whose name does translate to English meaning Salvation. Praise God for our Salvation, amen.
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"All who believe the Most High God are perfectly rightful to be called Jews".....WHAT?
Please show us the reference that is subsistent with such affirmation.
The new testament actually teaches to discourage circumcision, with actually makes a Jew a Gentile, and if converted to Jesus, able to live by the Grace of God.
Paul called Abram a gentile before he was circumcised.
Please show us the reference that is subsistent with such affirmation.
The new testament actually teaches to discourage circumcision, with actually makes a Jew a Gentile, and if converted to Jesus, able to live by the Grace of God.
Paul called Abram a gentile before he was circumcised.
When reading in Romans you will come to Paul's discourse on who are praisers of God. In some tranlations this is left as who are Jews. Jew is the shortened form of Judah which may be translated as "praiser of Yah" or "praiser of God." Are you a praiser of God, Yahweh? If not, do not worry, you are not to be called a Jew.
Rom 2:28
For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29
but he isaJewwhois one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Elsewhere it is written in Romans, we are all become children of Abraham by our faith for we share the faith of Abraham, and we are the fulfillment of the promise to Abraham that he would be the father of many nations.
Rom 2:28
For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29
but he isaJewwhois one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Elsewhere it is written in Romans, we are all become children of Abraham by our faith for we share the faith of Abraham, and we are the fulfillment of the promise to Abraham that he would be the father of many nations.
L
Some of my favorite bible verses speak of how there is neither Jew nor Gentile, and that all are one in Christ. Because it shows that God does not wish that any man should perish but that all should come to the knowledge of the truth. This is shown from very early in the word, we see that God is not a respecter of persons. (I like the definition of Judah, Jaumej, "praiser of Yah," The meanings of the names and titles sure have a lot to say about people and groups of people.
God's word really does cover it all.
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
James 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Romans 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
1 Corinthians 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Colossians 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Acts 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
1 Samuel 16:7 But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.
Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
God's word really does cover it all.
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
James 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Romans 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
1 Corinthians 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Colossians 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Acts 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
1 Samuel 16:7 But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.
Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
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As an augmentation to meditation on this subject, I believe one should consider the New Jerusalem to come down from our Father. We know the Jerusalem of this age is not the Kingdom of God, yet it is the capital of the Israel of this age.
It seems reasonable to consider the New Jerusalem as spiritual, and if this be, then it is the capital of the spiritual Israel. I do not claim to understand totally the order of things from this moment until the actual Kingdom comes, not even if it will be before, during or after the time of God's peace on this earth, although many folks will tell you they do know.
I do believe that come our eternity with the Father we are spirit, and spirit knows no nationality, gender, any form of bondage such as a servant etc. We will all be just like Jesus. We will not be Jesus, but we will be just like Him, and that is too incredibly wonderful to totally grasp now. Praise our Maker, Yahweh, amen....Blessed be His Salvation, Yeshua, amen.
It seems reasonable to consider the New Jerusalem as spiritual, and if this be, then it is the capital of the spiritual Israel. I do not claim to understand totally the order of things from this moment until the actual Kingdom comes, not even if it will be before, during or after the time of God's peace on this earth, although many folks will tell you they do know.
I do believe that come our eternity with the Father we are spirit, and spirit knows no nationality, gender, any form of bondage such as a servant etc. We will all be just like Jesus. We will not be Jesus, but we will be just like Him, and that is too incredibly wonderful to totally grasp now. Praise our Maker, Yahweh, amen....Blessed be His Salvation, Yeshua, amen.
As you know i am just seeking to know and thankyou for confirm that Jesus christ wrote the ten commandments,
in this passage we will see some of them Matthew 19:18 The Rich Young Man
…17And He said to him, "Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments." 18Then he said to Him, "Which ones?" And Jesus said, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER; YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY; YOU SHALL NOT STEAL; YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS; 19HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER; and YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."…
I will find more as i look but for now this is all i have found as you can see here it not mention you shall love your farther with all your heart so does mean that remember the sabbath is also gone ? i think that would not be a valid argument
in this passage we will see some of them Matthew 19:18 The Rich Young Man
…17And He said to him, "Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments." 18Then he said to Him, "Which ones?" And Jesus said, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER; YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY; YOU SHALL NOT STEAL; YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS; 19HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER; and YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."…
I will find more as i look but for now this is all i have found as you can see here it not mention you shall love your farther with all your heart so does mean that remember the sabbath is also gone ? i think that would not be a valid argument
More twisting, actually say we will be all son of abraham because he received the promise before he was circumcised, when He still was a gentile.
Your have made me read Romans again to find the reference:
Romans 4:9-10
English Standard Version (ESV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Is this blessing then only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? For we say that faith was counted to Abraham as righteousness. [SUP]10 [/SUP]How then was it counted to him? Was it before or after he had been circumcised? It was not after, but before he was circumcised.
So actually means the original state of abraham was gentiles and this is why the gentiles will also be blessed in abraham
Nothing to do with the Jews
Your have made me read Romans again to find the reference:
Romans 4:9-10
English Standard Version (ESV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Is this blessing then only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? For we say that faith was counted to Abraham as righteousness. [SUP]10 [/SUP]How then was it counted to him? Was it before or after he had been circumcised? It was not after, but before he was circumcised.
So actually means the original state of abraham was gentiles and this is why the gentiles will also be blessed in abraham
Nothing to do with the Jews
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Hi Roger,
Great reference! It brought so many other passages to mind.
The reference that you used comes from Isaiah ch. 29. When read in context, it gives us more of an understanding of why this was spoken.
Isaiah 29:1 Woe to Ariel, to Ariel, the city where David dwelt! add ye year to year; let them kill sacrifices.
Isaiah 29:2 Yet I will distress Ariel, and there shall be heaviness and sorrow: and it shall be unto me as Ariel.
Isaiah 29:3 And I will camp against thee round about, and will lay siege against thee with a mount, and I will raise forts against thee.
Isaiah 29:4 And thou shalt be brought down, and shalt speak out of the ground, and thy speech shall be low out of the dust, and thy voice shall be, as of one that hath a familiar spirit, out of the ground, and thy speech shall whisper out of the dust.
(This entire Chapter reminds me of Leviticus Ch. 26, Where God say repeatedly, "If you walk contrary to Me, I will walk contrary to you.") We see that happening in Isaiah 29.
Isaiah 29:5 Moreover the multitude of thy strangers shall be like small dust, and the multitude of the terrible ones shall be as chaff that passeth away: yea, it shall be at an instant suddenly.
Isaiah 29:6 Thou shalt be visited of the LORD of hosts with thunder, and with earthquake, and great noise, with storm and tempest, and the flame of devouring fire.
Isaiah 29:7 And the multitude of all the nations that fight against Ariel, even all that fight against her and her munition, and that distress her, shall be as a dream of a night vision.
Isaiah 29:8 It shall even be as when an hungry man dreameth, and, behold, he eateth; but he awaketh, and his soul is empty: or as when a thirsty man dreameth, and, behold, he drinketh; but he awaketh, and, behold, he is faint, and his soul hath appetite: so shall the multitude of all the nations be, that fight against mount Zion.
Isaiah 29:9 Stay yourselves, and wonder; cry ye out, and cry: they are drunken, but not with wine; they stagger, but not with strong drink.
Isaiah 29:10 For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.
Isaiah 29:11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
Isaiah 29:12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
Isaiah 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
Isaiah 29:14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.
I'll leave it to whoever cares...to read the rest of the chapter.
Jesus also referred to that very passage:
Matthew 15:5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
Matthew 15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
Matthew 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
Matthew 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
James 4:6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
James 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
Edited to highlight some verses.
Great reference! It brought so many other passages to mind.
The reference that you used comes from Isaiah ch. 29. When read in context, it gives us more of an understanding of why this was spoken.
Isaiah 29:1 Woe to Ariel, to Ariel, the city where David dwelt! add ye year to year; let them kill sacrifices.
Isaiah 29:2 Yet I will distress Ariel, and there shall be heaviness and sorrow: and it shall be unto me as Ariel.
Isaiah 29:3 And I will camp against thee round about, and will lay siege against thee with a mount, and I will raise forts against thee.
Isaiah 29:4 And thou shalt be brought down, and shalt speak out of the ground, and thy speech shall be low out of the dust, and thy voice shall be, as of one that hath a familiar spirit, out of the ground, and thy speech shall whisper out of the dust.
(This entire Chapter reminds me of Leviticus Ch. 26, Where God say repeatedly, "If you walk contrary to Me, I will walk contrary to you.") We see that happening in Isaiah 29.
Isaiah 29:5 Moreover the multitude of thy strangers shall be like small dust, and the multitude of the terrible ones shall be as chaff that passeth away: yea, it shall be at an instant suddenly.
Isaiah 29:6 Thou shalt be visited of the LORD of hosts with thunder, and with earthquake, and great noise, with storm and tempest, and the flame of devouring fire.
Isaiah 29:7 And the multitude of all the nations that fight against Ariel, even all that fight against her and her munition, and that distress her, shall be as a dream of a night vision.
Isaiah 29:8 It shall even be as when an hungry man dreameth, and, behold, he eateth; but he awaketh, and his soul is empty: or as when a thirsty man dreameth, and, behold, he drinketh; but he awaketh, and, behold, he is faint, and his soul hath appetite: so shall the multitude of all the nations be, that fight against mount Zion.
Isaiah 29:9 Stay yourselves, and wonder; cry ye out, and cry: they are drunken, but not with wine; they stagger, but not with strong drink.
Isaiah 29:10 For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.
Isaiah 29:11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
Isaiah 29:12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
Isaiah 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
Isaiah 29:14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.
I'll leave it to whoever cares...to read the rest of the chapter.
Jesus also referred to that very passage:
Matthew 15:5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
Matthew 15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
Matthew 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
Matthew 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
James 4:6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
James 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
Edited to highlight some verses.
Nothing is twisted in quoting the Word in context. As for what you are to believe, it has become clear many folks will believe only what they decide to believe.
Abraham received the promise for His descendants to possess the Gate of their enemies. It does not matter whether it was before or after anything, it is a promise to him from the Father. His descendants are Israel who possess the Gate. The Gate is Yeshua, Jesus, and all may enter now who believe, and be with Israel, the Israel of God. What here is twisted? Nothing, all of this is written. There is no secret here. It is plain talk. All who love Jesus Christ are counted as adopted sons of Yahweh.
If you have a particular theoogy you wish to express, well that is your choice. I do not say you are wrong. Please do not say I twist what I am quoting for it is there for you to read or research. You should know all of this already though.
Addressing the OP again, we can talk all day about what we think Paul said regarding Christians obeying the commandments, but Jesus said first and foremost,
Matthew 5:17-19
“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Jesus Himself told His disciples to do the commandments, and teach others to do so.
Matthew 5:17-19
“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Jesus Himself told His disciples to do the commandments, and teach others to do so.
Keep the commandments?
If you knew the magnitude of what Christ has done for us and does in us you would realize a couple things right away.
1. Your work isn't what pleases God but your Faith in Christ is.
2. It is the Spirit that has shown us what Christ has done and it is the Spirit that changes us.
So now the argument is that in order to really be a Christian we must go back to the weak and beggarly elements??? We must go back to kindergarten because some "christians" have no faith or understanding???
If I were using my carnal understanding the arguments of the hebrew wannabes would be most convincing. I would be blind and they could be my blind guides.
But that's not the case.
The Lord opened my eyes. He showed me that the gap is much to big for us to make it by our works. We must rely fully on Him. And then we must continue to rely fully on Him. If we go back to our own work at the law we have fallen from grace and this gap must be bridged again.
There is still work to do. Just not at the law. He fulfilled it. By the Obedience of One (the Lord Jesus Christ), many will be made righteous.
So if you are going back to trying to obey commandments in your own will, strength and understanding you are NOT having faith that the Lord Jesus has already made you righteous. You must complete the WHOLE law yourself because you have fallen from grace because of having no faith. You have been entangled AGAIN, in the yoke of bondage. If ever you were in fact free from it. You didn't learn what the schoolmaster should have taught you.
We are saved by grace through faith and not of works.
Ephesians 2:8-10
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Not of works, lest any man should boast.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Why would I even tell anyone all this? Isn't it the essence of casting pearls before swine? If there are real Christians that are being led by blind guides perhaps they will hear and start again on the Path that Saves. That would be worth it.
How do you know that what I am saying is the truth? Because I am pointing you to Christ. Not to my beliefs or my religion. Straight to the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
Do you need Jesus plus the law? NO
Do you need Jesus plus the feasts? NO
Do they help you to feel more holy? That would be something interesting to examine.
If you knew the magnitude of what Christ has done for us and does in us you would realize a couple things right away.
1. Your work isn't what pleases God but your Faith in Christ is.
2. It is the Spirit that has shown us what Christ has done and it is the Spirit that changes us.
So now the argument is that in order to really be a Christian we must go back to the weak and beggarly elements??? We must go back to kindergarten because some "christians" have no faith or understanding???
If I were using my carnal understanding the arguments of the hebrew wannabes would be most convincing. I would be blind and they could be my blind guides.
But that's not the case.
The Lord opened my eyes. He showed me that the gap is much to big for us to make it by our works. We must rely fully on Him. And then we must continue to rely fully on Him. If we go back to our own work at the law we have fallen from grace and this gap must be bridged again.
There is still work to do. Just not at the law. He fulfilled it. By the Obedience of One (the Lord Jesus Christ), many will be made righteous.
So if you are going back to trying to obey commandments in your own will, strength and understanding you are NOT having faith that the Lord Jesus has already made you righteous. You must complete the WHOLE law yourself because you have fallen from grace because of having no faith. You have been entangled AGAIN, in the yoke of bondage. If ever you were in fact free from it. You didn't learn what the schoolmaster should have taught you.
We are saved by grace through faith and not of works.
Ephesians 2:8-10
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Not of works, lest any man should boast.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Why would I even tell anyone all this? Isn't it the essence of casting pearls before swine? If there are real Christians that are being led by blind guides perhaps they will hear and start again on the Path that Saves. That would be worth it.
How do you know that what I am saying is the truth? Because I am pointing you to Christ. Not to my beliefs or my religion. Straight to the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
Do you need Jesus plus the law? NO
Do you need Jesus plus the feasts? NO
Do they help you to feel more holy? That would be something interesting to examine.
And yet Christ pointed to the Commandments as the standard we are to attain to. If you throw them out, you may very well find yourself in this category...
Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
Mat 7:23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
Mat 7:23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
I agree.
Who said this, and in what post? Your inferences about such stances and arguments are not enough. Who specifically said it, and where did they specifically say it?
Who is arguing otherwise? I, for one, am not.
What does that "work" look like? Practically, what does it look like?
Again, who here is taking that stance?
I agree.
And again, for the millionth time (give or take a hundred thousand), no one here is talking about obedience for Salvation. No one. You can shout it from the roof tops until you're blue in the face "THE LAW CANNOT SAVE!" Everyone else would be standing on the ground saying, "Exactly. So what? Why are you yelling?"
The question remains, does the law and God's commandments have any application for Christians today?
For salvation? No.
To know how to live a Godly life, and by God's Spirit to try and live it out?
Yes.
Because Jesus told us to?
Yes.
Matthew 5:19
"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Who said this, and in what post? Your inferences about such stances and arguments are not enough. Who specifically said it, and where did they specifically say it?
Who is arguing otherwise? I, for one, am not.
What does that "work" look like? Practically, what does it look like?
Again, who here is taking that stance?
I agree.
And again, for the millionth time (give or take a hundred thousand), no one here is talking about obedience for Salvation. No one. You can shout it from the roof tops until you're blue in the face "THE LAW CANNOT SAVE!" Everyone else would be standing on the ground saying, "Exactly. So what? Why are you yelling?"
The question remains, does the law and God's commandments have any application for Christians today?
For salvation? No.
To know how to live a Godly life, and by God's Spirit to try and live it out?
Yes.
Because Jesus told us to?
Yes.
Matthew 5:19
"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."