AM I JEW OR A GENTILE IF I KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS ?

[Deadtosin]

Sadly, you are completely wrong.



So what does this Christian life look like? Physically and practically, what do you do (if anything)? How do you live your life, practically?

Matthew 5:19
"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

something seems... different from old to new..

[SUP]21 [/SUP]Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

 

[KohenMatt]

something seems... different from old to new..

[SUP]21 [/SUP]Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Physically, practically, how are we to live as Christians saved by grace?

 

[Deadtosin]

Physically, practically, how are we to live as Christians saved by grace?

physically I eat my food thankful to God. I physically appreciate having a shower and food and most of all Gods love. It comes out in how I greet Jahova's witnesses at my door. My every encounter with people when I'm out. More softness, more caring, more gentleness. In my careful choices of my words and how they come across. It effects my free time as well. Reading the bible spending that time with God feeling the breeze on a beautiful cloud covered day (like today) It comes out through conversations on this website. Loving each other through Gods love in us. Sharing that time with God. How can a list of rules benefit my week Kohen?

I'm resting with God now.

 

[RedTent]

. Loving each other through Gods love in us. Sharing that time with God. How can a list of rules benefit my week Kohen?

I'm resting with God now.

And how is it that you know to do these things although you are against reading how God gave examples of ways to express His ways in our life? The Holy Spirit that is helping you is not against your reading about it. Do you really mean that you are not benefitted by scripture?

 

[KohenMatt]

How can a list of rules benefit my week Kohen?

I'm resting with God now.

If you only see them as a list of rules, they will be burdensome to you.

But if you are looking for practical ways to live your life, practical ways to love your neighbor as yourself, practical ways to love God with all of your heart, soul, strength and mind, then the commandments of the OT can be good guidelines. Not the only ones mind you, but good ones.

Personally, I can find a real life spiritual and/or physical application to every command in the OT. Each of those, when done through the revelation, guidance and strength of the Spirit, allows me to honor God with every part of my life, no matter how minute. Do I do them all the time, or even do them well? Hardly. But they show me how to love my neighbor in real ways. Not just say I do. They show me how to love God with every part of my life. Not just say I do.

But again, if you only view them as a list of rules, instead of God's instructions on how live in communion with a holy and perfect God, well then, there's some pretty powerful revelation there.

 

[RedTent]

something seems... different from old to new..

[SUP]21 [/SUP]Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Great!! You are reading scripture. The book of Isaiah talks of this difference, too, although man has labeled Isaiah scripture Old Testament. We are to take on Christ with truth and spirit as we express love. Love needs to be included with actual doing. It isn't the labeling that is important, it is knowing God that is important. You can't put a label on scripture and expect that label to explain God.

 

[Deadtosin]

And how is it that you know to do these things although you are against reading how God gave examples of ways to express His ways in our life? The Holy Spirit that is helping you is not against your reading about it. Do you really mean that you are not benefitted by scripture?

what a vague attack. I spoke about law that is in the scripture. The law is milk. Jesus Christ is spiritual meat.
The scripture is amazing. I love all scripture even the laws, but reading the laws currently to live my life is just a misappropriation of focus. I keep my bible handy. I love it. Please don't suggest that my disagreement with us being in need to revert to the laws- as a declination of importance of scripture. Jesus Christ fulfilled the law.

Jesus in within us and He does guide me and all of us through scripture as well as LIVING WITHIN US, He doesn't contradict anything but He guides us actively moment by moment. When you walk away from your bible do you rest in your knowledge of the bible or your faith that Jesus is guiding you in all things?

 

[ivanc0]

Nothing is twisted in quoting the Word in context. As for what you are to believe, it has become clear many folks will believe only what they decide to believe.

Abraham received the promise for His descendants to possess the Gate of their enemies. It does not matter whether it was before or after anything, it is a promise to him from the Father. His descendants are Israel who possess the Gate. The Gate is Yeshua, Jesus, and all may enter now who believe, and be with Israel, the Israel of God. What here is twisted? Nothing, all of this is written. There is no secret here. It is plain talk. All who love Jesus Christ are counted as adopted sons of Yahweh.

If you have a particular theoogy you wish to express, well that is your choice. I do not say you are wrong. Please do not say I twist what I am quoting for it is there for you to read or research. You should know all of this already though.

...In this respect I have to agree with you, I prefer to believe what I have Understood is the truth, and not what others have understood is.

In reference to try to exalt the JEW and try to make believe that people who believe in Christ will became an spiritual or adopted JEW I completely disagree with you, and more I could see for my Paul readings that that was exactly what Paul was fighting against.
He fully Understood the Jew and the Gentiles have different paths. (although He was a loyal Jew)

Now read revelacion 3:9, speaks to the ones who want to say they are jews, or pactice jew laws, without being a jew.

Please see romans 4:
11 He received the sign of circumcision as a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. The purpose was to make him the father of all who believe without being circumcised, so that righteousness would be counted to them as well, 12 and to make him the father of the circumcised who are not merely circumcised but who also walk in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised.


13 For the promise to Abraham and his offspring that he would be heir of the world did not come through the law but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if it is the adherents of the law who are to be the heirs, faith is null and the promise is void. 15 For the law brings wrath, but where there is no law there is no transgression.

So this is why all humanity could be blessed in Abraham. Because He lived by faith before the law existed.

Thanks

 

[Deadtosin]

maybe this will help.

I attended st Thomas the apostle- catholic school from K-2nd grade. I've learned the 10 commandments and they are etched into my earliest understandings of God. But we are past that. There isn't enough information there to keep going over it. The Teacher is with us. He still takes us through scripture, there are still things none of us know in there. Please don't think that is where I stand. it's just that was a 2nd grade(spiritually) textbook.

 

[RedTent]

Galatians 3

King James Version (KJV)

3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Paul is explaining to us that we do not have to go through the rituals of becoming a Jew in order to be saved, and he is calling these rituals the works of the law. Paul is from God, Paul believes in Christ and the words of Christ. Paul would never say that Moses was all wet in anything the Lord told him. Paul would not speak against Moses, for if he did then either Paul or the bible could not be trusted at all, for some of it could be done away with. Don't you trust God, Paul, and Christ?

This scripture is not saying that we should not listen to anything God spoke about in how to express love in our daily walk with the Lord. We CAN trust Paul! We CAN trust our creator! We CAN trust Christ. Christ said he didn't change the law, and we were to obey Him. Christ repeated and told us "I tell you" that we were to not only do the law, but we were to do it with love in our hearts from the Lord.

 

[Deadtosin]

I didn't say anything bad about Moses, Paul or Christ..... ?

 

[Deadtosin]

Nor did I say we shouldn't listen. I said it goes further than that.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Actual keeping the ten commandments through the word of the new covenant is what saves you

Then no one will be saved, Because only one person has kept them, And his name is Christ.

as i believe the ten commandments cover every eventuality You can take THAT as me thinking it is only works that saves or you could take it as works through faith, John 14:15 Jesus Promises the Holy Spirit
15"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. 16"I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

Again, No one has kept the law. All it can do is condemn. The ordances written in Stone (the ten commands) being a curse, not salvation.

2 cor:[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, [SUP]8 [/SUP]how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? [SUP]9 [/SUP]For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For if what is passing away was glorious, what remains is much more glorious.

 

[RedTent]

...In this respect I have to agree with you, I prefer to believe what I have Understood is the truth, and not what others have understood is.

In reference to try to exalt the JEW and try to make believe that people who believe in Christ will became an spiritual or adopted JEW I completely disagree with you, and more I could see for my Paul readings that that was exactly what Paul was fighting against.
He fully Understood the Jew and the Gentiles have different paths. (although He was a loyal Jew)

Now read revelacion 3:9, speaks to the ones who want to say they are jews, or pactice jew laws, without being a jew.

Please see romans 4:
11 He received the sign of circumcision as a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. The purpose was to make him the father of all who believe without being circumcised, so that righteousness would be counted to them as well, 12 and to make him the father of the circumcised who are not merely circumcised but who also walk in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised.


13 For the promise to Abraham and his offspring that he would be heir of the world did not come through the law but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if it is the adherents of the law who are to be the heirs, faith is null and the promise is void. 15 For the law brings wrath, but where there is no law there is no transgression.

So this is why all humanity could be blessed in Abraham. Because He lived by faith before the law existed.

Thanks

When God set the Jews apart from the people around them so they could live in spirit and truth, as we are asked to do, those people had a tough time of it and had to be sanctified and set apart. Just as you and I are to be. They lived in a superstitious, idol worshipping, drinking partying crowd without close family love like we are living. If they joined them, they were lost.

They didn't understand circumcision that is so necessary for you and I, too, but they needed to be circumcised. They even needed it for a label to show they were different. They were told to physically cut off a piece of the foreskin. The cutting wasn't important, just as it isn't for you and I, but the heart circumcision is important for both of us. So they were told to just do the physical part, and after we have the Holy Spirit and the written word available to each of us, we are told the physical isn't important, and might blind us to what is important about it. Does that make us different than they were? No. All this has been dissected and added to and changed so the entire concept of law and what it is and isn't has been jerked out of the spiritual teaching it is to give.

 

[RedTent]

Then no one will be saved, Because only one person has kept them, And his name is Christ.

Again, No one has kept the law. All it can do is condemn. The ordances written in Stone (the ten commands) being a curse, not salvation.

2 cor:[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, [SUP]8 [/SUP]how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? [SUP]9 [/SUP]For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For if what is passing away was glorious, what remains is much more glorious.

Yes, sin is a curse and the law outlines ways sin can be lived in everyday life. Sin is a curse. To say that means that the word of God telling us how to live to express God is a curse is a terrible thing to do.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I can just see Moses coming down the mountain with the ten commandments to see the church and you standing there with hands on hips telling Moses that Christ had come and wiped out anything he heard from God. Then telling David that his prayer was old hat, that Paul had come and wiped all talk of how to express love out, we had the Holy Spirit for that so he was to shut up.

And if they opened their mouth in protest, you could toss in all the great knowledge you all had gained, even learning Hebrew. With the early church's fight to keep the Jews from telling Christians it was God and not rituals they needed, they didn't have to be Jews, you could quote verse after verse to say the fight was against all of God's teachings except how the church interpreted that fight.

You could throw at Moses how we aren't under law for salvation, and when you tell him what Christ made obsolete and took the place of tell him how Moses was also made obsolete, and how smart the church is and what a stogy useless old man he is, and how he should just go away.

119th Psalm!! What an old fashioned, outdated idea!! Today's church does not allow it to be copied into a Christian site!!!

Moses would believe just what he was told.

Deuteronomy 27:26 ‘Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’ “And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’

And which paul confirmed to us in the NT

Galatians 3:10 [ The Law Brings a Curse ] For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”

And moses also knew what itwas given for. To lead us to Christ, as the schoolmaster (because Moses was not dumb enough to understand NO ONE could keep the law given in him in the way God demanded it.

And again Paul later confirmed

Galatians 3:13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”),

Which amazingly, Was the punishment God commanded who did not obey what Moses said was required.

Deuteronomy 21:22 "If a man has committed a sin deserving of death, and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, [SUP]23 [/SUP]his body shall not remain overnight on the tree, but you shall surely bury him that day, so that you do not defile the land which the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance; for he who is hanged is accursed of God.

Moses was not as ignorant of what the purpose of the law was as people want to make him. Jesus lets us know this himself!

Luke 16:31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’”

Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.

Luke 24:44 [ The Scriptures Opened ] Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.”

John 5:46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Ok as you have seen already that me and redtent has shared with you a sabbath day we have remembered. could you share one you have remembered. And when you say a day of rest does that mean you just sit on your couch and put your feet up all day ?

A day of rest means a day of rest. to rest from your work.

A day I remember? No. It is not a special day. It is a day of rest. Which I try to keep. but there are times I can not due to work. But it does not mean i do not do all I can to obey it.

 

[Zinzerio]

Originally Posted by ZINZERIO

Actual keeping the ten commandments through the word of the new covenant is what saves you

Then no one will be saved, Because only one person has kept them, And his name is Christ.

originaly posted by zinzerio

as i believe the ten commandments cover every eventuality You can take THAT as me thinking it is only works that saves or you could take it as works through faith, John 14:15 Jesus Promises the Holy Spirit
15"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. 16"I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

Again, No one has kept the law. All it can do is condemn. The ordances written in Stone (the ten commands) being a curse, not salvation.

2 cor:[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, [SUP]8 [/SUP]how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? [SUP]9 [/SUP]For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For if what is passing away was glorious, what remains is much more glorious.[/QUOTE]

I wasn't sure whether you would do this after reconciliation but you did you have purposely split my whole post to make me look bad
Now that i know you are trouble after reconciliation with i will put with other on my my one week ignore list.


Just for the record everybody this is what wrote in one paragraph Actual keeping the ten commandments through the word of the new covenant is what saves you as i believe the ten commandments cover every eventuality You can take THAT as me thinking it is only works that saves or you could take it as works through faith, John 14:15 Jesus Promises the Holy Spirit
15"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. 16"I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

if you can all look at eternily grateful post 133 and notice how he has split them up to make me look like a jehova, thanks mate god bless

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Sadly, you are completely wrong.



So what does this Christian life look like? Physically and practically, what do you do (if anything)? How do you live your life, practically?

Matthew 5:19
"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

I serve others. As God served me. That is what all Christians should look like. It is not obeying commands. All the commands can do is tell me how poorly I am doing, It can not show me how to be a christian.

What are we jews? trying to appease God by a law non of us can keep? and think that is what God wants??

As for the sabbath, There are times we need to serve others, And this would require work. Would this be a sin??

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Physically, practically, how are we to live as Christians saved by grace?

By Law?

No. We are cursed by the law because we cant keep it.

By Love? By the spirit?

Yes. And the law can not show us how to do either of those