a born-again Christian can never (keyword: never) lose their salvation

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eternally-gratefull

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You are saved as long as you act right in his kingdom. mess up and you will be kicked out. The very same way he did Satan.
You better be perfect then, Because God can set the standard, and his standard is perfection. 1 sin is all it take, no matter how small it is, If your right, you better be perfect from now until you die. period.

Good luck with that.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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How can you talk to someone that is not in the world. He was talking to the present and future that read the scriptures.
I guess you never heard of prophesy.

I give up man, You are in serious trouble if you can not figure out that basic tenant.
 

mailmandan

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Peter was just being hypocritical ,and ashamed of what his own people would think of him.
And that’s not messing up? Not being straightforward about the truth of the gospel is being hypocritical.
 

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eternally-gratefull

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I tell you what! just give up doing what you're doing in Christ,and see where it will get you
who would anyone want to do that?

Thats like telling a child who loves their parents to purposely misbehave so they can see if their parents will kick them out of the house and stop loving them.

I hope some day you find God. because he is not the mean old dictator who has no love your portraying him to be.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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How many people have endured to the end since Jesus Christ?

No one, Not one person, has christ arrived yet?

all we can do is hope we are there to see him return, if we do, praise God, ir we do not, God is not going to remove our salvation because he did not return before we died.
 
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theanointedsinner

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If u put your hand to the plow(get saved) and turn back .you are not fit for the kingdom of heaven. Enough said. You have to read and show yourself approved. Stop misleading people
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please define worthy

Luke 5:8-10
8 When Simon Peter saw this, he fell at Jesus’ knees and said, “Go away from me, Lord; I am a sinful man!” 9 For he and all his companions were astonished at the catch of fish they had taken, 10 and so were James and John, the sons of Zebedee, Simon’s partners.
Then Jesus said to Simon, “Don’t be afraid; from now on you will fish for people.”

Peter was not worthy, but Jesus accepted him

and also Romans 3:23 - all have fallen short of God's glory
Isaiah 6:5 - woe to me for I am a man of unclean lips
 

mailmandan

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Mr. 14menu
please define worthy

Luke 5:8-10
8 When Simon Peter saw this, he fell at Jesus’ knees and said, “Go away from me, Lord; I am a sinful man!” 9 For he and all his companions were astonished at the catch of fish they had taken, 10 and so were James and John, the sons of Zebedee, Simon’s partners.
Then Jesus said to Simon, “Don’t be afraid; from now on you will fish for people.”

Peter was not worthy, but Jesus accepted him

and also Romans 3:23 - all have fallen short of God's glory
Isaiah 6:5 - woe to me for I am a man of unclean lips
Good point. I don't believe that any of us are worthy "in of ourselves" of receiving salvation. Through FAITH, believers are "accounted as worthy" (Luke 20:35) and "accounted as righteous" because we believe in Him/trust in Christ alone for salvation and not in works (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9), but apart from the blood of Christ, we are not worthy and righteous "in of ourselves" (Romans 3:23-26).
 
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theanointedsinner

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Good point. I don't believe that any of us are worthy "in of ourselves" of receiving salvation. Through FAITH, believers are "accounted as worthy" (Luke 20:35) and "accounted as righteous" because we believe in Him/trust in Christ alone for salvation and not in works (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9), but apart from the blood of Christ, we are not worthy and righteous "in of ourselves" (Romans 3:23-26).
Even for psychologically scary verses in Matthew 10 where it keeps saying "not worthy of Jesus"?
 
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theanointedsinner

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Is being hypocritical no big deal? :unsure:
what if we are tempted to be hypocritical, and temptation can be so strong, it seems like it's more than just mere temptation?
 

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That was because they had not obtained all the knowledge and received the holy ghost which was to teach them. Peter was of the elect, on his way to be saved.
Don't you think the Disciples were saved as they walked with the living Savior before his crucifixion?

Matthew 16:16-17
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.


John 6:66-69
From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

Later the Apostles received the holy spirit.
John 7:38-39
He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)​
John 14:17
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.​
 

Gabriel2020

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You see., only the world, that has no Godly knowledge,, or taught by the holy spirit would agree with you, because it is not Godly wisdom a revelation from the holy spirit.
 

Gabriel2020

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Your avatar is satanic because it contains a pentagram, that might affect your salvation, careful.
I have to say this, but you have no revelation on this scripture. that is why you can say what you say.Peter was being an hypocrite, . it is a forgiveable sin.
 

Gabriel2020

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No one, Not one person, has christ arrived yet?

all we can do is hope we are there to see him return, if we do, praise God, ir we do not, God is not going to remove our salvation because he did not return before we died.
How can the dead that are gone continue to endure? They endured until their death.
 

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If Jesus said that unless one is born again, they cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. Then all that are born again are in the kingdom of heaven. Now come judgment day, we know that he will not judge the lost, because they have been condemned because of unbelief. But, he will judge those that are in the kingdom of heaven, and say to some. Depart from me, I never knew you. Ye workers of iniquty.
God is going to judge absolutely no one in heaven. Someone that is condemned would not be in heaven in the first place. Those that are born-again are not immediately in heaven but will die first and then resurrected. Your biblical understanding is very weak but that's alright, you just need to study and contemplate the word. I will pray for God to give you clarity of thought so you get into the word with a clear mind.