a born-again Christian can never (keyword: never) lose their salvation

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I have to say this, but you have no revelation on this scripture. that is why you can say what you say.Peter was being an hypocrite, . it is a forgiveable sin.
I say what I say because this whole "saved", "not saved" talk is ridiculous. Most claim to KNOW salvation. It is BS. Most people don't even know what their bibles are.

I was being sarcastic.
 

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God is going to judge absolutely no one in heaven. Someone that is condemned would not be in heaven in the first place. Those that are born-again are not immediately in heaven but will die first and then resurrected. Your biblical understanding is very weak but that's alright, you just need to study and contemplate the word. I will pray for God to give you clarity of thought so you get into the word with a clear mind.
I'm going to ask everyone that disagree with me this question, How do you know that you have been filled with the holy spirit? Because he is not teaching you the same thing he is teaching me. Or perhaps , they do not have eyes to see, or ears to hear. If you don't match my answer, then you are not spirit filled.
 

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I'm going to ask everyone that disagree with me this question, How do you know that you have been filled with the holy spirit? Because he is not teaching you the same thing he is teaching me. Or perhaps , they do not have eyes to see, or ears to hear. If you don't match my answer, then you are not spirit filled.
We are each a unique creation in Christ so it stands to reason that the Holy Spirit teaches as what we need to know based on what we already understand and how we are applying that in our lives. No one is going to match your answer, perhaps you are the one that is not spirit filled. You spiritual understanding seems to be lacking on even the most basic spiritual principals and concepts.
 

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We are each a unique creation in Christ so it stands to reason that the Holy Spirit teaches as what we need to know based on what we already understand and how we are applying that in our lives. No one is going to match your answer, perhaps you are the one that is not spirit filled. You spiritual understanding seems to be lacking on even the most basic spiritual principals and concepts.
WRONG ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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WRONG ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No, you just asked the wrong question. It is quite hard to reason with you as you seem to lack any spiritual wisdom and knowledge whatsoever. As I have said before, I will pray that God softens your heart and gives you spiritual glimpses that you can readily absorb and apply in how you live your life.
 

Gabriel2020

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No, you just asked the wrong question. It is quite hard to reason with you as you seem to lack any spiritual wisdom and knowledge whatsoever. As I have said before, I will pray that God softens your heart and gives you spiritual glimpses that you can readily absorb and apply in how you live your life.
WRONG ANSWER. Avoiding a simple question.
 

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Your avatar is satanic because it contains a pentagram, that might affect your salvation, careful.
I realize you said later that you were being sarcastic here. But just so that it is clear. This is a pentagram.
It is far older than what occult groups use it for today. Some Christians identify it as pertaining in its point order the five wounds of Christ. Though they realize he was not crucified spread eagle, as applies to the two bottom points.
 
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I realize you said later that you were being sarcastic here. But just so that it is clear. This is a pentagram.
It is far older than what occult groups use it for today. Some Christians identify it as pertaining in its point order the five wounds of Christ. Though they realize he was not crucified spread eagle, as applies to the two bottom points.
I know, satanism is a modern concept. Paganism spans back millennia. Trust me, I know.
 
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How can the dead that are gone continue to endure? They endured until their death.
That has no bearing on what God said, If they are dead, they can't. that is why it was NOT WRITTEN TO THEM.

Context would help you greatly, pulling passages out of scripture and making them stand alone to fit your belief system is what God us into this mess of different belief systems in the first place.

Matt 24: 9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. 10 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

The word Then means the things that follow will occur AFTER a set of events which were spoken before. what events were those?

“Take heed that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for [a]all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, [b]pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

Jesus is talking about the birth pangs, the sorrows. The events which will occure right up until the end, What happens at the end? Tribulation. Where there will be great tribulation, they will want to kill you, You will be hated by every nation who will come after you You will be betrayed by even your closed family members and loved ones, Love will grow cold. and selfishness will grow rampid, This does not even include all the things spoken of in revelation about such great tribulation which jesus said here is so great if he did not stop it, no flesh would survive.

This is the context of enduring to the end. Not eternal salvation.

The sorrows may have just begun (many think so) so the terms endure to the end does not even apply to us (as of yet) because the "THEN" has not occured yet.
 
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Tell me, Did the Prodigal son believe he was no longer a son?
He lost his inheritance through his abandonment of the family.


Did it matter that he THOUGHT he was no longer a son?
What mattered was the fact that he had lost his father's inheritance by abandoning him.


EVEN after repenting, he STILL said this:
Luke 15:21 And the son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight, and am no longer worthy to be called your son.’
The important point being here: He had to repent. He had to come back to his father.


His father had other thoughts didn't he? So it didn't matter that the son no longer thought he was his father's son.
What mattered is he lost his inheritance by leaving his father's estate.


The reality was that he was BORN his father's son.
And we see that did not keep him from losing the inheritance.


It's in his DNA. AND lest we forget, the 3 parables in Luke 15 were told one right after the other.
You're making a huge error by assuming all prodigals return home just because the one in the parable did. It was necessary that the son return home (repent). Not all do.


So why would God leave His faithful, obedient Children to retrieve the son that blew his inheritance, and cavorted with harlots? BECAUSE THE LOST PRODIGAL IS HIS KID!!!!!
But if the son doesn't come back he will have no part of his father's inheritance. The son becomes dead to the father.


It seems to me, that you do not believe you are currently a born again Child of God.
Born again, Spirit filled.
How do I know? I can see Jesus more and more in my behavior.
Popular 'once saved always saved' teaching tells us that we can't now if we are truly saved because that's measured by whether or not you ever leave. You won't know that until all opportunities for you to leave have been exhausted. In other words, you can't know you're truly saved until you die. And that's supposed to be the doctrine of security and assurance.



If I'm wrong, tell me how you can be a child of God, somehow, BECOME AN UNBORN CHILD OF GOD, because you would be admitting that at one point you WERE a Child of God.
How? By God taking his Spirit out of a person's body. Biblically, that's God cutting a person out of the vine and tossing them into the fire. Since you are the one stretching the parent/child analogy, why is impossible, according to your abuse of the analogy, for a parent to put their child in the fire, and that child no longer being around to be in line for the family inheritance/estate? The historical fact that they were born doesn't burn up with them, but they surely are no longer in line for the inheritance.
 

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He lost his inheritance through his abandonment of the family.



What mattered was the fact that he had lost his father's inheritance by abandoning him.



The important point being here: He had to repent. He had to come back to his father.



What mattered is he lost his inheritance by leaving his father's estate.



And we see that did not keep him from losing the inheritance.



You're making a huge error by assuming all prodigals return home just because the one in the parable did. It was necessary that the son return home (repent). Not all do.



But if the son doesn't come back he will have no part of his father's inheritance. The son becomes dead to the father.



Born again, Spirit filled.
How do I know? I can see Jesus more and more in my behavior.
Popular 'once saved always saved' teaching tells us that we can't now if we are truly saved because that's measured by whether or not you ever leave. You won't know that until all opportunities for you to leave have been exhausted. In other words, you can't know you're truly saved until you die. And that's supposed to be the doctrine of security and assurance.




How? By God taking his Spirit out of a person's body. Biblically, that's God cutting a person out of the vine and tossing them into the fire. Since you are the one stretching the parent/child analogy, why is impossible, according to your abuse of the analogy, for a parent to put their child in the fire, and that child no longer being around to be in line for the family inheritance/estate? The historical fact that they were born doesn't burn up with them, but they surely are no longer in line for the inheritance.
Sorry Ralph. You are missing major points of the Prodigal parable.

He STILL lost his inheritance. The father tells the older son that stayed faithful EVERYTHING THE FATHER HAS LEFT IS HIS.

So no, it's not a stretch at all to say the younger son, although IN THE KINGDOM, will not have the same position, rewards, whatever you want to call what happens at the Bema seat.

You're also missing that Jesus, as He said in Matthew 18 and elsewhere, is not going to lose a SINGLE lost sheep. That's why He leaves the 99 to go get the one.
Rest in the Truth Ralph that if you are His He will do whatever it takes that you remain His FOREVER!!!! Embrace it brother!
 
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Sorry Ralph. You are missing major points of the Prodigal parable.

He STILL lost his inheritance. The father tells the older son that stayed faithful EVERYTHING THE FATHER HAS LEFT IS HIS.

So no, it's not a stretch at all to say the younger son, although IN THE KINGDOM, will not have the same position, rewards, whatever you want to call what happens at the Bema seat.

You're also missing that Jesus, as He said in Matthew 18 and elsewhere, is not going to lose a SINGLE lost sheep. That's why He leaves the 99 to go get the one.
Rest in the Truth Ralph that if you are His He will do whatever it takes that you remain His FOREVER!!!! Embrace it brother!
Your last point is under the presumption that God has already "decided" on a set of sheep to pursue. The question still remains as to how he came to this decision, and how we as potential sheep can tell with certainty that we indeed are his.

Otherwise one can argue and say that we are all his sheep and that he won't forsake anyone of us.

Unfortunately there are a lot of conflicting texts on the issue and each can be interpreted in a vast number of ways, hence modern Christianity. There's a flavor for everyone.
 
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So no, it's not a stretch at all to say the younger son, although IN THE KINGDOM, will not have the same position, rewards, whatever you want to call what happens at the Bema seat.

You're also missing that Jesus, as He said in Matthew 18 and elsewhere, is not going to lose a SINGLE lost sheep. That's why He leaves the 99 to go get the one.
Did you and @mailmandan forget that 'real' believers don't ever leave?
 
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Seedz

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Did you and @mailmandan forget that 'real' believers don't ever leave?
Doesn't faith make you a believer? Doesn't faith come by hearing?

What about those that never "hear" the gospel? Their opportunity to believe is forfeited by default since there is an inherent error on how people are reached by the "truth" in the gospel. Faith can only come by hearing the gospel and the only mediums to deliver it are by mouth or text.

This is a major flaw in Christianity since it voids a personal revelation of the gospel since it is tied to a method of delivery that cannot be achieved unless a third part source is physically involved.

If anyone has a "revelation of God" and the gospel is not involved in some way, they are deemed heretics or lunatics.

This means that God only is accessible through faith, which comes from education on the Canonical text. There is no other way to know about Christianity unless you have a bible or a preacher.

The other problem involves whether the bible is being read "correctly" or the preacher is indeed holy spirit filled.

Go figure...