A Double Standard in Christianity?

[LactoseIntolerant]

Perhaps you missed this:

The head of the woman is the man.

There is only one context where that can be true of singular persons: marriage.

When a child is unmarried, who is her man? Is church the domain of the married?

 

[Dino246]

Okay, I can see where someone might think that I am judging their heart by such a statement.

When in reality, all I am doing is stating my belief about those who reject the kjv for what it says in other translations.

So, that it is not a judgment on any individual (or a pointing of the finger).

It is a basic statement about a certain type of person, that generally people of that type are of that type for a specific reason.

Any other examples?

Those were not comments about a type of person; they were comments about me personally.

Here's another directed at me in the Entire Sanctification thread:

@Dino246, it seems to be a pattern with you that you tend to disagree with holy scripture.

Here's another gem, directed at PostHuman in the Wet Paint thread:

You are in danger of hell fire (Matthew 5:22).

Another from the same thread, to me:

You are mistaken. I'm sorry that you can't see what is plainly in front of you (2 Corinthians 4:3-4). I will pray for you.

And these, to Absolutely in the Understanding the Trinity thread:

You would do well to believe in one God (James 2:19).

But you don't receive the word that I am saying to you because you have not been baptized in Jesus' Name (Luke 7:29-30).

I recall others but can't locate them just now. I've posted enough to prove the point.

 

[Dino246]

A father can also be in authority over his daughter.

When a child is unmarried, who is her man? Is church the domain of the married?

To you both, children are not mentioned in the context.

 

[justbyfaith]

Those were not comments about a type of person; they were comments about me personally.

They were comments about a type of person.

Those were not comments about a type of person; they were comments about me personally.

Here's another directed at me in the Entire Sanctification thread:



Here's another gem, directed at PostHuman in the Wet Paint thread:



Another from the same thread, to me:



And these, to Absolutely in the Understanding the Trinity thread:





I recall others but can't locate them just now. I've posted enough to prove the point.

Each example has scripture to substantiate the judgment that is made.

I believe that declaring the judgments of the Lord is not the same thing as personally making as judgment.

 

[justbyfaith]

To you both, children are not mentioned in the context.

The relationship of women to men is; as well as the authority of men over women.

If a woman is not married, the authority that is over her would be her father; another option might be the pastor; who biblically should always be a male.

 

[Dino246]

The relationship of women to men is; as well as the authority of men over women.

If a woman is not married, the authority that is over her would be her father; another option might be the pastor; who biblically should always be a male.

There is nothing in Scripture requiring pastors to be male. It's a common misconception, likely resulting from a combination of a priori beliefs and careless reading.

 

[Dino246]

Each example has scripture to substantiate the judgment that is made.

I believe that declaring the judgments of the Lord is not the same thing as personally making as judgment.

Do you think that quoting Scripture exempts you from being found guilty? Not even a little. You are still the one making the judgment. Those are not the judgments of the Lord.

 

[justbyfaith]

There is nothing in Scripture requiring pastors to be male. It's a common misconception, likely resulting from a combination of a priori beliefs and careless reading.

It is required of a pastor that they speak in church.

So, you are saying that it is alright in the sight of the Lord to do something that will bring shame on the church?

1Co 14:35, And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

 

[justbyfaith]

Do you think that quoting Scripture exempts you from being found guilty? Not even a little. You are still the one making the judgment. Those are not the judgments of the Lord.

If I say that homosexuality, fornication, idolatry, etc. are things by which a man shall not inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9-11), I am declaring the judgment of the Lord and am not making that judgment on my own.

 

[Dino246]

It is required of a pastor that they speak in church.

Where is that in Scripture?

 

[Dino246]

If I say that homosexuality, fornication, idolatry, etc. are things by which a man shall not inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9-11), I am declaring the judgment of the Lord and am not making that judgment on my own.

However, if you quote at another person a passage of Scripture that declares a judgment or makes an obvious implication, you are judging that individual. The posts above record you doing exactly that several times.

 

[justbyfaith]

Where is that in Scripture?

It is a first truth.

Pastors are called to preach and teach. You cannot do that without speaking.

 

[justbyfaith]

However, if you quote at another person a passage of Scripture that declares a judgment or makes an obvious implication, you are judging that individual. The posts above record you doing exactly that several times.

Okay, guilty as charged.

It's underneath the blood, anyway.

 

[Dino246]

It is a first truth.

Never heard of such a widget. I think you're inventing things to support your position again.

Pastors are called to preach and teach. You cannot do that without speaking.

And again, where is that in Scripture?

 

[justbyfaith]

Okay, I''ll play along...

In a church that is primarily deaf...you can have a woman pastor who does the preaching by signing to the congregation.

 

[justbyfaith]

First truths are something that was originally talked about by the great revivalist Charles Finney...

He referred to them as truths that are so obviously true that they do not need any other substantiation as support for their declaration.

 

[Dino246]

Okay, I''ll play along...

In a church that is primarily deaf...you can have a woman pastor who does the preaching by signing to the congregation.

So, am I to conclude that you can't find any Scripture that says what you claim?

 

[justbyfaith]

So, am I to conclude that you can't find any Scripture that says what you claim?

Are you of the opinion that someone in the position of pastor can do their job without preaching and/or teaching?

 

[Dino246]

Are you of the opinion that someone in the position of pastor can do their job without preaching and/or teaching?

I'm not going to play games with you. Either quote the Scripture that substantiates your claim, or concede that there is no such Scripture.

 

[ewq1938]

It is a first truth.

Pastors are called to preach and teach. You cannot do that without speaking.

1Ti 2:7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
1Ti 2:8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
1Ti 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
1Ti 2:10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Paul is clearly speaking on what he doesn't care for, not what Lord demands. Verse 12 is clear enough on plus in verse 9 Paul is against women wearing gold, pearls or anything that is costly as well as not having broided hair which means braided hair.


Do you agree with Paul on those things also? That means no gold which would include wedding rings, which are usually of gold and costly. He also thinks women "shamefacedness" which means to have downcast eyes in bashfulness. That rules out any smiling or laughing. Hopefully Pastor doesn't tell a joke lest he cause women to shame themselves by reacting.