A empowered and working grace
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matthew 12:43-45 "When an evil spirit comes out of a man, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. 44Then it says, ‘I will return to the house I left.’ When it arrives, it finds the house unoccupied, swept clean and put in order. 45Then it goes and takes with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that person is worse than the first. That is how it will be with this wicked generation.”
gotta fill the empty rooms with the spirit of God after we clean em... " the words i have spoken to you are spirit, and they are Life"
gotta fill the empty rooms with the spirit of God after we clean em... " the words i have spoken to you are spirit, and they are Life"
Saul who was anointed King and His Seer (Samuel)
It says here
1 Sam 9:9 (Beforetime in Israel, when a man went to enquire of God, thus he spake, Come, and let us go to the seer: for he that is now called a Prophet was beforetime called a Seer.)
And as we can see here
1 Sam 9:19 And Samuel answered Saul, and said, I am the seer
The acknowledgement of his sin
1 Sam 15:24 And Saul said unto Samuel, I have sinned: for I have transgressed the commandment of the LORD, and thy words: because I feared the people, and obeyed their voice.
1 Sam 15:25 Now therefore,I pray thee, pardon my sin, and turn again with me, that I may worship the LORD.
Saul become so desparate to hear from God after Samuel he did worse and went to a woman who dealt with familiar spirits to call up Samuel from the dead (his Seer)
And Saul said to Samuel (called up) God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: thereforeI have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do.
1 Sam 28:16 Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the LORD is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy?
Saul and David are both shown confessing their sins to Seers or Prophets
David who was King with the Prophet Nathan
2 Samuel 12:13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.
David with Seer Gad
2 Sam 24:10 And David's heart smote him after that he had numbered the people. And David said unto the LORD, I have sinned greatly in that I have done: and now, I beseech thee, O LORD, take away the iniquity of thy servant; for I have done very foolishly.
2 Samuel 24:11 For when David was up in the morning, the word of the LORD came unto the prophet Gad, David's seer, saying,
2 Sam 24:12 Go and say unto David, Thus saith the LORD, I offer thee three things; choose thee one of them, that I may do it unto thee.
2 Sam 24:13 So Gad came to David, and told him, and said unto him, Shall seven years of famine come unto thee in thy land? or wilt thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue thee? or that there be three days' pestilence in thy land? now advise, and see what answer I shall return to him that sent me.
2 Sam 24:14 And David said unto Gad, I am in a great strait: let us fall now into the hand of the LORD; for his mercies are great: and let me not fall into the hand of man.
2 Sam 24:15 So the LORD sent a pestilence upon Israel from the morning even to the time appointed: and there died of the people from Dan even to Beersheba seventy thousand men.
It says here
1 Sam 9:9 (Beforetime in Israel, when a man went to enquire of God, thus he spake, Come, and let us go to the seer: for he that is now called a Prophet was beforetime called a Seer.)
And as we can see here
1 Sam 9:19 And Samuel answered Saul, and said, I am the seer
The acknowledgement of his sin
1 Sam 15:24 And Saul said unto Samuel, I have sinned: for I have transgressed the commandment of the LORD, and thy words: because I feared the people, and obeyed their voice.
1 Sam 15:25 Now therefore,I pray thee, pardon my sin, and turn again with me, that I may worship the LORD.
Saul become so desparate to hear from God after Samuel he did worse and went to a woman who dealt with familiar spirits to call up Samuel from the dead (his Seer)
And Saul said to Samuel (called up) God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: thereforeI have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do.
1 Sam 28:16 Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the LORD is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy?
Saul and David are both shown confessing their sins to Seers or Prophets
David who was King with the Prophet Nathan
2 Samuel 12:13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.
David with Seer Gad
2 Sam 24:10 And David's heart smote him after that he had numbered the people. And David said unto the LORD, I have sinned greatly in that I have done: and now, I beseech thee, O LORD, take away the iniquity of thy servant; for I have done very foolishly.
2 Samuel 24:11 For when David was up in the morning, the word of the LORD came unto the prophet Gad, David's seer, saying,
2 Sam 24:12 Go and say unto David, Thus saith the LORD, I offer thee three things; choose thee one of them, that I may do it unto thee.
2 Sam 24:13 So Gad came to David, and told him, and said unto him, Shall seven years of famine come unto thee in thy land? or wilt thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue thee? or that there be three days' pestilence in thy land? now advise, and see what answer I shall return to him that sent me.
2 Sam 24:14 And David said unto Gad, I am in a great strait: let us fall now into the hand of the LORD; for his mercies are great: and let me not fall into the hand of man.
2 Sam 24:15 So the LORD sent a pestilence upon Israel from the morning even to the time appointed: and there died of the people from Dan even to Beersheba seventy thousand men.
It is obvious you did not read the commentary that I put up to consider the verse about the Lord sending an "evil' spirit that the Hebrew word for "evil" has many meanings according to the commentary - I will give it to you again so that you can see what was said.
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This wasn’t an evil spirit in the sense that it was demonic. This was a godly spirit from the Lord. The word “evil” doesn’t only mean :
“1. Morally bad or wrong; wicked”; it also means
“2. Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful.”
This godly angel was judgment and punishment on Saul for his wickedness. So, in that sense, this was an “evil” angel. It brought God’s harmful and injurious judgment and punishment upon Saul.
Andrew Wommack's Living Commentary.
Unquote:
Here is an example of the Hebrew word for "evil" being used in the sense of 2) above ( 2. Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful ) and there are many that are like this.
In the below verse it is called "sore" because of what it does....causing injury, sickness
Deuteronomy 28:35 (NASB)
[SUP]35 [/SUP] "The LORD will strike you on the knees and legs with sore boils, from which you cannot be healed, from the sole of your foot to the crown of your head.
Here is another one where the word is translated "adversity". which is 2. Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful
Psalm 10:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] He says to himself, "I will not be moved; Throughout all generations I will not be in adversity."
So your attempts to malign me saying that "I" am calling evil good will not work. I know how this game is played.
I do however understand your need to make it look like I am saying that evil is good. That's a gimmie and very obvious through your many "veiled" attempts at doing it. Don't forget about who we associate with affects us - 1 Cor 15:33
I bless you in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
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This wasn’t an evil spirit in the sense that it was demonic. This was a godly spirit from the Lord. The word “evil” doesn’t only mean :
“1. Morally bad or wrong; wicked”; it also means
“2. Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful.”
This godly angel was judgment and punishment on Saul for his wickedness. So, in that sense, this was an “evil” angel. It brought God’s harmful and injurious judgment and punishment upon Saul.
Andrew Wommack's Living Commentary.
Unquote:
Here is an example of the Hebrew word for "evil" being used in the sense of 2) above ( 2. Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful ) and there are many that are like this.
In the below verse it is called "sore" because of what it does....causing injury, sickness
Deuteronomy 28:35 (NASB)
[SUP]35 [/SUP] "The LORD will strike you on the knees and legs with sore boils, from which you cannot be healed, from the sole of your foot to the crown of your head.
Here is another one where the word is translated "adversity". which is 2. Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful
Psalm 10:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] He says to himself, "I will not be moved; Throughout all generations I will not be in adversity."
So your attempts to malign me saying that "I" am calling evil good will not work. I know how this game is played.
I do however understand your need to make it look like I am saying that evil is good. That's a gimmie and very obvious through your many "veiled" attempts at doing it. Don't forget about who we associate with affects us - 1 Cor 15:33
I bless you in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
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The fascination with certainty
Walking with God is a simple question, what is love and do we believe in it?
The focus could be changed, who is God and do we believe in Him?
So some reduce salvation to an emotional or contractual event. But the point about
contracts is the small print, and what you are agreeing to.
If the contract says to fulfill the contract you need to become something, to be
transformed, and you refuse and then say the terms said you would give me what you
promised. But this is foolish talk, because the issuer of the contract defines the terms
not the party who signs.
Living things start, and once fed grow, but also can die.
The seed and the sower. The plant is sown and grows. But some dies, some gets
smothered.
The vine and the branches. Some branches wither and die.
But this is just a warning to not take for granted your position or let pride enter
your heart and say "I am chosen, so behaviour does not matter, I am secure".
Now the power of God is love, shown through the cross. It is transforming, humbling,
it shines a light on our motives and our goals. It puts everything into perspective.
So if you flow with love embedded in Christ, your heart is open, purity and life dwell
within you, then amen, and halleluyah.
Only the enemies of Christ come and condemn people such as these.
So if you want to know what is with the Lord and what is not, just see where they
position themselves against those who stand following Jesus and walking in the light.
Angels of light that spew poison are not angels of light.
Walking with God is a simple question, what is love and do we believe in it?
The focus could be changed, who is God and do we believe in Him?
So some reduce salvation to an emotional or contractual event. But the point about
contracts is the small print, and what you are agreeing to.
If the contract says to fulfill the contract you need to become something, to be
transformed, and you refuse and then say the terms said you would give me what you
promised. But this is foolish talk, because the issuer of the contract defines the terms
not the party who signs.
Living things start, and once fed grow, but also can die.
The seed and the sower. The plant is sown and grows. But some dies, some gets
smothered.
The vine and the branches. Some branches wither and die.
But this is just a warning to not take for granted your position or let pride enter
your heart and say "I am chosen, so behaviour does not matter, I am secure".
Now the power of God is love, shown through the cross. It is transforming, humbling,
it shines a light on our motives and our goals. It puts everything into perspective.
So if you flow with love embedded in Christ, your heart is open, purity and life dwell
within you, then amen, and halleluyah.
Only the enemies of Christ come and condemn people such as these.
So if you want to know what is with the Lord and what is not, just see where they
position themselves against those who stand following Jesus and walking in the light.
Angels of light that spew poison are not angels of light.
Walking after truth in the word of God
Was the evil spirit sent to Saul a demon or a good angel of judgement?
If you believe God only blesses His people and never brings judgement, neither work.
It is judgement both ways, whether a demon is used or a good judging angel.
What it demonstrates is the HG camp hate the idea of judgement on Gods people.
But Saul is an example of a chosen man, who fails and is then judged and rejected.
I would say the real issue is, does God declare himself as arbitrary in His judgements.
He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he.
Deut 32:4
God does not sin, doing something that is unjust or wrong.
God does talk to evil spirits.
One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them. The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”
Job 1:6-7
So I am wondering why is there an issue.
Except for HG followers who need to explain Gods judgement away, ofcourse.
Was the evil spirit sent to Saul a demon or a good angel of judgement?
If you believe God only blesses His people and never brings judgement, neither work.
It is judgement both ways, whether a demon is used or a good judging angel.
What it demonstrates is the HG camp hate the idea of judgement on Gods people.
But Saul is an example of a chosen man, who fails and is then judged and rejected.
I would say the real issue is, does God declare himself as arbitrary in His judgements.
He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he.
Deut 32:4
God does not sin, doing something that is unjust or wrong.
God does talk to evil spirits.
One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them. The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”
Job 1:6-7
So I am wondering why is there an issue.
Except for HG followers who need to explain Gods judgement away, ofcourse.
Without God forgiving us through the cross, and the cross transforming us through
repentance, we cannot enter into Gods presence. Is that what you mean?
Who Israelite or Christian thinks they see God on their own merit?
None of them, or else they would not be an Israelite or Christian.
Therefore, brothers and sisters, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way opened for us through the curtain, that is, his body, and since we have a great priest over the house of God, let us draw near to God with a sincere heart and with the full assurance that faith brings, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water.
Heb 10:19-22
But you guys do not understand this, because you keep on leaving it out.
You talk about grace all the time, and not about Jesus. Who is this Grace?
Please read the verses above, it is all about Jesus and not Grace.
repentance, we cannot enter into Gods presence. Is that what you mean?
Who Israelite or Christian thinks they see God on their own merit?
None of them, or else they would not be an Israelite or Christian.
Therefore, brothers and sisters, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way opened for us through the curtain, that is, his body, and since we have a great priest over the house of God, let us draw near to God with a sincere heart and with the full assurance that faith brings, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water.
Heb 10:19-22
But you guys do not understand this, because you keep on leaving it out.
You talk about grace all the time, and not about Jesus. Who is this Grace?
Please read the verses above, it is all about Jesus and not Grace.
Grace - Do I fully understand this word?
Peace, mercy and grace are all used together as attributes of attitude.
I come in peace - I come to bring an end to disagreements between us.
I come in mercy - I come willing to forgive things I have against you.
I come in grace - I am prepared to work with a failed situation and make it better.
This appears to be how grace is pictured in scripture to me.
To make grace into a thing, that exceeds all of this, rather than is a summary of
Gods approach to us, seems an error.
But then if you never believe we become worthy and righteous, a finished work
in Gods eyes then continual and constant grace is our only hope, though this seems
to be universalism in one form.
Peace, mercy and grace are all used together as attributes of attitude.
I come in peace - I come to bring an end to disagreements between us.
I come in mercy - I come willing to forgive things I have against you.
I come in grace - I am prepared to work with a failed situation and make it better.
This appears to be how grace is pictured in scripture to me.
To make grace into a thing, that exceeds all of this, rather than is a summary of
Gods approach to us, seems an error.
But then if you never believe we become worthy and righteous, a finished work
in Gods eyes then continual and constant grace is our only hope, though this seems
to be universalism in one form.
Originally Posted by PeterJens
Walking after truth in the word of God
Was the evil spirit sent to Saul a demon or a good angel of judgement?
If you believe God only blesses His people and never brings judgement, neither work.
It is judgement both ways, whether a demon is used or a good judging angel.
What it demonstrates is the HG camp hate the idea of judgement on Gods people.
But Saul is an example of a chosen man, who fails and is then judged and rejected.
I would say the real issue is, does God declare himself as arbitrary in His judgements.
He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he.
Deut 32:4
God does not sin, doing something that is unjust or wrong.
God does talk to evil spirits.
One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them. The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”
Job 1:6-7
So I am wondering why is there an issue.
Except for HG followers who need to explain Gods judgement away, ofcourse.
Walking after truth in the word of God
Was the evil spirit sent to Saul a demon or a good angel of judgement?
If you believe God only blesses His people and never brings judgement, neither work.
It is judgement both ways, whether a demon is used or a good judging angel.
What it demonstrates is the HG camp hate the idea of judgement on Gods people.
But Saul is an example of a chosen man, who fails and is then judged and rejected.
I would say the real issue is, does God declare himself as arbitrary in His judgements.
He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he.
Deut 32:4
God does not sin, doing something that is unjust or wrong.
God does talk to evil spirits.
One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them. The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”
Job 1:6-7
So I am wondering why is there an issue.
Except for HG followers who need to explain Gods judgement away, ofcourse.