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The WORD of GOD is living and active.
Very, very active...and it brings us back in line to HIS WORD, HIS SPIRIT, HIS TRUTH...
Why did you think you had to bring all your works into the LIGHT but so as to see what is wrought IN GOD...
...from what isn't.
Can you make a right judgment concerning Saul and David by what they did?
Very, very active...and it brings us back in line to HIS WORD, HIS SPIRIT, HIS TRUTH...
Why did you think you had to bring all your works into the LIGHT but so as to see what is wrought IN GOD...
...from what isn't.
Can you make a right judgment concerning Saul and David by what they did?
These two posts are not connected.
I am also told what I believe, and why and what I am doing.
What is amusing is this is not correct, and though an obvious construction
or straw man, it is also a statement that I am not a christian.
"they failed to come to Christ and believe in what He did"
So it is a lie, and shows no respect, which is odd from someone who claims to
know and follow Christ.
It is also odd for someone who spent months condemning straw men, but then
hypocracy is what they do as well as lie about others.
I am also told what I believe, and why and what I am doing.
What is amusing is this is not correct, and though an obvious construction
or straw man, it is also a statement that I am not a christian.
"they failed to come to Christ and believe in what He did"
So it is a lie, and shows no respect, which is odd from someone who claims to
know and follow Christ.
It is also odd for someone who spent months condemning straw men, but then
hypocracy is what they do as well as lie about others.
Originally Posted by PeterJens
Walking after truth in the word of God
Was the evil spirit sent to Saul a demon or a good angel of judgement?
If you believe God only blesses His people and never brings judgement, neither work.
It is judgement both ways, whether a demon is used or a good judging angel.
What it demonstrates is the HG camp hate the idea of judgement on Gods people.
But Saul is an example of a chosen man, who fails and is then judged and rejected.
I would say the real issue is, does God declare himself as arbitrary in His judgements.
He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he.
Deut 32:4
God does not sin, doing something that is unjust or wrong.
God does talk to evil spirits.
One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them. The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”
Job 1:6-7
So I am wondering why is there an issue.
Except for HG followers who need to explain Gods judgement away, ofcourse.
Walking after truth in the word of God
Was the evil spirit sent to Saul a demon or a good angel of judgement?
If you believe God only blesses His people and never brings judgement, neither work.
It is judgement both ways, whether a demon is used or a good judging angel.
What it demonstrates is the HG camp hate the idea of judgement on Gods people.
But Saul is an example of a chosen man, who fails and is then judged and rejected.
I would say the real issue is, does God declare himself as arbitrary in His judgements.
He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he.
Deut 32:4
God does not sin, doing something that is unjust or wrong.
God does talk to evil spirits.
One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them. The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”
Job 1:6-7
So I am wondering why is there an issue.
Except for HG followers who need to explain Gods judgement away, ofcourse.
These two posts are not connected.
I am also told what I believe, and why and what I am doing.
What is amusing is this is not correct, and though an obvious construction
or straw man, it is also a statement that I am not a christian.
"they failed to come to Christ and believe in what He did"
So it is a lie, and shows no respect, which is odd from someone who claims to
know and follow Christ.
It is also odd for someone who spent months condemning straw men, but then
hypocracy is what they do as well as lie about others.
Are you making a wrong judgment?
You shall know them by their fruits, but if you can't make a right judgment between the works of GOD from the works of the "wrong father"...that isn't a problem with GOD, it is a problem in us...
Whatever is lovely?
Remember it...and the PEACE of GOD which surpasses ALL UNDERSTANDING will, will, will guard our hearts and our minds IN, IN, IN CHRIST JESUS...
What did YOU go out to see?
You see, those who had the law and all the workings of the law loved to hear John speak but they didn't want to do what John told them to do.
By doing that they prove that they needed to be washed...and this before the eyes of the common (unclean) folk!!!!
I am also told what I believe, and why and what I am doing.
What is amusing is this is not correct, and though an obvious construction
or straw man, it is also a statement that I am not a christian.
"they failed to come to Christ and believe in what He did"
So it is a lie, and shows no respect, which is odd from someone who claims to
know and follow Christ.
It is also odd for someone who spent months condemning straw men, but then
hypocracy is what they do as well as lie about others.
Originally Posted by PeterJens
Walking after truth in the word of God
Was the evil spirit sent to Saul a demon or a good angel of judgement?
If you believe God only blesses His people and never brings judgement, neither work.
It is judgement both ways, whether a demon is used or a good judging angel.
What it demonstrates is the HG camp hate the idea of judgement on Gods people.
But Saul is an example of a chosen man, who fails and is then judged and rejected.
I would say the real issue is, does God declare himself as arbitrary in His judgements.
He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he.
Deut 32:4
God does not sin, doing something that is unjust or wrong.
God does talk to evil spirits.
One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them. The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”
Job 1:6-7
So I am wondering why is there an issue.
Except for HG followers who need to explain Gods judgement away, ofcourse.
Walking after truth in the word of God
Was the evil spirit sent to Saul a demon or a good angel of judgement?
If you believe God only blesses His people and never brings judgement, neither work.
It is judgement both ways, whether a demon is used or a good judging angel.
What it demonstrates is the HG camp hate the idea of judgement on Gods people.
But Saul is an example of a chosen man, who fails and is then judged and rejected.
I would say the real issue is, does God declare himself as arbitrary in His judgements.
He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he.
Deut 32:4
God does not sin, doing something that is unjust or wrong.
God does talk to evil spirits.
One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them. The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”
Job 1:6-7
So I am wondering why is there an issue.
Except for HG followers who need to explain Gods judgement away, ofcourse.
You shall know them by their fruits, but if you can't make a right judgment between the works of GOD from the works of the "wrong father"...that isn't a problem with GOD, it is a problem in us...
Whatever is lovely?
Remember it...and the PEACE of GOD which surpasses ALL UNDERSTANDING will, will, will guard our hearts and our minds IN, IN, IN CHRIST JESUS...
What did YOU go out to see?
You see, those who had the law and all the workings of the law loved to hear John speak but they didn't want to do what John told them to do.
By doing that they prove that they needed to be washed...and this before the eyes of the common (unclean) folk!!!!
Well, it's not important to me...but it SHOULD be important to YOU...
You see, satan can't cast out GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT...when the STRONG MAN comes...the STRONG MAN comes...and to whom the STRONG MAN comes, knows THE STRONG MAN and greater is HE who is in us, than "itty bitty he" who is in the world...
Satan has NO POWER over those who are IN, IN, IN CHRIST JESUS...
You see, satan can't cast out GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT...when the STRONG MAN comes...the STRONG MAN comes...and to whom the STRONG MAN comes, knows THE STRONG MAN and greater is HE who is in us, than "itty bitty he" who is in the world...
Satan has NO POWER over those who are IN, IN, IN CHRIST JESUS...
LOL...most do not understand the SIGNIFICANCE between the WORKS of GOD from the works of the "wrong father"?
Well, then they should keep their mouths closed and be slow to speak...and still their flesh.
Is that clear?
They are better to wait for HIM than to "go out" and misrepresent HIM since they do NOT know HIS SPIRIT.
Well, then they should keep their mouths closed and be slow to speak...and still their flesh.
Is that clear?
They are better to wait for HIM than to "go out" and misrepresent HIM since they do NOT know HIS SPIRIT.
You are judging things I do not judge. Judgment for me is about the consequences
of behaviour and the reasons why this behaviour is followed.
Saul was judged for not obeying Gods commands to him with regard his enemies.
Mary was judged as loving because of her debt to Jesus for the forgiveness of her
sins, and Judas was judged for his final betrayal of Jesus.
It appears you follow a different teaching.
of behaviour and the reasons why this behaviour is followed.
Saul was judged for not obeying Gods commands to him with regard his enemies.
Mary was judged as loving because of her debt to Jesus for the forgiveness of her
sins, and Judas was judged for his final betrayal of Jesus.
It appears you follow a different teaching.
Here's another thing, look at Peter and James who saw that the Samaritan Village did not accept the TRUTH and what did they ask THE LORD?
Or, how about the ungrateful servant who had been forgiven yet he didn't understand GRACE and went and decided he needed "better works" and better treasures?
Similar to the difference between Naaman and Gehazzi, don't you agree?
One had many works but had no wholeness...one (thought) he had wholeness but liked the trinkets better...
No different than Judas as well...
No different than Mary who knew what she had did not make her WHOLE!
Or, how about the ungrateful servant who had been forgiven yet he didn't understand GRACE and went and decided he needed "better works" and better treasures?
Similar to the difference between Naaman and Gehazzi, don't you agree?
One had many works but had no wholeness...one (thought) he had wholeness but liked the trinkets better...
No different than Judas as well...
No different than Mary who knew what she had did not make her WHOLE!
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There seems to be a pattern with you. You get corrected and you spin away with stuff like this. How could Saul lose a salvation he never had under the Old Covenant?
You have not changed in the least bit, still got your girlfriend and number one fan on here[pilgrim something] and the two of you continue to try to be the smartest people on the site....the funny thing is it is the little things like this that give you away.
You have not changed in the least bit, still got your girlfriend and number one fan on here[pilgrim something] and the two of you continue to try to be the smartest people on the site....the funny thing is it is the little things like this that give you away.
I see your construct. You are saying David had the Holy Spirit, and through the music
the evil spirit or satan left Saul.
You seem to be implying you have something strong and I do not. Unfortunately this is
based upon what? Whether I agree with the lies Grace777 is saying and your agreement
with them.
Now if this is the level of your claim on knowing Christ, you have just shown how deceived
you are. This is all make believe projection, not even related to the Kingdom of Heaven etc.
Lying is simply wrong. And if you cannot see this, your great spiritual insight is hocum.
Does the Lord listen to me? Did Paul hand over people to satan so they might be rebuked,
and saved or not? Should I ask the Lord to do this to you?
I do not believe this is the Lords will here, because simply you are plainly wrong, maybe with
a good heart, but you are just listening to the wrong people in the wrong way.
But my friend, does satan exalt Christ and call people to repent? Is his goal to encourage
people to know love and righteousness, to walk with a pure heart and gain life and victory
into eternal life through the shedding of Jesus's blood?
Once you go to calling this of the enemy, you have become the enemy.
Maybe you do not see this, but the whole plan is to do this within the church, to make
people believe the enemy is within, and hunting it out and confronting it is Gods ministry,
when it is just self destruction, using the disillusioned within the church as the vessels.
the evil spirit or satan left Saul.
You seem to be implying you have something strong and I do not. Unfortunately this is
based upon what? Whether I agree with the lies Grace777 is saying and your agreement
with them.
Now if this is the level of your claim on knowing Christ, you have just shown how deceived
you are. This is all make believe projection, not even related to the Kingdom of Heaven etc.
Lying is simply wrong. And if you cannot see this, your great spiritual insight is hocum.
Does the Lord listen to me? Did Paul hand over people to satan so they might be rebuked,
and saved or not? Should I ask the Lord to do this to you?
I do not believe this is the Lords will here, because simply you are plainly wrong, maybe with
a good heart, but you are just listening to the wrong people in the wrong way.
But my friend, does satan exalt Christ and call people to repent? Is his goal to encourage
people to know love and righteousness, to walk with a pure heart and gain life and victory
into eternal life through the shedding of Jesus's blood?
Once you go to calling this of the enemy, you have become the enemy.
Maybe you do not see this, but the whole plan is to do this within the church, to make
people believe the enemy is within, and hunting it out and confronting it is Gods ministry,
when it is just self destruction, using the disillusioned within the church as the vessels.
miknik5 - You have listened to preachers who have taken every example is scripture
or possibly you by yourself and turned it into legalism verses grace.
Yes you could do this, but it is reading in something that is not there.
Mary was expressing appreciation to Jesus. Jesus is recognising this gift of love Mary
is giving. It is my friend, a free gift of love, real love, something pure, holy, fantastic,
and Jesus is acknowledging it, and saying throughout history this one act will be remembered.
And it makes me cry, because I understand it, because if I could have been there and do something
then I would have.
But this level of emotion, of the honour given both ways passes you by. I know this because
you do not mention it, but to me it is like a blaze of light shooting up to heaven.
And the reason is you see your gospel here, its success and failure, and I see the love of a
a woman who loved Christ and her expression of this love.
So do you see how our gospels are reflected in what we notice.
But I know also you will not see what I am writing, only those who like me know the Lord as
I do, what a King.
or possibly you by yourself and turned it into legalism verses grace.
Yes you could do this, but it is reading in something that is not there.
Mary was expressing appreciation to Jesus. Jesus is recognising this gift of love Mary
is giving. It is my friend, a free gift of love, real love, something pure, holy, fantastic,
and Jesus is acknowledging it, and saying throughout history this one act will be remembered.
And it makes me cry, because I understand it, because if I could have been there and do something
then I would have.
But this level of emotion, of the honour given both ways passes you by. I know this because
you do not mention it, but to me it is like a blaze of light shooting up to heaven.
And the reason is you see your gospel here, its success and failure, and I see the love of a
a woman who loved Christ and her expression of this love.
So do you see how our gospels are reflected in what we notice.
But I know also you will not see what I am writing, only those who like me know the Lord as
I do, what a King.
No one was born of the HOLY SPIRIT...in those days, the HOLY SPIRIT fell upon those whom GOD chose the HOLY SPIRIT to fall on...
THE PROMISE would come only through THE SON...who by HIS SEED we are reborn and made a NEW CREATION in HIM through THE LIVE GIVING, LIVING WATER poured out upon those who believe in THE WORD and PROMISE of GOD found in and only in HIS SON.