A keeping of a sabbath is left to GOD's people
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When is the first or the last time you have read a post of mine telling anyone they must observe the Seventh Day as the Sabbath? I can tell you. Never. I confess freely I do observe it on the Seventh Day, but never have I thought to forbid in mind, heart or soul to tell others when they should. Please do not put claims on me that I have not made.
Also, folks are stating in this thread that somehow we all are supposed to observe Sunday. Anyone may do this if they have a clear conscience doing so.
My thinking and belief is quite simple. There is a commandment to rest from our labor on the Seventh Day, to mark it and keep it separate (holy), from those other six days, with the Father. There is none anywhere stating that day has been changed, none.
Also, folks are stating in this thread that somehow we all are supposed to observe Sunday. Anyone may do this if they have a clear conscience doing so.
My thinking and belief is quite simple. There is a commandment to rest from our labor on the Seventh Day, to mark it and keep it separate (holy), from those other six days, with the Father. There is none anywhere stating that day has been changed, none.
But if we read this...
Exo 16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
Why did Christ (this was Christ speaking) say "How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?"
Here is why...
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Notice this Command is not new, Christ says here to REMEMBER the Sabbath day. Now why did He say remember?
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
When did God create the Sabbath by blessing it and hallowing (made holy) it? The week of creation. 2500 years is not insignificant by any stretch of the imagination.
Exo 16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
Why did Christ (this was Christ speaking) say "How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?"
Here is why...
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Notice this Command is not new, Christ says here to REMEMBER the Sabbath day. Now why did He say remember?
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
When did God create the Sabbath by blessing it and hallowing (made holy) it? The week of creation. 2500 years is not insignificant by any stretch of the imagination.
This is patently false. The day here is the first Sabbath of the seven Sabbaths of the counting to the Feast of Pentecost...
The Diaglott has it...
Act 20:7 In and the first of the sabbaths, having been assembled of us to break bread, the Paul discoursed to them, being about to depart on the morrow; continued and the discourse till midnight.
The word translated here week is Sabbaton.
Here is what Dr. Bullinger has to say about it...
Acts 20:7
first, &c. = first day of the sabbaths, i.e. the first day for reckoning the seven sabbaths to Pentecost. It depended upon the harvest (Deu_16:9), and was always from the morrow after the weekly sabbath when the wave sheaf was presented (Lev_23:15). In Joh_20:1 this was the fourth day after the Crucifixion, "the Lord's Passover. "Compare App-156. This was by Divine ordering. But in A.D. 57 it was twelve days after the week of unleavened bread, and therefore more than a fortnight later than in A.D. 29.
the disciples. The texts read "we".
came together = were gathered together, as in Act_20:8.
break bread. See note on Act_2:42.
preached. Greek. dialegomai. Often translated "reason". See note on Act_17:2.
unto = to.
ready = being about. Same as in verses: Act_20:20, Act_20:3, Act_20:13, Act_20:38,
depart. Greek. exeimi. See note on Act_13:42.
continued = was extending. Greek. parateino. Only here.
his speech = the word. Greek. logos, as in Act_20:2.
Here is the note on Acts 2:42...
Acts 2:42
And. This and the "ands" in following verses give the Figure of speech Polysyndeton. App-6.
continued stedfastly. Greek. proskartereo. See note on Act_1:14.
doctrine = teaching.
fellowship = the fellowship. Compare Act_2:44.
breaking of bread. This was the common meal. Compare verses:##Act_44:46 and Mat_14:19. Isa_58:7.
breaking. Only here and Luk_24:35.
prayers = the prayers. App-134. Compare Act_3:1.
The Diaglott has it...
Act 20:7 In and the first of the sabbaths, having been assembled of us to break bread, the Paul discoursed to them, being about to depart on the morrow; continued and the discourse till midnight.
The word translated here week is Sabbaton.
Here is what Dr. Bullinger has to say about it...
Acts 20:7
first, &c. = first day of the sabbaths, i.e. the first day for reckoning the seven sabbaths to Pentecost. It depended upon the harvest (Deu_16:9), and was always from the morrow after the weekly sabbath when the wave sheaf was presented (Lev_23:15). In Joh_20:1 this was the fourth day after the Crucifixion, "the Lord's Passover. "Compare App-156. This was by Divine ordering. But in A.D. 57 it was twelve days after the week of unleavened bread, and therefore more than a fortnight later than in A.D. 29.
the disciples. The texts read "we".
came together = were gathered together, as in Act_20:8.
break bread. See note on Act_2:42.
preached. Greek. dialegomai. Often translated "reason". See note on Act_17:2.
unto = to.
ready = being about. Same as in verses: Act_20:20, Act_20:3, Act_20:13, Act_20:38,
depart. Greek. exeimi. See note on Act_13:42.
continued = was extending. Greek. parateino. Only here.
his speech = the word. Greek. logos, as in Act_20:2.
Here is the note on Acts 2:42...
Acts 2:42
And. This and the "ands" in following verses give the Figure of speech Polysyndeton. App-6.
continued stedfastly. Greek. proskartereo. See note on Act_1:14.
doctrine = teaching.
fellowship = the fellowship. Compare Act_2:44.
breaking of bread. This was the common meal. Compare verses:##Act_44:46 and Mat_14:19. Isa_58:7.
breaking. Only here and Luk_24:35.
prayers = the prayers. App-134. Compare Act_3:1.
My heart's desire is to hear all say they understand the following says nothing against any of the commandments of Yahweh. Not one word is mentioned about them, not one. Anyone who believes we are free of following the morality of the Ten Commandments are not prepared to truly live in the grace afforded by the Blood of the Passover Lamb of Yahweh. Go through the commandments and strike any that you should not follow. By the way, study the Word and you will see there are sabbaths called for festivals, but the Sabbath of the Father is always the same day........when you learn this about sabbaths, you may understand.
Col 2:13
And you, being dead through your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, you, I say, did he make alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses;
Col 2:14
having blotted out the bond written in ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us: and he hath taken it out that way, nailing it to the cross;
Col 2:15
having despoiled the principalities and the powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a feast day or a new moon or a sabbath day:
Col 2:17
which are a shadow of the things to come; but the body is Christ's.
Col 2:13
And you, being dead through your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, you, I say, did he make alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses;
Col 2:14
having blotted out the bond written in ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us: and he hath taken it out that way, nailing it to the cross;
Col 2:15
having despoiled the principalities and the powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a feast day or a new moon or a sabbath day:
Col 2:17
which are a shadow of the things to come; but the body is Christ's.
B
I have always wondered what the Lord meant when he taught his disciples to pray, 'Thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven'. Has the kingdom come already and God's will is being done on earth as it is in heaven? Will the kingdom come when Christ comes back or will the kingdom come when God creates a new heaven and earth? When will the perfect will of God really be done on earth as it is being done in heaven as righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit? If Jesus demonstrated the coming of the kingdom of God when he was here, what can we learn about the kingdom through his life and the things that he did that always pleased the Father?
hi rstrats.
maybe you could lay out how you see Zechariah 14:16-19 taking place after the Messiah sets up His kingdom at the second coming.
where are the passages that say a kingdom is set up at the Second Coming?
you mean for 1,000 years....satan is tied up in a pit for that time....flesh people procreate and untold multitudes (billions?) of people manage to pack into Jerusalem for the Feast of Tabernacles....then all H-E-Double-hockey-sticks breaks loose for a little while and there's a global rebellion and.....what happens?
who is in the Millennium?
who is reigning?
who are they reigning over?
how do people get saved?
will there be a Third Temporay Temple?
what kind of bodies do ppl have?
etc.
k....t.y.
maybe you could lay out how you see Zechariah 14:16-19 taking place after the Messiah sets up His kingdom at the second coming.
where are the passages that say a kingdom is set up at the Second Coming?
you mean for 1,000 years....satan is tied up in a pit for that time....flesh people procreate and untold multitudes (billions?) of people manage to pack into Jerusalem for the Feast of Tabernacles....then all H-E-Double-hockey-sticks breaks loose for a little while and there's a global rebellion and.....what happens?
who is in the Millennium?
who is reigning?
who are they reigning over?
how do people get saved?
will there be a Third Temporay Temple?
what kind of bodies do ppl have?
etc.
k....t.y.
- The glorified people of GOD and those who survive the wrath of GOD.
- GOD's people
- Those who survived the apocalypse and their descendants
- Good question; probably the same way they are today
- Depends on what you mean by temple.
- Glorified bodies for the saints; same fleshly bodies for survivors; it will be the inverse of the time between Adam and Noah in which man's life spans became progressively shorter as the knowledge of GOD diminished. It will be a phenomenal world with increased life spans and increased knowledge of everything.
could you show me the passages for all that?
where do we have glorified saints co-existing with flesh people?
well, will there be an actual literal Temple from which Jesus rules?
apparently people are going to Jerusalem...is there a 3rd temple (temporary)?
because there's no temple in the New heaven New Earth.
where do we have glorified saints co-existing with flesh people?
well, will there be an actual literal Temple from which Jesus rules?
apparently people are going to Jerusalem...is there a 3rd temple (temporary)?
because there's no temple in the New heaven New Earth.
Well...my sabbath day is sunday hahahah. choosing specific day in worshiping God is not big issue. People are so concerned about days when you can worship the Lord at all times. Everyday is joy for me in the Holy Ghost. It's all about Intimacy and relationship with the Lord that matters.
God bless everyone......
God bless everyone......
could you show me the passages for all that?
where do we have glorified saints co-existing with flesh people?
well, will there be an actual literal Temple from which Jesus rules?
apparently people are going to Jerusalem...is there a 3rd temple (temporary)?
because there's no temple in the New heaven New Earth.
where do we have glorified saints co-existing with flesh people?
well, will there be an actual literal Temple from which Jesus rules?
apparently people are going to Jerusalem...is there a 3rd temple (temporary)?
because there's no temple in the New heaven New Earth.
To say that doesn't happen today is foolishness. The least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than king David.
Now that I've established that principle, let me say that ,IMO, my ideas weren't that divinely inspired. A lot of it is just logical reasoning and common sense guided by what scripture says.
- fact per scripture: There will be glorified saints
- fact per scripture: the world will be judged by fire
- fact: the world has the capability (and proclivity) to destroy itself with nuclear weapons (fire)
- fact per reason: there will be survivors after a worldwide nuclear holocaust
- fact per scripture: the saints will rule over the nations
- fact per reason: the survivors of the holocaust will need to be healed and guided (ruled)
- fact per scripture: the life spans of men after Adam gradually decreased as the revelation of GOD decreased
- fact per reason: with Christ ruling the earth, the knowledge of GOD would increase dramatically
- fact per reason: the life spans of men would gradually increase with the increase of the knowledge of GOD
- fact per scripture: a child will be as a hundred years old
See where I'm going with this?
As far as the temple, I'm not sure what will exist. Will there be buildings? Of course.
Will there be a temple with sacrifices? Ridiculous.
A king has to rule from a throne, and thrones were generally in a palace, so logically, Christ will rule from a palace.
H
Ladies and gentlemen, You are all missing the point of Hebrews .Without holiness ,no one will be saved. You will never enter into eternal salvation with out a true faith that obeys God. God's "rest" here , awaiting the people of God, is eternal salvation; not Saturday or Sunday. Please read verses in their context. The context gives the words their meaning. Case shut. Hebrews is Hell fire and brimstone. Repent or perish. Hoffco
