I guess I have a simplistic approach here. I see Jesus as our rest/our Shabbat, those who have come unto Him and are in Him and He in them ,have entered that rest and that rest has entered them. So even in the presence of sin in the world we have that rest. Yes there will be a day when sin's presence is no longer. But now Christ as High Priest has sat down. I always thought the scapegoat was a picture of Christ removing our sin as far as the East is from the West having borne our sins on the cross.
A keeping of a sabbath is left to GOD's people
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Saturday is not the Sabbath and never has been. The Jews did not observe days as we do. To the Jews, the Sabbath was from Friday sundown (at the appearance of the first star) to Saturday sundown (at the appearance of the first star). If you observe Saturday as your sabbath only, then you are not strictly keeping the sabbath.
The Jews kept the Sabbath as per the Mosaic laws. As the church grew and the Holy Spirit fell upon the Gentiles, Christians began abandoning the mosaic laws. The first to go was the dietary laws (Acts 10:10-16). Circumcision (Acts 15:10) was dropped also. Later the church started to met on the "Lord's Day", Sunday and this has been the Church's tradition ever since (Col. 2:16).
As soon as change began to be embraced within the fledgling church, the Judaizers stood up and made a campaign that Christians should follow Jewish law. In these last days we see this happening all over. The cult of Seventh Day Adventism started in the late 18th century, or so. This cancer has been polluting the minds of well intentioned souls by heaping parts of the Mosaic law back on top of some who have been lead away by this false doctrine.
They ignore:
These Judaizers ignore the advice of Jesus who said "Neither do people pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst; the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. (Matt.9:17). The [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]mosaic[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] laws and the new covenant do not mix. Not even a patch from the Mosaic laws will work if it is over laid on the new covenant.[/FONT]
The Jews kept the Sabbath as per the Mosaic laws. As the church grew and the Holy Spirit fell upon the Gentiles, Christians began abandoning the mosaic laws. The first to go was the dietary laws (Acts 10:10-16). Circumcision (Acts 15:10) was dropped also. Later the church started to met on the "Lord's Day", Sunday and this has been the Church's tradition ever since (Col. 2:16).
As soon as change began to be embraced within the fledgling church, the Judaizers stood up and made a campaign that Christians should follow Jewish law. In these last days we see this happening all over. The cult of Seventh Day Adventism started in the late 18th century, or so. This cancer has been polluting the minds of well intentioned souls by heaping parts of the Mosaic law back on top of some who have been lead away by this false doctrine.
They ignore:
These Judaizers ignore the advice of Jesus who said "Neither do people pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst; the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. (Matt.9:17). The [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]mosaic[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] laws and the new covenant do not mix. Not even a patch from the Mosaic laws will work if it is over laid on the new covenant.[/FONT]
First you say that if we have Saturday Sabbath we have to do it just a certain way, and then you say we aren't to keep mosaic law.
You say that in Acts it says they changed Sabbath to the pagan Sabbath of Sunday, and I see mention of meetings on Sunday, of course because the business of meetings wouldn't be on Sabbath, but I don't find them honoring Sabbath on that day.
You say that mosaic law polluted. I read that it is a terrible thing to say that rituals is the message of the gospel of Christ but I have never seen a scripture saying they are terrible in themselves, only it is terrible to use them in the wrong way.
A mother tells her child to never leave the door open. That is not saying to never open the door. Never think the rituals are salvation, or even absolutely required for salvation. That is not saying never use any ritual to lead you to worship.
You say that in Acts it says they changed Sabbath to the pagan Sabbath of Sunday, and I see mention of meetings on Sunday, of course because the business of meetings wouldn't be on Sabbath, but I don't find them honoring Sabbath on that day.
You say that mosaic law polluted. I read that it is a terrible thing to say that rituals is the message of the gospel of Christ but I have never seen a scripture saying they are terrible in themselves, only it is terrible to use them in the wrong way.
A mother tells her child to never leave the door open. That is not saying to never open the door. Never think the rituals are salvation, or even absolutely required for salvation. That is not saying never use any ritual to lead you to worship.
As I understand it, Christ is not the scapegoat (goat of banishment), and sins will not be removed from the people of GOD until the end of the age (when he returns), just as they weren't removed from the people of Israel until the end of the year.
The goat of banishment, Azazel, was banished alive to the wilderness with Israel's sins.
But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness. Leviticus 16:10
This was a shadow of the beast (man of sin, son of perdition) and false prophet being cast alive into the lake of fire (outer darkness) first, and then later sin itself (the devil) being banished into the lake of fire. These things, of course, happen at the end of this age and the end of the millennium.
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. Revelation 19:20
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Revelation 20:10
The goat of banishment, Azazel, was banished alive to the wilderness with Israel's sins.
But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness. Leviticus 16:10
This was a shadow of the beast (man of sin, son of perdition) and false prophet being cast alive into the lake of fire (outer darkness) first, and then later sin itself (the devil) being banished into the lake of fire. These things, of course, happen at the end of this age and the end of the millennium.
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. Revelation 19:20
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Revelation 20:10
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No Ma'am, I did not say the mosaic laws polluted anything. The Mosaic laws are a foreshadow of things still to come. They were made by God. I said SDA or Seventh Day Adventism is a cancer that has polluting the minds of well intentioned persons. It is holds some false doctrine and some false teachings. (Some not all).
You see the problem of SDA is when you give yourself to a false leader it puts a person into hot water with God. Same thing with Mormons and Jehovah's witness', they need to leave that organization and repent for accepting false teachers and false doctrine.
You see the problem of SDA is when you give yourself to a false leader it puts a person into hot water with God. Same thing with Mormons and Jehovah's witness', they need to leave that organization and repent for accepting false teachers and false doctrine.
I study scripture and history, I don't go into denominations and this post isn't about that. We are trying to find the truth of God. We can't condemn a doctrine based on you don't agree with a denomination as part of looking for truth of God. So, how do you see God telling us about Mosaic Law, and how do you define Mosaic Law based on God principles as God tells us in his word?
I don't understand "they are a foreshadow of things to come". I know that the physical is often a reflection of the spiritual, and God often explains spiritual concepts we couldn't understand unless God used the physical to express them. That is what the parables are. We are often to do physical things to lead us to the spiritual. God gave the whole human race instructions to use blood for atonement when humans obeyed blind to Christ that it foreshadowed, so I learned to obey God even if I didn't understand why. But I don't understand "mosaic law foreshadows things to come" could you explain better?
I don't understand "they are a foreshadow of things to come". I know that the physical is often a reflection of the spiritual, and God often explains spiritual concepts we couldn't understand unless God used the physical to express them. That is what the parables are. We are often to do physical things to lead us to the spiritual. God gave the whole human race instructions to use blood for atonement when humans obeyed blind to Christ that it foreshadowed, so I learned to obey God even if I didn't understand why. But I don't understand "mosaic law foreshadows things to come" could you explain better?
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Hey, the sabbath thing. oh yeah of little faith. I know your preacher say's keep the sabbath. How dumb are we. Most churches no longer have Sunday night service. Why, because of Sunday night football. Shoot we can't have God interfere with football that would be a sin. I love going to church. I love singing the hymns. I love hearing the gospel. But The cross is my sabbath I rest in His work. If erry body did in America then this would still be the greatest nation on earth as our forefathers did.
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is this really for when he comes again? And not for today as he is risen, to give us new life as he did come back and hung out for forty days to explain to the disciples why all this had to be, and then to wait on the Holy Spirit of promise, that anyone that does believe, not pretending to is sealed with this Holy Spirit of promise to be taught what the cross is and what it does by the resurrected Christ to the believer, new life is imparted to us a gift from God through Son.
So take on his yoke it is easy, and burden it is light, here and now in the Spirit of God.
So enter his rest as God has rested from the foundation of this world, right now, through belief in God, and rest from any of our works, by being dead to self first as Christ was first, before resurrection. And just maybe God will show us all this resurrected life here and now. Where we can just be thankful, and praise God's Holyness through Chirst
So take on his yoke it is easy, and burden it is light, here and now in the Spirit of God.
So enter his rest as God has rested from the foundation of this world, right now, through belief in God, and rest from any of our works, by being dead to self first as Christ was first, before resurrection. And just maybe God will show us all this resurrected life here and now. Where we can just be thankful, and praise God's Holyness through Chirst
Well I personally think it's abundantly clear that GOD operates according to his 7 appointed times (festivals).
Christ, our passover, was slain for passover, lay dead in the tomb for unleavened bread, was raised firstfruits from the dead on firstfruits, and through his spirit gave birth to his body in the earth (the leavened wave offering) on Pentecost.
So his next manifestations will be on the appointed times of trumpets (day of clamor), day of atonement, and tabernacles.
He's not done yet, by any means...
Christ, our passover, was slain for passover, lay dead in the tomb for unleavened bread, was raised firstfruits from the dead on firstfruits, and through his spirit gave birth to his body in the earth (the leavened wave offering) on Pentecost.
So his next manifestations will be on the appointed times of trumpets (day of clamor), day of atonement, and tabernacles.
He's not done yet, by any means...