A keeping of a sabbath is left to GOD's people

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homwardbound

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#61
The doctrine of men clearly involves changing a commandment of God, and by way of a man-made doctrine, justify changing a law of God by claiming that it's not applicable when no where in scriptures is this said or supported. In other words, the doctrine that supports the 1st day of the week as the sabbath is a doctrine made by men.
[h=3]Christ’s Sacrifice Once for All[/h]10 The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Otherwise, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins. [SUP]3 [/SUP]But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins. [SUP]4 [/SUP]It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
 

homwardbound

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Sorry, you do nothing but support your position based on your opinion.
don't we all to some extent or another, your opinion is honored, you have free will along with everyone else, I don't think we are here to fight rather show each other what we see and each decide for themselves, right?
 

john832

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Christ’s Sacrifice Once for All

10 The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Otherwise, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins. [SUP]3 [/SUP]But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins. [SUP]4 [/SUP]It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
The subject here is animal sacrifices, not the Ten Commandments. The Law of animal sacrifices is the schoolmaster that brings us to Christ. It was a direct shadow of the coming perfect Sacrifice but of itself, could not pay the penalty for sin. Only Christ, the Creator of all, could give enough to forgive sin.
 
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danschance

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#64
There is nothing wrong with keeping those things as they are the shadow, or ritual, that points to Christ.

The whole reason why they are not necessary anymore is because we have Christ now. So instead of keeping a feast day in celebration of Christ we can just go straight to Him.

But once again there is nothing wrong with celebrating a day in remembrance for what Christ does for us.

I agree with you. However, Laodicea is claiming we must honor the Sabbath on Saturday only. I posted a passage that is clear about this. We can worship on Saturday or any day we chose.

Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day--Col. 2:16
 

zone

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The subject here is animal sacrifices, not the Ten Commandments. The Law of animal sacrifices is the schoolmaster that brings us to Christ. It was a direct shadow of the coming perfect Sacrifice but of itself, could not pay the penalty for sin. Only Christ, the Creator of all, could give enough to forgive sin.
Deuteronomy 4:13
He declared to you his covenant, the Ten Commandments, which he commanded you to follow and then wrote them on two stone tablets.
 

zone

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Sorry, you do nothing but support your position based on your opinion.
Exodus 31:18
When the LORD finished speaking to Moses on Mount Sinai, he gave him the two tablets of the covenant law, the tablets of stone inscribed by the finger of God.

Deuteronomy 4:13
He declared to you his covenant, the Ten Commandments, which he commanded you to follow and then wrote them on two stone tablets.

Deuteronomy 29
19“Those who hear the warnings of this curse should not congratulate themselves, thinking, ‘I am safe, even though I am following the desires of my own stubborn heart.’ This would lead to utter ruin! 20The LORD will never pardon such people. Instead his anger and jealousy will burn against them. All the curses written in this book will come down on them, and the LORD will erase their names from under heaven. 21The LORD will separate them from all the tribes of Israel, to pour out on them all the curses of the covenant recorded in this Book of Instruction.

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Matthew 23
Seven Woes to the Scribes and Pharisees

1Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2“The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat, 3so practice and observe whatever they tell you—but not what they do. For they preach, but do not practice. 4They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear,a and lay them on people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger. 5They do all their deeds to be seen by others. For they make their phylacteries broad and their fringes long, 6and they love the place of honor at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues 7and greetings in the marketplaces and being called rabbib by others. 8But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers.c 9And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. 10Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ. 11The greatest among you shall be your servant. 12Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

13“But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. For you neither enter yourselves nor allow those who would enter to go in.d 15Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel across sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of helle as yourselves.

16“Woe to you, blind guides, who say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it is nothing, but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.’ 17You blind fools! For which is greater, the gold or the temple that has made the gold sacred? 18And you say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it is nothing, but if anyone swears by the gift that is on the altar, he is bound by his oath.’ 19You blind men! For which is greater, the gift or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20So whoever swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. 21And whoever swears by the temple swears by it and by him who dwells in it. 22And whoever swears by heaven swears by the throne of God and by him who sits upon it.

23“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others. 24You blind guides, straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel!

25“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and the plate, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26You blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and the plate, that the outside also may be clean.

27“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people’s bones and all uncleanness. 28So you also outwardly appear righteous to others, but within you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.

29“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets and decorate the monuments of the righteous, 30saying, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31Thus you witness against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers. 33You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell? 34Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will flog in your synagogues and persecute from town to town, 35so that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of innocent Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah,f whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. 36Truly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

Lament over Jerusalem
37“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not! 38See, your house is left to you desolate. 39For I tell you, you will not see me again, until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’”




Hebrews 8:13 68AD
By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.







Covenant Curses poured out 70AD

.................


OLD COVENANT FOREVER FULFILLED.
Blessings - CHRIST
Curses - Desolation
 
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Abiding

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#67
arguing about the sabbath with a 7th day adventist is like
is like arguing about the gifts with a charismatic.

not too many people are just gona stand there while
you pull their rug out from under them.
 

zone

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#68
arguing about the sabbath with a 7th day adventist is like
is like arguing about the gifts with a charismatic.

not too many people are just gona stand there while
you pull their rug out from under them.


hungry?
mmmm
 
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danschance

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#69
arguing about the sabbath with a 7th day adventist is like
is like arguing about the gifts with a charismatic.

not too many people are just gona stand there while
you pull their rug out from under them.
Very true...............
 
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Abiding

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Exodus 31:18
When the LORD finished speaking to Moses on Mount Sinai, he gave him the two tablets of the covenant law, the tablets of stone inscribed by the finger of God.

Deuteronomy 4:13
He declared to you his covenant, the Ten Commandments, which he commanded you to follow and then wrote them on two stone tablets.

Deuteronomy 29
19“Those who hear the warnings of this curse should not congratulate themselves, thinking, ‘I am safe, even though I am following the desires of my own stubborn heart.’ This would lead to utter ruin! 20The LORD will never pardon such people. Instead his anger and jealousy will burn against them. All the curses written in this book will come down on them, and the LORD will erase their names from under heaven. 21The LORD will separate them from all the tribes of Israel, to pour out on them all the curses of the covenant recorded in this Book of Instruction.

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Matthew 23
Seven Woes to the Scribes and Pharisees

1Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2“The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat, 3so practice and observe whatever they tell you—but not what they do. For they preach, but do not practice. 4They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear,a and lay them on people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger. 5They do all their deeds to be seen by others. For they make their phylacteries broad and their fringes long, 6and they love the place of honor at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues 7and greetings in the marketplaces and being called rabbib by others. 8But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers.c 9And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. 10Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ. 11The greatest among you shall be your servant. 12Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

13“But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. For you neither enter yourselves nor allow those who would enter to go in.d 15Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel across sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of helle as yourselves.

16“Woe to you, blind guides, who say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it is nothing, but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.’ 17You blind fools! For which is greater, the gold or the temple that has made the gold sacred? 18And you say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it is nothing, but if anyone swears by the gift that is on the altar, he is bound by his oath.’ 19You blind men! For which is greater, the gift or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20So whoever swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. 21And whoever swears by the temple swears by it and by him who dwells in it. 22And whoever swears by heaven swears by the throne of God and by him who sits upon it.

23“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others. 24You blind guides, straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel!

25“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and the plate, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26You blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and the plate, that the outside also may be clean.

27“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people’s bones and all uncleanness. 28So you also outwardly appear righteous to others, but within you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.

29“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets and decorate the monuments of the righteous, 30saying, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31Thus you witness against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers. 33You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell? 34Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will flog in your synagogues and persecute from town to town, 35so that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of innocent Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah,f whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. 36Truly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

Lament over Jerusalem
37“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not! 38See, your house is left to you desolate. 39For I tell you, you will not see me again, until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’”




Hebrews 8:13 68AD
By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.







Covenant Curses poured out 70AD

.................


OLD COVENANT FOREVER FULFILLED.
Blessings - CHRIST
Curses - Desolation

fresh jam:cool:
 

zone

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not....is that.....blackberry?
OH WOW.

i didn't know you canned:)
 

zone

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you know me well...napkin?:p
here ya go dear.

or...you could become a pope.



then you gotta use yer t-shirt for a napkin.....so
your choice.
 

john832

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Deuteronomy 4:13
He declared to you his covenant, the Ten Commandments, which he commanded you to follow and then wrote them on two stone tablets.
So that is the Old Covenant? What about all the other things in Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy? By your misinterpretation, they are not even part of the Old Covenant. The Old Covenant is only the Ten Commandments. Of course this is incorrect.

Here is the actual covenant stated...

Exo 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
Exo 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. Exo 19:7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him.

And here is the acceptance of the covenant...

Exo 19:8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.

And it is restated...

Exo 24:3 And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the LORD hath said will we do.

The people agreed to do all that God told them to. In return God promised blessing and long life.
 

john832

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I agree with you. However, Laodicea is claiming we must honor the Sabbath on Saturday only. I posted a passage that is clear about this. We can worship on Saturday or any day we chose.
Actually what that says supports the Sabbath...

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

WE are not to let anyone judge us for keeping the Sabbath, not a day of our choosing, but the Sabbath...

The word for Sabbath here is Sabbaton...

Strongs and Thayer both confirm this...

G4521
σάββατον
sabbaton
Thayer Definition:
1) the seventh day of each week which was a sacred festival on which the Israelites were required to abstain from all work
1a) the institution of the sabbath, the law for keeping holy every seventh day of the week
1b) a single sabbath, sabbath day
2) seven days, a week
Part of Speech: noun neuter
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: of Hebrew origin H7676
Citing in TDNT: 7:1, 989
 
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danschance

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#76
So that is the Old Covenant? What about all the other things in Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy? By your misinterpretation, they are not even part of the Old Covenant. The Old Covenant is only the Ten Commandments. Of course this is incorrect.

Here is the actual covenant stated...

Exo 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
Exo 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. Exo 19:7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him.

And here is the acceptance of the covenant...

Exo 19:8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.

And it is restated...

Exo 24:3 And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the LORD hath said will we do.

The people agreed to do all that God told them to. In return God promised blessing and long life.
I fail to see how posting scriptures from the Old Testament proves we should keep the Sabbath today? If you want to prove to me that I should keep the Sabbath, please show me in the New covenant, the New Testament Where it says that. Please?
 
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Laodicea

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#77
I fail to see how posting scriptures from the Old Testament proves we should keep the Sabbath today? If you want to prove to me that I should keep the Sabbath, please show me in the New covenant, the New Testament Where it says that. Please?
So in your opinion we should not use the OT for doctrine?
 
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Bryancampbell

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#78
I fail to see how posting scriptures from the Old Testament proves we should keep the Sabbath today? If you want to prove to me that I should keep the Sabbath, please show me in the New covenant, the New Testament Where it says that. Please?
Show me scripture in new testament to confirm specifically that we should not take the Lord name in vain? What your saying is mosaic law is manipulated from being valid because it's simply in the Torah....?
 
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Show me scripture in new testament to confirm specifically that we should not take the Lord name in vain? What your saying is mosaic law is manipulated from being valid because it's simply in the Torah....?
I found some scripture that reinterates the 3rd Commandment. Here is Gods Old Testament Command:

"Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord they God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh His name in vain." Exodus 20:7

Here is the 3rd Commandment reinterated in the New Testament:

"That the name of God and His doctrine be not blasphemed." 1 Timothy 6:1
 
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Bryancampbell

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#80
I found some scripture that reinterates the 3rd Commandment. Here is Gods Old Testament Command:

"Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord they God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh His name in vain." Exodus 20:7

Here is the 3rd Commandment reinterated in the New Testament:

"That the name of God and His doctrine be not blasphemed." 1 Timothy 6:1
Kudos to you friend, but we are not to forget that law even if individual believers worship different days, we are to establish this law by both through our Lord's death and His blood - Romans 3:31, Colossians 2:16.