A keeping of a sabbath is left to GOD's people

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danschance

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The Bible says that God blessed the 7th day. No other day has been blessed. The Bible no where states that this blessing has been removed. Therefore there remains the sabbath of the Lord.
This is just your opinion, right? Or is this a doctrine of men?

Here is a scripture for you to think about:

Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day-- Col. 2:16

 

Grandpa

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And what does that mean? To you, obviously it means that the command to not murder another person is also a shadow; hence, we can murder freely now? That goes for all the other commandments as well, except in your opinion, the sabbath! God HIMSELF made it perfectly clear what the sabbath represents and why He put in in the 10 commandments: HE said it represents that He, the creator who made everything in 6 days and rested on the 7th is our God. Has that changed? Is He no longer our God now who made the world in 6 days, etc.? and we declare that on a weekly basis by keeping the sabbath? The sabbath is the seal! Christ fulfilled the whole law by keeping it perfectly and then dying for those who couldn't, all of us obviously, so we could then keep it under His grace. And around and around we go.
Matthew 5:21-22
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

The Lord is showing you that you think you keep the law with your flesh but you don't understand that it is more than what the flesh can keep.

Matthew 5:27-28

[SUP]27 [/SUP]Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
[SUP]28 [/SUP]But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

The Lord methodically goes through the Law in Matthew 5 and shows you that you think you keep the law by the flesh and your own will and power but the Law actually means something more than what your flesh and will can keep.

The only one He leaves out is the sabbath. He covers that at the end of Matthew 11. We find out when we come to Him that all His Laws have a spiritual aspect to them.

Keeping the Law by the power of the flesh and will is a shadow of what the Lord Jesus Christ gives us.

God rested on the 7th day. God causes us to Rest when we come to Him. What do we rest from? Working at His Perfect Law... He gives this as a gift what you couldn't possibly do on your own...

You are right, the sabbath is a seal. Only those who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ are given this rest from their own works of the Law.

Matthew 11:27-30
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
 
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Laodicea

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#43
This is just your opinion, right? Or is this a doctrine of men?

Here is a scripture for you to think about:

Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day-- Col. 2:16


No that is fact whether you like it or not. The fact is God blessed the 7th day and no other day. The fact is this blessing has never been removed. The fact is that because of these facts the 7th day sabbath remains. The verse you quoted does not say do not keep the sabbath, does it? It does not say say the sabbath is done away does it?
 

Grandpa

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They ignore:

Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or aSabbathday— Col. 2:16


Just to clarify, so you have no problem with people who keep a Saturday Sabbath, and the Feast Days, and look for the New Moon? You're OK if people do that, right?
There is nothing wrong with keeping those things as they are the shadow, or ritual, that points to Christ.

The whole reason why they are not necessary anymore is because we have Christ now. So instead of keeping a feast day in celebration of Christ we can just go straight to Him.

But once again there is nothing wrong with celebrating a day in remembrance for what Christ does for us.
 
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danschance

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No that is fact whether you like it or not. The fact is God blessed the 7th day and no other day. The fact is this blessing has never been removed. The fact is that because of these facts the 7th day sabbath remains. The verse you quoted does not say do not keep the sabbath, does it? It does not say say the sabbath is done away does it?
Sorry, but that is just a doctrine of men.

The Sabbath was blessed by God in the old testament, not the new. The Sabbath does not remain. That is just your opinion and you ignore the clear teaching of the scripture I posted above.
 
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Laodicea

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Sorry, but that is just a doctrine of men.

The Sabbath was blessed by God in the old testament, not the new. The Sabbath does not remain. That is just your opinion and you ignore the clear teaching of the scripture I posted above.
Now you are being silly and ignorant. There is no text in all the Bible saying God removed the blessing of His day, therefore it remains whether you like it or not.
 

Grandpa

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No that is fact whether you like it or not. The fact is God blessed the 7th day and no other day. The fact is this blessing has never been removed. The fact is that because of these facts the 7th day sabbath remains. The verse you quoted does not say do not keep the sabbath, does it? It does not say say the sabbath is done away does it?
The way the hebrews kept the law by their own flesh and will power is done away.

WE know that the Law is Spiritual and only by the Spirit can we keep His Perfect Law.

Therefore, just as the rest of the laws have a spiritual aspect to them, so does the sabbath.

Or are you trying to argue that all the Law is spiritual EXCEPT the sabbath? Who are you trying to convince of that?
 
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danschance

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Now you are being silly and ignorant. There is no text in all the Bible saying God removed the blessing of His day, therefore it remains whether you like it or not.

That is just your opinion.
Col. 2:16...................................................
 
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Shiloah

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Sorry, but that is just a doctrine of men.

The Sabbath was blessed by God in the old testament, not the new. The Sabbath does not remain. That is just your opinion and you ignore the clear teaching of the scripture I posted above.
The doctrine of men clearly involves changing a commandment of God, and by way of a man-made doctrine, justify changing a law of God by claiming that it's not applicable when no where in scriptures is this said or supported. In other words, the doctrine that supports the 1st day of the week as the sabbath is a doctrine made by men.
 
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danschance

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The doctrine of men clearly involves changing a commandment of God, and by way of a man-made doctrine, justify changing a law of God by claiming that it's not applicable when no where in scriptures is this said or supported. In other words, the doctrine that supports the 1st day of the week as the sabbath is a doctrine made by men.
Sorry, but that is just your opinion.
 
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Shiloah

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The fact that you base all your reasoning on personal opinion is clearly represented by the fact that you repeatedly ignore that mountains of biblical evidence that prove your position wrong, and yet you come back and make the same declarations regardless of continually represented truth to the contrary.
 
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Shiloah

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Thanks for your opinion.
I'm going to stop replying to your posts danchance for this stated reason represented in scriptures. Yeah, I'm guilty of falling prey to doing this.

Proverbs 26:4 Don't answer the foolish arguments of fools, or you will become as foolish as they are.
 
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danschance

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The fact that you base all your reasoning on personal opinion is clearly represented by the fact that you repeatedly ignore that mountains of biblical evidence that prove your position wrong, and yet you come back and make the same declarations regardless of continually represented truth to the contrary.
Post #41 and 50 of this thread (I see no reason to go back further) seems to be me posting scripture, yet you claim "all my reasoning" is based on my personal opinions. Your personal opinions of me are therefore inaccurate or deceptive. Even so, I enjoy reading your opinions.
 
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danschance

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I'm going to stop replying to your posts danchance for this stated reason represented in scriptures. Yeah, I'm guilty of falling prey to doing this.

Proverbs 26:4 Don't answer the foolish arguments of fools, or you will become as foolish as they are.

Thank you for posting that lovely scripture. Proverbs is one of my favorite books in the bible, according to my personal opinion. Much appreciated.
 

john832

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very cool.
BUT....the Feast of Tabernacles was fulfilled at Pentecost:)
Now this statement exhibits complete ignorance of the Feasts of God. Let's see, Pentecost occurred in the spring and the FoT occurs in the fall. Pentecost shadows the church and those who are called in this age, the FoT is the shadow of the Millenium. Pentecost is a one day feast that must be counted from the Wave Sheaf and does not fall on the same date each year, the FoT begins on a set date each year. Pentecost pictures the smaller early harvest and the FoT pictures the later and greater harvest.

But then again...

Psa 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.
 
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No that is fact whether you like it or not. The fact is God blessed the 7th day and no other day. The fact is this blessing has never been removed. The fact is that because of these facts the 7th day sabbath remains. The verse you quoted does not say do not keep the sabbath, does it? It does not say say the sabbath is done away does it?
That's great, the 7th day is holy. The real question is, can it make you holy?
 
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homwardbound

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Well I personally think it's abundantly clear that GOD operates according to his 7 appointed times (festivals).

Christ, our passover, was slain for passover, lay dead in the tomb for unleavened bread, was raised firstfruits from the dead on firstfruits, and through his spirit gave birth to his body in the earth (the leavened wave offering) on Pentecost.

So his next manifestations will be on the appointed times of trumpets (day of clamor), day of atonement, and tabernacles.

He's not done yet, by any means...
Thank You for your correlations. There are many in the first Testament revealed in the second Testament, by Christ, and more to come.
Thanks
 

homwardbound

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Now you are being silly and ignorant. There is no text in all the Bible saying God removed the blessing of His day, therefore it remains whether you like it or not.
Laodicea, please believe as you believe I posted Romans 14, is written when there was a problem with food eating, whether clean or not, now in verses 5 and 6 it shows this is about more than food. I remember when Peter in Acts had the three dreams about the animals in his dream that were by Jewish law unclean, and God told him to kill and eat, thus later this brought in the Gentiles to be one with the Jews. Anyway God has cleaned all things by Christ.
And rest one day a week is good for flesh to rest. Just watch out for being too literal as were the Pharisees of Christ's day and did not believe Christ and accused Christ of defaming the Sabbath.
Anyway you go do as you believe, yet please do not condemn others if they do not see this the way you see it
Not that you are only you know if you are or not.
And God said to Peter do not call anything unclean, that I (God) have cleaned
And in Romans 14:14 Paul knows that all things are clean of itself, which tells me it is what I do with what I believe that either it stays clean or I defile it, by not loving my neighbor as Christ has loved me, via the cross. Hope this helps to calm things down
[h=3]Romans 14[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[h=3]The Weak and the Strong[/h]14 Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. [SUP]2 [/SUP]One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. [SUP]3 [/SUP]The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. [SUP]8 [/SUP]If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. [SUP]11 [/SUP]It is written:
“‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord,
‘every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will acknowledge God.’”

[SUP]12 [/SUP]So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister. [SUP]14 [/SUP]I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean. [SUP]15 [/SUP]If your brother or sister is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy someone for whom Christ died. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Therefore do not let what you know is good be spoken of as evil. [SUP]17 [/SUP]For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, [SUP]18 [/SUP]because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. [SUP]21 [/SUP]It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother or sister to fall.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.