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So this is a game for you? Okay...
The proof is the Bible and the ultimate burden of proof is with the conviction of the Holy Spirit. To say every generation should know more than the one before is the biggest nonsense I have ever heard of. If you study the Bible God will reveal, therein lies our responsibility, not to try and better the knowledge of my grandfather.
My Bible says eret so it is the whole earth. God doesn't need JohnR7 to explain His almighty works. He will do it himself.
The proof is the Bible and the ultimate burden of proof is with the conviction of the Holy Spirit. To say every generation should know more than the one before is the biggest nonsense I have ever heard of. If you study the Bible God will reveal, therein lies our responsibility, not to try and better the knowledge of my grandfather.
My Bible says eret so it is the whole earth. God doesn't need JohnR7 to explain His almighty works. He will do it himself.
The current evidence shows that the Bering Strait on the Persian Gulf gave way and this is when the Persian gulf was formed. At the time of Noah's flood. We know that ancient Mesopotamia lived in the Tigris Euphrates river valley at the time. "In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, on the seventeenth day of the second month, all the fountains of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened." (Genesis7:11) Before the flood people lived to be 1,000. After the flood we are told: "Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years." (Genesis 6:3) Noah's father could have known Adam because for a short period of time they were both alive on the Earth.
If you look at the Bering Strait you can see where the water went over the high hills but not over the mountains north of the Persian gulf. Floods in the Tigris Euphrates river valley were common back then. Floodplains make very fertile land for growing food.
If you look at the Bering Strait you can see where the water went over the high hills but not over the mountains north of the Persian gulf. Floods in the Tigris Euphrates river valley were common back then. Floodplains make very fertile land for growing food.
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There is a gland that makes them a giant. In some cases if they do not get the condition under control it can cost them their life. What part of the body regulates when we should stop growing? If we did not stop growing we would be as big as the universe in about 30 years. I did not want to pay for the doctors when my son was born. It turned out to be a mistake but I took my wife to the free clinic. They gave her lots and lots of tests. Because the women that go to those free clinics live a very high risk lifestyle and they have to test them for a lot of different health conditions that they are at risk for. I know people that were foster parents for high risk children. At the time the issue has to do with fetal alcohol syndrome. I suppose today with all of the drugs they have all sorts of problems with that.
JohnR7, our church leader is a professor in Hebrew with his own Bible college. He never shared with us this revelation of a local flood because it is not in the Bible (we have done a full study of Noah by the way). Every Sunday when he preach we receive snippets out of the Bible in Hebrew.
The truth of the matter is that the Hebrew is important but to quote one word and try to make a big deal about it is not that impressive. I think somebody is busy pulling wool over your eyes.
The truth of the matter is that the Hebrew is important but to quote one word and try to make a big deal about it is not that impressive. I think somebody is busy pulling wool over your eyes.
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There is a human school of thinking called rabbinical ……......….this is separate from true knowledge from our Father. If it were not, Jesus, Yeshua, would never have had to continually upbraid the Pharises.
Were He here today, He would have to do the same with teachers of the Word who interpret it scientifically...…………….this is temporal knowledge which, as James Baldwin would say, is destined for the fire next time.
Were He here today, He would have to do the same with teachers of the Word who interpret it scientifically...…………….this is temporal knowledge which, as James Baldwin would say, is destined for the fire next time.
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Nope. The medical condition is called gigantism or acramegaly. I have acromegaly. Goliath did not have a pituitary tumor that caused his growth. This is ridiculous.
Angels are sons of God. They were present at the creation shouting for joy.
Job 38
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Angels are sons of God. They were present at the creation shouting for joy.
Job 38
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
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Fins and flippers, of course.
Actually, Satan himself was a fallen angel. No one would entertain the idea that Satan could have drownded.
Maybe the same thing that happened before the flood happened after. God is not obligated to tell us every little detail about everything. As @posthuman pointed out, this is not the purpose of the Bible.
Actually, Satan himself was a fallen angel. No one would entertain the idea that Satan could have drownded.
Maybe the same thing that happened before the flood happened after. God is not obligated to tell us every little detail about everything. As @posthuman pointed out, this is not the purpose of the Bible.
Then you believe the Bible is not true because it is pretty conclusive that Noah's flood was local and not a world wide flood in his day. My opinion is that BOTH Science and the Bible is true. It does not matter how much Bible your church leader knows. The question is, how much science and how much history do they know? How much of the Scientific Evidence has he studied? If you know your Bible then you know that God wants us to know what He is doing. That is why Science has evidence to examine and study. If he is aprofessor in Hebrew with his own Bible college then why does he not know what he is talking about? Is this a government certified college? Or one of those fly by night deals.
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Are you aware of what history is? Do you not know that histoy, recorded history only began when mankind began to write?
No man can possibly even give the age of the world or the universe with unequificable proof, yet here you are dispsroving God's Word with evidence provided within the physical realm and age our Father gave us by speaking it into being. You can only believe in what you see it seems, and you do not belong with any of the faith until you believe God, and things He teaches all of us that are unseen. The unseen is our hope, not what you can say, I said SAY, you see.
No man can possibly even give the age of the world or the universe with unequificable proof, yet here you are dispsroving God's Word with evidence provided within the physical realm and age our Father gave us by speaking it into being. You can only believe in what you see it seems, and you do not belong with any of the faith until you believe God, and things He teaches all of us that are unseen. The unseen is our hope, not what you can say, I said SAY, you see.
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There is true science and there is a true understanding of the Bible. There is a Scientific method and there is evidence that comes from God that we can examine and study. For example there are 7,641 islands in the Philippines.
"The Philippines is one of the 17 mega biodiverse countries, containing two-thirds of the Earth’s biodiversity and 70 percent of world’s plants and animal species due to its geographical isolation, diverse habitats and high rates of endemism. The Philippines’ biodiversity provides several ecosystem services. It provides food, water, energy sources, pharmaceuticals, biomass fuels, carbon sequestration and climate regulation, crop pollination, cultural and spiritual inspiration and ecotourism value". https://www.usaid.gov/philippines/energy-and-environment/bwiser
This statement all by itself falsifies his claim for a worldwide flood. In fact I do not care how many PhD's they have in Theology. They do not qualify for a high school diploma because they did not read their high school biology book. I took Biology 52 years ago in 1968. They did not know nearly as much then as we know today. So I have had to read, study and learn on my own using old Bio books that I get on Amazon sometimes for as cheap as $5. So I have no sympathy for people who want to make claims without doing their homework. For me they are without excuse and they have lost all credibility.
I also took an Ancient History class in 1968. Nothing has changed all that much in that regard. We do not know that much more about Ancient Mesopotamia today compared to what we knew 50 years ago. Still history helps us to verify what we learn in Biology.
I will offer a second evidence even though they have failed to refute my first evidence of biodiverse ecosystem. I can name this in three word: "Out Of Africa". I do not mean the movie, I mean the "hypothesis that all modern humans stem from a single group of Homo sapiens who emigrated from Africa 2,000 generations ago and spread throughout Eurasia over thousands of years.
I still support Creationism. OEC - YEC - GAP & dispensationalism. I can present a valid argument for all of them. I still support Bishop Ushers book. I have a copy of his book here and it is valid as far as I am concerned.
“We must be on our guard against giving interpretations which are hazardous or opposed to science, and so exposing the word of God to the ridicule of unbelievers.” (Augustine)
"The Philippines is one of the 17 mega biodiverse countries, containing two-thirds of the Earth’s biodiversity and 70 percent of world’s plants and animal species due to its geographical isolation, diverse habitats and high rates of endemism. The Philippines’ biodiversity provides several ecosystem services. It provides food, water, energy sources, pharmaceuticals, biomass fuels, carbon sequestration and climate regulation, crop pollination, cultural and spiritual inspiration and ecotourism value". https://www.usaid.gov/philippines/energy-and-environment/bwiser
This statement all by itself falsifies his claim for a worldwide flood. In fact I do not care how many PhD's they have in Theology. They do not qualify for a high school diploma because they did not read their high school biology book. I took Biology 52 years ago in 1968. They did not know nearly as much then as we know today. So I have had to read, study and learn on my own using old Bio books that I get on Amazon sometimes for as cheap as $5. So I have no sympathy for people who want to make claims without doing their homework. For me they are without excuse and they have lost all credibility.
I also took an Ancient History class in 1968. Nothing has changed all that much in that regard. We do not know that much more about Ancient Mesopotamia today compared to what we knew 50 years ago. Still history helps us to verify what we learn in Biology.
I will offer a second evidence even though they have failed to refute my first evidence of biodiverse ecosystem. I can name this in three word: "Out Of Africa". I do not mean the movie, I mean the "hypothesis that all modern humans stem from a single group of Homo sapiens who emigrated from Africa 2,000 generations ago and spread throughout Eurasia over thousands of years.
I still support Creationism. OEC - YEC - GAP & dispensationalism. I can present a valid argument for all of them. I still support Bishop Ushers book. I have a copy of his book here and it is valid as far as I am concerned.
“We must be on our guard against giving interpretations which are hazardous or opposed to science, and so exposing the word of God to the ridicule of unbelievers.” (Augustine)
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Do I detect judgment? My reference is to Phariseees at the time of our Lord' first coming and those today, both within the auspices of the umbrella of Christian denominations call Christianity, and those with the umbrell calaled Jewish theologies. There are plenty of Pharisees coming here to the forum also.
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