A new look at Galatians

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You do not understand.

You can not claim you follow the law, and then break it. For you are contradicting yourself. and making a mockery of the very thing you claim you follow.
Is this your excuse for condemning God for giving the law? That by trying to follow the kingdom of God, as scripture explains it, if I ever slip up and sin while I am trying I am making a mockery because I was trying? That makes a mockery of the Lord's Prayer when we ask for the kingdom to be on earth as it is in heaven, and then say we don't want the kingdom on earth.
 
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Every poster I have read agrees this is what scripture says. What does this have to do with Christ's statement "If you love me you will keep my commandments" and other scriptures about our need to keep the law? Are you considering keeping the law for your salvation? I don't think that would ever work.
please find this commandment in the mosaic covenant: 'love one another'

John 15
10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
 
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And I would like to add that "not living under law" can not be defined as a need to live without listening to law. The very Holy Spirit we are given listens to law. It means that I go to Christ for forgiveness. It scripture was saying to never listen to law it would say "don't ever think God gave Moses law as truth" or some such.
That does not make sense.

God gave the law and said obey it.

If your breaking it, You are not following it. period.
 
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Is this your excuse for condemning God for giving the law?
lol.. I am not doing that, and you know that. just more proof you do not understand what we say,

That by trying to follow the kingdom of God, as scripture explains it, if I ever slip up and sin while I am trying I am making a mockery because I was trying? That makes a mockery of the Lord's Prayer when we ask for the kingdom to be on earth as it is in heaven, and then say we don't want the kingdom on earth.

I am not talking about the kingdom of God.

I am talking about following the law. can we stick on topic?
 
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That does not make sense.

God gave the law and said obey it.

If your breaking it, You are not following it. period.
Yaakov 2
10 For whoever is shomer over kol haTorah but stumbles in one mitzvah, such is condemned as ashem (guilty) of averoh (transgression) of kol mitzvot.

same in every language.
 
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The full quote included...

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

His death had nothing to do with man made ordinances and traditions of men.
That verse was quoted right before I posted. I thought it best to quote more. Of course being redundant isn't bad when quoting scripture. See post 200 where verse 14 was already quoted, then 202, and of course 203, I don't thing Jesus was killed with His own Fathers ordinances. He was crucified with sin, and the doctrines of men, Not God's. Full quote needed.
 
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Yaakov 2
10 For whoever is shomer over kol haTorah but stumbles in one mitzvah, such is condemned as ashem (guilty) of averoh (transgression) of kol mitzvot.

same in every language.

Amen, If breaking one of the least commands makes us guilty of breaking the whole law. Then we mock it by saying we follow it, then break it even once.
 

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That verse was quoted right before I posted. I thought it best to quote more. Of course being redundant isn't bad when quoting scripture. See post 200 where verse 14 was already quoted, then 202, and of course 203, I don't thing Jesus was killed with His own Fathers ordinances. He was crucified with sin, and the doctrines of men, Not God's. Full quote needed.
I was only pointing out that his death (v.14) was for sin, i.e. breaking the God's law, not man made traditions which you seemed to alude to.
 
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[SUP]8 [/SUP]Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

[SUP]9 [/SUP]For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

[SUP]11 [/SUP]In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

[SUP]12 [/SUP]Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

[SUP]14 [/SUP]Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

[SUP]15 [/SUP]And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

[SUP]16 [/SUP]Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
(colossians 2)
Colossians 2:18-23 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
[SUP]21 [/SUP](Touch not; taste not; handle not;
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.


Aha!! This is talking about the doctrines, and traditions of men, NOT the word of God.
The full quote included...

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

His death had nothing to do with man made ordinances and traditions of men.
My reply from post #226

That verse was quoted right before I posted. I thought it best to quote more. Of course being redundant isn't bad when quoting scripture. See post 200 where verse 14 was already quoted, then 202, and of course 203, I don't think Jesus was killed with His own Fathers ordinances. He was crucified with sin, and the doctrines of men, Not God's ordinances. Full quote needed.
 
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I was only pointing out that his death (v.14) was for sin, i.e. breaking the God's law, not man made traditions which you seemed to alude to.
See verse 22. It's all in one chapter. and then [SUP]23 [/SUP]Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

Man made ordinances.
 
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I was only pointing out that his death (v.14) was for sin, i.e. breaking the God's law, not man made traditions which you seemed to alude to.
lol.

It does sound kind of odd. He died so we can obey his law, which we still can not obey.

I guess his death does not have much power does it?
 
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I don't thing Jesus was killed with His own Fathers ordinances. He was crucified with sin, and the doctrines of men, Not God's. Full quote needed.
what? is this a joke?

Isaiah 53
10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
 

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My reply from post #226

That verse was quoted right before I posted. I thought it best to quote more. Of course being redundant isn't bad when quoting scripture. See post 200 where verse 14 was already quoted, then 202, and of course 203, I don't think Jesus was killed with His own Fathers ordinances. He was crucified with sin, and the doctrines of men, Not God's ordinances. Full quote needed.
Your point? I seemed to have lost it in the muddle.
 
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Amen, If breaking one of the least commands makes us guilty of breaking the whole law. Then we mock it by saying we follow it, then break it even once.
Mark 10
20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.

the poor (rich) young man.
 

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Colossians 2:13-15 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; (14)Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

v14 speaks of 'handwriting of ordinances' against and contrary to us...a clear reference to the Mosaic regulations not human traditions.
These, Christ put away in His crucifixion.
 
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Colossians 2:13-15 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; (14)Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

v14 speaks of 'handwriting of ordinances' against and contrary to us...a clear reference to the Mosaic regulations not human traditions.
These Christ put away in His crucifixion.
precisely. i hardly think the oral torah applies here.

having forgiven you all trespasses; (14)Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.

Christ delivered over to blot out sin due to breaking pharisee regulations? just when you think you've heard everything.
 
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Mark 10
20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.

the poor (rich) young man.

yeah, imagine hos sad he will be when he realizes his had decieved himself to thinking he obeyed the law.
 
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precisely. i hardly think the oral torah applies here.

having forgiven you all trespasses; (14)Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.

Christ delivered over to blot out sin due to breaking pharisee regulations? just when you think you've heard everything.

poor Jesus

He broke pharisee regulations all the time.

Guess he sinned alot.
 
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Since red didn't respond to this post I assume she has me on ignore. Perhaps someone can quote this so she can tell us what it means.

red you want to twist Galatians to suit your purpose, what are you going to do with Hebrews?
Explain Hebrews, red:
"But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord."