A new look at Galatians
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If that is what you get from all the post then it lies in your own understanding of what is being said. Let's break this down.
NO ONE has said KILL the law. . . .God said that the law/old covenant that is fulfilled by the flesh has been replaced by a better/new covenant that is fulfilled by the Spirit in love and all who believe and call upon the name of our Lord have this better/new covenant.
The ten commandments have not been destroyed for they are carried through to the New Covenant, the New Testament and with them the way to avoid doing them.
We have said that we are saved by grace through faith and not of works so that no man can boast - "well, I did not steal today did you? I did not lie today, did you? I am so much better than you because I did not covet today and you did."
AND we have said that salvation does bring the desire to do good and that it is God that works within us to do good works and whatever we accomplish or do is because of the love we have for God and others. It is all of God because no matter how many times I don't steal, kill, covet, etc.; it does not add anything to my salvation nor can it.
I hope this helps you understand.
NO ONE has said KILL the law. . . .God said that the law/old covenant that is fulfilled by the flesh has been replaced by a better/new covenant that is fulfilled by the Spirit in love and all who believe and call upon the name of our Lord have this better/new covenant.
The ten commandments have not been destroyed for they are carried through to the New Covenant, the New Testament and with them the way to avoid doing them.
We have said that we are saved by grace through faith and not of works so that no man can boast - "well, I did not steal today did you? I did not lie today, did you? I am so much better than you because I did not covet today and you did."
AND we have said that salvation does bring the desire to do good and that it is God that works within us to do good works and whatever we accomplish or do is because of the love we have for God and others. It is all of God because no matter how many times I don't steal, kill, covet, etc.; it does not add anything to my salvation nor can it.
I hope this helps you understand.
#127 "Why not return to Mt Sinai?"
#130 Is a teaching about the Talmud
#131 talks of a satanic message of Jewish religion. (Jews use the OT telling of the father, so God is Satanic?)
#137 is an accusation of people thinking they can keep all the law. (I think the point of that was that if you follow Christ's instructions to obey Him if you love Him, you are denying that only Christ forgives, or some such)
#138 Impose law on grace!!! (Being law is law and grace is grace, that would be quite an accomplishment)
#141 Accusing me of wanting to destroy book of Galatians. (Like they want to destroy all God told Moses)
#149 Accusing me of not searching the study for how it explains Galatians, and if it goes against scripture, and seemed to feel that I should have searched for anything they thought the author believed in that they didn't believe in, instead.
#152 Law is only for the Jews, grace is only for gentiles.
#153 I ignore scripture!!! Doesn't say what scripture I ignore, just I ignore it.
#154 Is a list of bad things that law does. Also accusing me of following a man not scripture!!
#155 Accusing me of accepting everything as truth from men, and not looking at scripture.
#130 Is a teaching about the Talmud
#131 talks of a satanic message of Jewish religion. (Jews use the OT telling of the father, so God is Satanic?)
#137 is an accusation of people thinking they can keep all the law. (I think the point of that was that if you follow Christ's instructions to obey Him if you love Him, you are denying that only Christ forgives, or some such)
#138 Impose law on grace!!! (Being law is law and grace is grace, that would be quite an accomplishment)
#141 Accusing me of wanting to destroy book of Galatians. (Like they want to destroy all God told Moses)
#149 Accusing me of not searching the study for how it explains Galatians, and if it goes against scripture, and seemed to feel that I should have searched for anything they thought the author believed in that they didn't believe in, instead.
#152 Law is only for the Jews, grace is only for gentiles.
#153 I ignore scripture!!! Doesn't say what scripture I ignore, just I ignore it.
#154 Is a list of bad things that law does. Also accusing me of following a man not scripture!!
#155 Accusing me of accepting everything as truth from men, and not looking at scripture.
What God gave Moses was too much for people in flesh bodies to handle. Except One who was Born of God.
But, in the pride of their own minds, people think they can handle it. People think they are obedient to God by their own strength and will.
People think that they choose God and cause Him to save them by following some contrived formula. For some it is water baptism. For others it is a sinners prayer. For others it is "sacraments" given by the church they attend. For others it is resting on saturdays. Etc... place your ritual and carnal understanding here...
All of it is what is meant by ever learning but never able to come to the Knowledge of the Truth. The deception is trusting in your own understanding and the understanding of religious men instead of the understanding that comes from the Spirit of God.
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But, in the pride of their own minds, people think they can handle it. People think they are obedient to God by their own strength and will.
People think that they choose God and cause Him to save them by following some contrived formula. For some it is water baptism. For others it is a sinners prayer. For others it is "sacraments" given by the church they attend. For others it is resting on saturdays. Etc... place your ritual and carnal understanding here...
All of it is what is meant by ever learning but never able to come to the Knowledge of the Truth. The deception is trusting in your own understanding and the understanding of religious men instead of the understanding that comes from the Spirit of God.
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these are your feelings about what was posted. you're not listening but that's evident.
#127 "Why not return to Mt Sinai?"
is a good question.
#130 Is a teaching about the Talmud
not surprising since you brought it into the open (and call yourself by Christ's name?) using it to teach christian doctrine.
#131 talks of a satanic message of Jewish religion. (Jews use the OT telling of the father, so God is Satanic?)
go back and read the teachings from the Talmud. you know nothing about the jewish religion. nothing.
#137 is an accusation of people thinking they can keep all the law. (I think the point of that was that if you follow Christ's instructions to obey Him if you love Him, you are denying that only Christ forgives, or some such)
what has Christ to do with Ba'al? this is your thread and you're mixing the pharisee's religion with Christ.
#138 Impose law on grace!!! (Being law is law and grace is grace, that would be quite an accomplishment)
was God not gracious in giving the law?
#141 Accusing me of wanting to destroy book of Galatians. (Like they want to destroy all God told Moses)
you can't, though you're willing to try.
the second half is typical of your sect.
#149 Accusing me of not searching the study for how it explains Galatians, and if it goes against scripture, and seemed to feel that I should have searched for anything they thought the author believed in that they didn't believe in, instead.
you didn't search the study. or, #131 talks of a satanic message of Jewish religion. (Jews use the OT telling of the father, so God is Satanic?)
go back and read the teachings from the Talmud. you know nothing about the jewish religion. nothing.
#152 Law is only for the Jews, grace is only for gentiles.
this is obviously error. does it say God is bad and to kill the law and jews?
#153 I ignore scripture!!! Doesn't say what scripture I ignore, just I ignore it.
true, untrue, and true.
#154 Is a list of bad things that law does. Also accusing me of following a man not scripture!!
is it? or is it for our good? you don't really believe in the person of Christ, do you.
isn't this your thread?
#155 Accusing me of accepting everything as truth from men, and not looking at scripture.
why not just accept what galatians says instead of indulging in phariseeism?
now about those accusations. get them.
#127 "Why not return to Mt Sinai?"
is a good question.
#130 Is a teaching about the Talmud
not surprising since you brought it into the open (and call yourself by Christ's name?) using it to teach christian doctrine.
#131 talks of a satanic message of Jewish religion. (Jews use the OT telling of the father, so God is Satanic?)
go back and read the teachings from the Talmud. you know nothing about the jewish religion. nothing.
#137 is an accusation of people thinking they can keep all the law. (I think the point of that was that if you follow Christ's instructions to obey Him if you love Him, you are denying that only Christ forgives, or some such)
what has Christ to do with Ba'al? this is your thread and you're mixing the pharisee's religion with Christ.
#138 Impose law on grace!!! (Being law is law and grace is grace, that would be quite an accomplishment)
was God not gracious in giving the law?
#141 Accusing me of wanting to destroy book of Galatians. (Like they want to destroy all God told Moses)
you can't, though you're willing to try.
the second half is typical of your sect.
#149 Accusing me of not searching the study for how it explains Galatians, and if it goes against scripture, and seemed to feel that I should have searched for anything they thought the author believed in that they didn't believe in, instead.
you didn't search the study. or, #131 talks of a satanic message of Jewish religion. (Jews use the OT telling of the father, so God is Satanic?)
go back and read the teachings from the Talmud. you know nothing about the jewish religion. nothing.
#152 Law is only for the Jews, grace is only for gentiles.
this is obviously error. does it say God is bad and to kill the law and jews?
#153 I ignore scripture!!! Doesn't say what scripture I ignore, just I ignore it.
true, untrue, and true.
#154 Is a list of bad things that law does. Also accusing me of following a man not scripture!!
is it? or is it for our good? you don't really believe in the person of Christ, do you.
isn't this your thread?
#155 Accusing me of accepting everything as truth from men, and not looking at scripture.
why not just accept what galatians says instead of indulging in phariseeism?
now about those accusations. get them.
I'm torn between the above and this...
Titus 3:9-11 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
Titus 3:9-11 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
Are you agreeing that God cancelled the ten commandments?
God gave us the Holy Spirit to help us with "too much to handle".
I have never seen a post telling how something besides Christ would save them. I have seen post after post that the law is cancelled. Some of those posters qualify it by saying the Holy Spirit is enough, they use that alone without any law. Some say they use the two basic laws just refuse any other, saying God didn't cancel those laws all others are based on. But, even from you, there is a solid God cancelled God's word, if God told it to Moses.
One poster said that the study I suggested explaining "the law of Moses" was straight from hell. He said he went through the entire study, and he could not compare what was said with the bible at all for every word was wrong. Just as this poster had critiqued anything God said to Moses.
Why would we be told to "be perfect"? The holy Spirit gives us recognition of God's instructions on how to do that, but the Holy Spirit does not instruct now to read any of those words, it is the truth that it doesn't do that. Yet even you say that not agreeing to God cancelling God is not coming to the knowledge of the truth.
God gave us the Holy Spirit to help us with "too much to handle".
I have never seen a post telling how something besides Christ would save them. I have seen post after post that the law is cancelled. Some of those posters qualify it by saying the Holy Spirit is enough, they use that alone without any law. Some say they use the two basic laws just refuse any other, saying God didn't cancel those laws all others are based on. But, even from you, there is a solid God cancelled God's word, if God told it to Moses.
One poster said that the study I suggested explaining "the law of Moses" was straight from hell. He said he went through the entire study, and he could not compare what was said with the bible at all for every word was wrong. Just as this poster had critiqued anything God said to Moses.
Why would we be told to "be perfect"? The holy Spirit gives us recognition of God's instructions on how to do that, but the Holy Spirit does not instruct now to read any of those words, it is the truth that it doesn't do that. Yet even you say that not agreeing to God cancelling God is not coming to the knowledge of the truth.
Speaking of the 2 love laws, (I think that's you're referring to) and those that say they abide by those, it is more than amazing to me that they say that, and with their adverse comments are actually saying "You're wrong, so you can go to h_ll, and take your false doctrine with you." I can't see any love in that. Can you?
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unlike you, who cares about no one but yourself. yes i do care about her, why do you think I am asking her? I am trying to get her to think. something we all know you are incapable of. so much so your willing to let your friend believe in a document of a man who teaches his doctrines based off of mystical books, and books of men which were taught AGAINST in the bible.
in reality, it is you who do nt care about her. or you too would chasten her for following such a man,
in reality, it is you who do nt care about her. or you too would chasten her for following such a man,
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
(colossians 2)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
(colossians 2)