Abomination of Desecration

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Something I have been looking at for a while.

It seems like two different ways the subject is viewed .One that would represent rebuilding some sort of temple worship format for some unknown reason and the other dares not as a warning. Not to walk by sight.

An "abomination of desecration". I would think it would represent the things of men seen, the temporal. . . a dying creation. . . . Standing in the unseen Holy place of our Father in heaven as His hidden glory. Hid until the last day .The place as the unseen source of the faith of God by which inspired from heaven does reveal to us by his living abiding word..

The old testament apostate Jew had become prideful because of what they were hoping in. . . glorying in their own flesh. They had no faith as a froward nation. Their gods needed a image..... the gods of the human imagination, the heart of natural man .

Deuteronomy 32:20And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.

God temporally gave over the faithless Jews to do not what they should of …..build one image idol Temple, the pagan foundation that came because Jewish leaders became jealous of the surrounding pagan nations that refused to believe in a God they could not see, .(natural man)

A place that even the Son of man Jesus refused to stand in .Giving no glory to dead stones or his own corrupted flesh and blood as if God lived in temples built with corrupted human hands. When offered that place as Master Jesus gave glory to the unseen father .Therefore Jesus as the Son of man did not stand in the place as the abomination of desecration.

This helps us to understand that the Son of man is not God who remains without a beginning and neither is there any infallible fleshly I infallible interpreter set between God not seen and man seen. (daysman) we walk by faith the unseen eternal not by sight after the temporal

It would seem the word good is reserved for the unseen finger of God as his personal fingerprint .The Son of God refused to take it on as a abomination of desecration. One teaching master. No man can serve two . We serve two working together in perfect a harmony, as one example or demonstration. The father not seen he alone is our good God>

Matthew 19:16-18 King James Version (KJV) And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
 

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Temples invok offerings for sin, an abomination.

There is but One Offering for sin, our Savior, Jesus, Yeshua, amen.
 
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Are you speaking of the abomination of desolation.

Israel is blinded in part, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in, and so all Israel shall be saved.

And God said He would restore the kingdom back to the Jews after they have borne their shame for the trespasses against Him.

God warns us of the new age movement and their false interpretation of the Bible based on the occult and evolution.

Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but evolved to be an ascended master and avatar.

Acknowledging no personal God, but honoring the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power, the evolutionary process.

The new age movement will pave the way to the New Age Christ who will exalt himself above all that is called God or is worshipped, and will not regard the God of his fathers, and will not regard any god, but in his estate he shall honor the God of forces, a God his fathers knew not.

The New Age Christ will establish peace in the Middle East, and the Jews will rebuild their temple, and go back to animal sacrifices because they are blinded in part, with no hassle from the Palestinians.

When the New Age Christ steps in to their temple it is the abomination of desolation for being in the temple claiming to be God in the first place, but also because he spread his false ways of the occult, and evolution, and no personal God, and honoring the God of forces, throughout the whole world, which the Bible says he will think to change times and laws, and claiming to be God by evolving through the power of nature as the false prophet does miracles in the sight of men to convince the world that the beast did receive power through nature, and shared this power with the false prophet, and will share this power with all who follow him.

Repentance and salvation are available to the world until they take the mark of the beast, and when the abomination of desolation happens and the New Age Christ spreads his false ways throughout the earth the hope of the world is gone for he is going by false ways of the occult and evolution, and persecuting all people world wide that keep the commandments of God, and hold the testimony of Jesus.

The beast kingdom took away the hope of the world by going by the world wide falsehood that there is no God, and they can evolve to be greater and spiritual.

For as long as one nation allows the believing of a higher power, a personal God, and allows the Bible the truth of it, then there is hope for the world for they might turn to God, and Jesus, but all nation's powers hindered that on a world wide scale denying a God, and Jesus as Lord and Savior.

So because they took away the hope of the world God will put them down for they cannot continue on in that condition if they stopped the preaching of salvation on a world wide scale.

For if the world persecuted all who hold the truth believing in evolution and they can still evolve, then they will never come back around to restoring it like they did, and they cannot restore it once they take the mark of the beast for they are saying it is all about people with no higher power above them, and mankind can achieve peace on earth by their own power, and can evolve to be greater and spiritual, and the mark seals them to where they can never reverse it to be saved, and they will then have the nature of a devil.

And we know that through time people forget what once was and start going by falsehood, so all they would do is being evil, and nobody coming to the truth as in the far future they forgot all that was believed years ago, and God is not going to allow the world to keep continuing if nobody can be saved, and see the truth.

But once they take the mark of the beast, and scatter the power of the holy people then all things are finished, which then comes the end when the Son shall have delivered up the kingdom to the Father when He has put down all power, authority, and dominion.

Jesus is good because He is God manifest in the flesh, and the man Christ Jesus was always led of the Spirit so He was sinless.

Some people approached Jesus according to His humanity, and some His deity.

The man approached Jesus according to His humanity and said good Master, and Jesus said why call me good when there is only one good and that is God, which the man Christ Jesus was giving glory to God that He did good because God is good.

If the man approached Jesus according to His deity and said good Lord, Jesus would of said He is good, or would of not said why call me good.
 

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It is not things seen or unseen by men but the truth being cast down in the hearts(minds) of men and in its place lies are placed.
 

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Are you speaking of the abomination of desolation.

Israel is blinded in part, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in, and so all Israel shall be saved.

And God said He would restore the kingdom back to the Jews after they have borne their shame for the trespasses against Him.

God warns us of the new age movement and their false interpretation of the Bible based on the occult and evolution.

Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but evolved to be an ascended master and avatar.

Acknowledging no personal God, but honoring the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power, the evolutionary process.

The new age movement will pave the way to the New Age Christ who will exalt himself above all that is called God or is worshipped, and will not regard the God of his fathers, and will not regard any god, but in his estate he shall honor the God of forces, a God his fathers knew not.

The New Age Christ will establish peace in the Middle East, and the Jews will rebuild their temple, and go back to animal sacrifices because they are blinded in part, with no hassle from the Palestinians.

When the New Age Christ steps in to their temple it is the abomination of desolation for being in the temple claiming to be God in the first place, but also because he spread his false ways of the occult, and evolution, and no personal God, and honoring the God of forces, throughout the whole world, which the Bible says he will think to change times and laws, and claiming to be God by evolving through the power of nature as the false prophet does miracles in the sight of men to convince the world that the beast did receive power through nature, and shared this power with the false prophet, and will share this power with all who follow him.

Repentance and salvation are available to the world until they take the mark of the beast, and when the abomination of desolation happens and the New Age Christ spreads his false ways throughout the earth the hope of the world is gone for he is going by false ways of the occult and evolution, and persecuting all people world wide that keep the commandments of God, and hold the testimony of Jesus.

The beast kingdom took away the hope of the world by going by the world wide falsehood that there is no God, and they can evolve to be greater and spiritual.

For as long as one nation allows the believing of a higher power, a personal God, and allows the Bible the truth of it, then there is hope for the world for they might turn to God, and Jesus, but all nation's powers hindered that on a world wide scale denying a God, and Jesus as Lord and Savior.

So because they took away the hope of the world God will put them down for they cannot continue on in that condition if they stopped the preaching of salvation on a world wide scale.

For if the world persecuted all who hold the truth believing in evolution and they can still evolve, then they will never come back around to restoring it like they did, and they cannot restore it once they take the mark of the beast for they are saying it is all about people with no higher power above them, and mankind can achieve peace on earth by their own power, and can evolve to be greater and spiritual, and the mark seals them to where they can never reverse it to be saved, and they will then have the nature of a devil.

And we know that through time people forget what once was and start going by falsehood, so all they would do is being evil, and nobody coming to the truth as in the far future they forgot all that was believed years ago, and God is not going to allow the world to keep continuing if nobody can be saved, and see the truth.

But once they take the mark of the beast, and scatter the power of the holy people then all things are finished, which then comes the end when the Son shall have delivered up the kingdom to the Father when He has put down all power, authority, and dominion.

Jesus is good because He is God manifest in the flesh, and the man Christ Jesus was always led of the Spirit so He was sinless.

Some people approached Jesus according to His humanity, and some His deity.

The man approached Jesus according to His humanity and said good Master, and Jesus said why call me good when there is only one good and that is God, which the man Christ Jesus was giving glory to God that He did good because God is good.

If the man approached Jesus according to His deity and said good Lord, Jesus would of said He is good, or would of not said why call me good.
I do not know with certainty, but I am pretty much persuaded the Beast, when h pronounces himself to be God, is that abomination which makes desolate.

He will destroy many, just as today certain political leaders are lauded as special or holy, yet only lead men into death and desstruction.

Let us always praise God in Jesus, Yeshua, amen.
 

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An "abomination of desecration". I would think it would represent the things of men seen, the temporal. . . a dying creation. . . . Standing in the unseen Holy place of our Father in heaven as His hidden glory.
Christians cannot simply allegorize and spiritualize Bible prophecies as though their literal fulfillment does not matter. Your idea above does not meet the criteria of true prophecy.

1. First of all it is called "the Abomination of Desolation", not "desecration".

2. Desolation means rendering the earth desolate, which translates into the Great Tribulation, and all the supernatural disasters visited up the earth after the Abomination of Desolation is set up in "the Holy Place". See the the seventh trumpet judgments in the book of Revelation.

3. Since there is no temple in Jerusalem at this time, there is no Holy Place either. However, many Jews in Israel are seriously engaged in preparing for the erection of another temple in Jerusalem. And while it may appear to be an impossibility at the moment, prophecy must be fulfilled. Then there will literally be a Holy Place in Jerusalem as prophesied by Daniel and confirmed by Christ.

4. The Abomination of Desolation will in fact be an idol -- the image of the Beast, the Antichrist. And the Antichrist himself will LITERALLY sit in a LITERAL temple and LITERALLY claim to be God.

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that Man of Sin be revealed, the Son of Perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. (2 Thess 2:3,4)
 

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The Abomination that makes desolate; 70ad, Titus utterly destroyed the temple and the the city, fulfilling the warning issued by the Lord Jesus, our God, and our Lord, and bringing to an end to this day the sacrificial system, yet another sign of who Jesus is.
 

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This helps us to understand that the Son of man is not God who remains without a beginning and neither is there any infallible fleshly I infallible interpreter set between God not seen and man seen. (daysman) we walk by faith the unseen eternal not by sight after the temporal
Now this is just total nonsense which goes against Scripture. Looks like you are getting more and more confused every day (instead of the opposite).

1. Jesus is indeed the eternal Son of God. Which means that He is God.

2. The Man Christ Jesus is indeed in Heaven, as the one and only Mediator (Daysman) between God and men.

3. We may walk by faith and not by sight at present, but that will all change after the Resurrection/Rapture and the Second Coming of Christ.
 

JaumeJ

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When we pray in tongues it is the Holy Spirit giving us utterance.
 

JaumeJ

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Looks like you posted this in the wrong thread.
I cvrrtaingly believed I was commenting on a previous post within this thread. Chalk it up to my partial vision, low vision, or whaterer is your classification of such a problem.

Ignore me if I do this please…….thank you… God bless you endeavor...
 
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Christians cannot simply allegorize and spiritualize Bible prophecies as though their literal fulfillment does not matter. Your idea above does not meet the criteria of true prophecy.

1. First of all it is called "the Abomination of Desolation", not "desecration".

2. Desolation means rendering the earth desolate, which translates into the Great Tribulation, and all the supernatural disasters visited up the earth after the Abomination of Desolation is set up in "the Holy Place". See the the seventh trumpet judgments in the book of Revelation.

3. Since there is no temple in Jerusalem at this time, there is no Holy Place either. However, many Jews in Israel are seriously engaged in preparing for the erection of another temple in Jerusalem. And while it may appear to be an impossibility at the moment, prophecy must be fulfilled. Then there will literally be a Holy Place in Jerusalem as prophesied by Daniel and confirmed by Christ.

4. The Abomination of Desolation will in fact be an idol -- the image of the Beast, the Antichrist. And the Antichrist himself will LITERALLY sit in a LITERAL temple and LITERALLY claim to be God.

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that Man of Sin be revealed, the Son of Perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. (2 Thess 2:3,4)
Yes thanks...Desolation", not "desecration". a state of complete emptiness vanity .

You have described the first reference. Those that are looking as if the holy place was that seen the temporal and that not seen the eternal .

That would seem to turn things upside down and make the word of God without effect like the example of the faithless Jews.

The temporal temple used during the time there was Kings in Israel is used to represent unbelief in mankind the pagan form of government using a temples made with human hands. It fulfilled its one time purpose as a parable for the temporal time then present. The veil is rent... we walk by faith the unseen eternal.


Isaiah 29:16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

Even the Son of man Jesus refused to stand in the place of the abomination of desolation as a daysman. . . a fleshly mediator as a infallible umpire set between God our Father not seen, and the Son of man seen, having the approval of both him not seen and us seen.

Mark 10:17-19 King James Version (KJV) And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

We cannot I belive serve the courupted flesh and the incorruptble Spirit as two master.We walk by faith the unseen etranal .The one Master.
 
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Now this is just total nonsense which goes against Scripture. Looks like you are getting more and more confused every day (instead of the opposite).

1. Jesus is indeed the eternal Son of God. Which means that He is God.

2. The Man Christ Jesus is indeed in Heaven, as the one and only Mediator (Daysman) between God and men.

3. We may walk by faith and not by sight at present, but that will all change after the Resurrection/Rapture and the Second Coming of Christ.
It would seem against the literalist?

It would seem you are looking for a sign as a wonder . It already came .The sign of Jonas. the veil is rent... Jesus said it is a evil generation natural man that does seek after them( the temporal)

Corrupted flesh and blood that he inherited from his mother to include that of the Son of man, Jesus .it could never enter heaven (no corrupted flesh and blood)

He himself said of his own flesh and blood it profits for nothing . It was used one time to give the spiritual understanding hid in parables with without he spoke not....

The Son of God, is a phase that is used to represent our unseen God. Son of man. . . the temporal signified as sinful ( because he did live in a body of death) . It was a must in odder to demonstrate the unseen work of Him pouring out his Spirit as if God did have flesh and blood. Something the letter of the law could not (it l kills) the spirit of faith in respect to the law of faith (the unseen) it heals and creates new spirit life .

Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Son of man the temporal, and Son of God eternal as a priest continually .Never do the two become one as if the work could be attributed to what the eyes see. . The one time demonstration is over. (2 Corinthians 5:16)

Son of man. . . temporally.( walk by sight)

Son of God . . .continually without beginning or end of life. (walk by faith the unseen eternal

Hebrews 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Its Catholisicim that looks to make his birth the source of holy power in order to create the illusion of some queen mother. . No such thing as holiness of the corrupted flesh and blood.

Romans 1:3-5 King James Version (KJV) Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:( Not by his fleshly birth) By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
 
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The OP is desecrating this thread. It's really an abomination. This is a very desolated thread.
That's interesting. Is it because faith as it is written makes the temporal things seen without effect so that we might search for the un-seen eternal understandings?

Isaiah 29:16Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

From my perspective it looks like something is turned upside down taking away the understanding of one and giving it to the things of men seen, making the unseen holy place of faith without effect.

In that way the reformation is over removing of the temporal abomination of desolation /nothingness which speaks of a nation demanding a graven image be built made with human hands like the surrounding pagan nations an abomination of nothingness such Just something to feast ones eyes upon knowing the kingdom of God does not come by looking at temples made with human hands .

Makes me wonder when the last days comes will he find faith or the two witnesses the law and the prophets, or Moses and Elijah ..dead having been made to no effect after the oral traditions of men .

Revelation 11:8 The bodies of the two witnesses will lie in the street of the great city. This city is named Sodom and Egypt. These names for the city have a special meaning. This is the city where the Lord was killed.
 

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That's interesting. Is it because faith as it is written makes the temporal things seen without effect so that we might search for the un-seen eternal understandings?

Isaiah 29:16Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

From my perspective it looks like something is turned upside down taking away the understanding of one and giving it to the things of men seen, making the unseen holy place of faith without effect.

In that way the reformation is over removing of the temporal abomination of desolation /nothingness which speaks of a nation demanding a graven image be built made with human hands like the surrounding pagan nations an abomination of nothingness such Just something to feast ones eyes upon knowing the kingdom of God does not come by looking at temples made with human hands .

Makes me wonder when the last days comes will he find faith or the two witnesses the law and the prophets, or Moses and Elijah ..dead having been made to no effect after the oral traditions of men .

Revelation 11:8 The bodies of the two witnesses will lie in the street of the great city. This city is named Sodom and Egypt. These names for the city have a special meaning. This is the city where the Lord was killed.
Elijah is one of the witnesses for sure because he was alive when he was taken up in a chariot and it specifically states in the bible that he is coming back. I don't believe that the other is Moses as he actually died. Enoch is a possibility also as he was taken up alive too. Another possibility is the apostle John. At the end of that book Peter asked Jesus about the man (John) who was following close behind. Jesus told him that if He wished for John to remain alive until He came back then what was that to Peter, and told him to follow Him. Then a saying went among the apostles that this apostle (John) was not going to die but Jesus did not say that John wouldn't die but only that if He wished him to remain alive until He came back then what was that to Peter. Very interesting set of verses for sure possibility pertaining to end-time events.
 
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Elijah is one of the witnesses for sure because he was alive when he was taken up in a chariot and it specifically states in the bible that he is coming back. I don't believe that the other is Moses as he actually died. Enoch is a possibility also as he was taken up alive too. Another possibility is the apostle John. At the end of that book Peter asked Jesus about the man (John) who was following close behind. Jesus told him that if He wished for John to remain alive until He came back then what was that to Peter, and told him to follow Him. Then a saying went among the apostles that this apostle (John) was not going to die but Jesus did not say that John wouldn't die but only that if He wished him to remain alive until He came back then what was that to Peter. Very interesting set of verses for sure possibility pertaining to end-time events.

They don't come back in person they represent the witness of the word both working as one. The law written signified as Moses and the prophets the witness to the law Elijah .They have no body to come back in . their body of death having long ago returned to the dust.

Those are visions as thoughts inspired by God. God is not served by human hands in that way. And the incident with Peter was negative it teaches the opposite of what many that hope in the flesh hope for. Catholics in particular that must worship Peter a line of those that lord it over the faith of the non venerable pew Catholics requiring they seek the approval of men seen or they lose their foundation of lording it over another's understanding.

Peter started a rumor as a lie qualified as a oral trdaditon of men.( fathers)

Jesus said in effect. . If every time he had to expose a lie of man as a oral tradition .The whole world not be able to hold the book of lies. It made the oral tradition of Peter without effect. Rather than what Peter hoped for. That men who believe John would never die . Never could happen .Its appointed for all men to die and then receive a new body not of flesh and blood or never rise to new spirit life..