Adam and Eve

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Tintin

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I don't think she's angry, I think it's a fair enough assumption. Yes, I was raised in a Christian home, but was encouraged to think critically (many people believe the two are mutually exclusive). I never had problems with the question of Cain's wife etc. For example, even as a child I realised Adam and Eve were not only the first people, but the only people for sometime (probably under a year from their creation). Then they had Cain and Abel and Adam is mentioned as having other sons and daughters. Cain leaves and builds a city, his wife is mentioned. Therefore, the only possible deduction we can make, is that Cain married a female sibling. So he had a wife prior to being banished by God. The others who would kill Cain, if not for God's mark on him, would've been close relatives seeking revenge for their brother/uncle etc. Then Seth was born to Adam and Eve.
 

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As a new member I have a question that has been bothering me- I am curious about Christianity. Did Adam and Eve's children have children with each other? This is a question I have had problems with considering Christianity.
I would appreciate some enlightening on this topic.

Many thanks,

Charlie
Can you explain how the topic of Adam and Eve having children affect your decision about "Christianity" or placing one's faith in Jesus Christ who died for our sins and rose on the third day? Why are there problems?
 
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Kaycie

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Yes they did. The law against it, and the consequences for breaking it, did not exist yet.
 
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tanach

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The answer has to be yes. According to Genesis Adam and Eve had other Sons and Daughters. The Bible does not provide any more details, but there is more in a book called Jubilees that was written between the testaments and is a sort of condensed version of the books of Moses. In that book,(chapter 4), after the birth of Seth Adam and Eve had a Daughter called Azura they also had a Daughter called Awan who became Cains wife. Azura became the Wife of Seth. Nine other Sons of Adam and Eve are also mentioned also the Children and wives of Cain and Seth. This is more or less Jewish tradition. The book is not considered to be scripture.
 
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And as Adam and Eve were the only humans alive at the time ...
The evidence in the bible seems to show differently. “Then Cain went out from the presence of the Lord and dwelt in the land of Nod on the east of Eden. And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch.”

There must have been other people living in Nod that were not relatives of Adam. There is no evidence that Abel had a sister as his wife and brought her to the land of Nod. It seems more likely that he met the woman who became his wife in Nod. And also, Cain knew there were other people out there when he said to the Lord, “…. and it will happen that anyone who finds me will kill me.”

Cain is not prophesying here. He knows that he’s about to be driven out into a different region where there were other inhabitants on the earth.

After Cain was driven out and lived in Nod with other people not related to Adam, then Eve conceived another child to replace Abel.

The creation of the man Adam and the placement of him in a garden that the Lord planted can be viewed as a separate event/project taking place some time after the creation of man and woman on the 6[SUP]th[/SUP] day, Genesis 1: 26-31 and after the sanctification of the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day, Genesis 2: 1-3: “God said to them [the man and woman on that 6th day] ‘Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.’" Then afterwards on the 7th day God rested and sanctified the seventh day.

Then after this (how long after is not mentioned) we get the account of the creation of the man Adam and the planting of this special garden just for him. At this time the mankind that was created on the 6th day had already multiplied, which is why Cain was afraid because he knew there were other inhabitants out there on the earth. The creation of the man Adam must have been a later special project through which line of decedents God Himself in the form of the Man Jesus Christ would be born. And Noah was the only line from Adam who was pure in his generation to continue this line of decedents through the flood.
 
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Correction to the above: I meant to say "There is no evidence that Cain had a sister as his wife" I mistakenly said Abel.
 

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Adam lived for over 900 years. We do not know how many children he and Eve had, or how old Cain was when he married. Let's suppose Cain was born when Adam was 200 years old, and then Cain wants to marry by the time he is 200 years old. By that time, it is mathematically possible that Adam and Eve and all the other descendants could have generated a population of thousands and thousands of people. Cain would not have had to marry a sister, but whoever she was, she may have been closely related any ways.
 

Magenta

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The evidence in the bible seems to show differently. “Then Cain went out from the presence of the Lord and dwelt in the land of Nod on the east of Eden. And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch.”

There must have been other people living in Nod that were not relatives of Adam.
We don't know that the people in Nod were not related to Adam and Eve, or that Cain did not take his wife there before they consummated their relationship.
 
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I don't really know anything of the bible but thinking about the question practically it seems ridiculous because God was obviously just starting the species so there was no other way , also there was no society yet so no need for laws yet.

And God created everything correct? So he created plants and im not saying that we are plants but people are breeding plants for favorable characteristics some breeders have to stay within that gene pool by inbreeding unless they are manipulated in some way.

And the gene pool for those types of plants stay stable for only so many generations.

Maybe thats what God did with us,once the necessary inbreeding was successfully complete the longer it was practiced the more detrimental it was to the species.
 
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Also I was thinking that its proven that human inbreeding gives bad results and seeing as how humans are his greatest creation someone consciously doing this is tampering with what He Is specifically trying to do so that would be a crime against Him not man.

I don't know anything about scripture but I do know that committing a crime against God is very bad, some say unforgivable.
 

Magenta

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Also I was thinking that its proven that human inbreeding gives bad results and seeing as how humans are his greatest creation someone consciously doing this is tampering with what He Is specifically trying to do so that would be a crime against Him not man.

I don't know anything about scripture but I do know that committing a crime against God is very bad, some say unforgivable.
Thank you for sharing your insights :) You know, those crimes you mentioned, are called sins, and Jesus has paid the price for them. :) So they are not unforgivable. There is only one unforgivable sin.
 
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Tintin

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The evidence in the bible seems to show differently. “Then Cain went out from the presence of the Lord and dwelt in the land of Nod on the east of Eden. And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch.”

There must have been other people living in Nod that were not relatives of Adam. There is no evidence that Abel had a sister as his wife and brought her to the land of Nod. It seems more likely that he met the woman who became his wife in Nod. And also, Cain knew there were other people out there when he said to the Lord, “…. and it will happen that anyone who finds me will kill me.”

Cain is not prophesying here. He knows that he’s about to be driven out into a different region where there were other inhabitants on the earth.

After Cain was driven out and lived in Nod with other people not related to Adam, then Eve conceived another child to replace Abel.

The creation of the man Adam and the placement of him in a garden that the Lord planted can be viewed as a separate event/project taking place some time after the creation of man and woman on the 6[SUP]th[/SUP] day, Genesis 1: 26-31 and after the sanctification of the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day, Genesis 2: 1-3: “God said to them [the man and woman on that 6th day] ‘Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.’" Then afterwards on the 7th day God rested and sanctified the seventh day.

Then after this (how long after is not mentioned) we get the account of the creation of the man Adam and the planting of this special garden just for him. At this time the mankind that was created on the 6th day had already multiplied, which is why Cain was afraid because he knew there were other inhabitants out there on the earth. The creation of the man Adam must have been a later special project through which line of decedents God Himself in the form of the Man Jesus Christ would be born. And Noah was the only line from Adam who was pure in his generation to continue this line of decedents through the flood.
I see you didn't bother to read the rest of my posts. For shame.
 
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Tintin

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Adam lived for over 900 years. We do not know how many children he and Eve had, or how old Cain was when he married. Let's suppose Cain was born when Adam was 200 years old, and then Cain wants to marry by the time he is 200 years old. By that time, it is mathematically possible that Adam and Eve and all the other descendants could have generated a population of thousands and thousands of people. Cain would not have had to marry a sister, but whoever she was, she may have been closely related any ways.
Adam and Eve would likely have been in the garden of Eden a maximum of a few weeks before they rebelled against God. Cain was born after they had been banished. We know Seth was born when Adam was 130 years old and that this was a post-Fall world. We know Adam lived for 930 years. We know Cain was born first, then Abel (likely not long after) and much later, Seth. Between Abel and Seth, more children would have been born, possibly many of them. Therefore, Cain married one of his sisters or a niece etc.

Try this article for size:
Cain chronology - creation.com
 

Magenta

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Adam and Eve would likely have been in the garden of Eden a maximum of a few weeks before they rebelled against God. Cain was born after they had been banished. We know Seth was born when Adam was 130 years old and that this was a post-Fall world. We know Adam lived for 930 years. We know Cain was born first, then Abel (likely not long after) and much later, Seth. Between Abel and Seth, more children would have been born, possibly many of them. Therefore, Cain married one of his sisters or a niece etc.

Try this article for size:
Cain chronology - creation.com
Somebody tried to tell me once that Seth was born first... thank you for the age of Adam at the time of Seth's birth. But really we have no idea how long they were in the garden before being expelled. I have the link you gave open in another tab, to read when I am not so tired. Thank you, Tintin :)
 

Ella85

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Those links I posted give you the reasons why. Incest is wrong now and has been every since the time of Moses (around 1,450BC). Every person on this earth (past, present, future) must be descended from Adam. Because as descendants of Adam we all sin, and by Jesus Christ we can all be saved, if only we believe on and trust in Him. For God's grace to save all humanity, we must come from Adam, as he was the first man. Think about it. Christ is 100% God and 100% man (He was never good at Maths) and has been fully God and fully man ever since He came to earth as a baby boy. Only one who is both God and man and perfect in all His ways can be the sacrifice needed to save humanity, once and for all time. Therefore, Jesus is our Kinsman-Redeemer.
Nice reply Tintin
 
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Tintin

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Somebody tried to tell me once that Seth was born first... thank you for the age of Adam at the time of Seth's birth. But really we have no idea how long they were in the garden before being expelled. I have the link you gave open in another tab, to read when I am not so tired. Thank you, Tintin :)
You're welcome, sister. God bless. :)
 

Ella85

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Not only did Adam and Eve's children reproduce.....
but there are lots of other differences in the bible to how times are now.

For eg: Marriage
There was no such law for marriage at that time.

I guess at the end of the day it is all God's plan.
 

JGuy

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Well Lynn incest is against the law (both secular and religious), against progress of civilization, and would surely not be accepted by any right minded person of any religion.
And if Christianity claims morality as its domain and the Bible as the only guide, any contradictions should be explored before anyone considers your religion.
And finally, it seems almost clumsy to make two people without thought of the future of the species other than incest. Why not make many people at once rather than cause so much obvious confusion and discussion?
Thank you for your reply
Hi Charlie. Some thoughts to ponder:

I see that you are married. Have you ever considered that - no matter which view of the world you approach it by - that your wife is your cousin? Albeit, she is probably a distant cousin. That's a interesting thought now isn't it? :D

If a person has a problem with when genetically perfect or near perfect brothers and sisters were marrying in the beginning. Then how should they react when thinking about how closely related Adam was to his wife Eve. Afterall, she was literally made from his own flesh... compared to how close Adam and Eve were genetically, a brother and sister were more distantly related than Adam was to Eve. :p Just a thought.

About God making many different humans at the start instead of Adam and Eve. I don't like that idea. Trying to be practical - even though it actually might not be - in this case would leave relationships a bit colder, in my opinion. It would leave room for division. If you ask me, I would not want it another way than God told us He did it in the bible. I think this genetic connection we have with each other only adds to the value a person could have with not only a friend but much more with that person's wife or husband. You are in the same boat - so to speak - and it means you will only be that much closer to each other. I actually think this makes the romantic love we can have for a spouse that much stronger. And this gives interesting insight to Jesus teaching: do to others as you would have them to do to you.

By the way, on genetics and incest. Today, more details on the reason it is bad is because there is a higher probability that you and your sister (from the same immediate genetic line) would share the same genetic mutations. As such, it is more likely that there will not be a healthy dominant/non-mutated 'gene' between you two to counter act that mutation... and thus a higher chance that your child will express that defect. Take away this one problem, and there is no issues with how closely related you are to a person you might marry.

In the end, we have the opportunity to witness another case here - based on genetic discoveries - where we witness that trusting God (again) surpassed our own thinking.

There is a lot more to say about this stuff... but those are just a few nuggets. There is a lot of genetic facts that could be discussed to support the historical account given by bible. Like how the decay curve of ages of the patriarchs after the flood depicts what we now know is a biological decay curve. Or how we can see that humans skulls never stop growing - explaining possibly the morphology of neanderthals. Or the studies of genetic decay and one non-creationist scientific paper that argues man's peak intelligence was about 6000 years ago (contrary to any onward upward evolution stories). Neanderthals (which were humans) had brain capacities 10% greater than modern humans. They had better teeth than modern humans...etc.. all points to genetic decay. As the scripture says, all creation groans.. and waxes old like a garment... etc...

And what will you do with this information? Perhaps, realize that we are dying... all of humanity is dying. The process of death by old age that we see in a individual human is exactly what is happening to humanity as a whole... our reproduction is only slowing down the inevitable demise of humanity. It all sounds like a kill-joy, huh? It is... But, have you ever heard the Gospel about Jesus? :)

May God bless you Charlie.

- JGuy
 
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tanach

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Whatever way you look at it the children of Adam and Eve must have had sexual relations with each other and produced children. The only other explanation is that God created another race of human beings, which brings another set of problems such as did fall as well and did Christ die for them?
 

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As a new member I have a question that has been bothering me- I am curious about Christianity. Did Adam and Eve's children have children with each other? This is a question I have had problems with considering Christianity.
I would appreciate some enlightening on this topic.

Many thanks,

Charlie
My answer is "No"... I believe God created other men and women of all races (mankind). "Male and female created he them" (Genesis 1:27). The story continues and focuses on Adam and Eve, because it was through their lineage that Messiah would come, which is why Eve is referred to as the mother of all living. Most scientist agree that its not genetically possible for all humans to have descended from one couple.. Admittedly, my opinion is of the minority. The 8th Day Creation of Man