Adam was not deceived but chose to eat of the forbidden tree. Why?
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Adam knew good. He knew God. God is good. He knew God's creation. God's creation was good, very good even 
It strikes me as being quite odd for anyone to say Adam did not know he was disobeying God.
It strikes me as being quite odd for anyone to say Adam did not know he was disobeying God.
You're not reading what I wrote.
Eve believed and then acted on the belief. The action was the sin.
The Bible also says "Women, however, will be saved through childbearing..." Shall we take that to mean any woman who has had a child is saved? Or those who cannot are not saved?
I'm trying to elevate this discussion beyond our Sunday School understanding of the story.
The standard is this: "But every man is tempted when he is drawn away by his own lust and enticed. Then, when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin..."
Adam's transgression was that he ate the fruit. Assuming Eve did not sneak it into a fruit salad, Adam knew what he was doing when he ate the fruit. From the account, we can surmise that Adam, who was with woman, ate because of the lust of his eyes, flesh, and because of pride. This was the lie: that to satiate his lusts is greater than to obey God. So yes, he believed the lie. He wasn't deceived by the serpent, he took the fruit for himself believing it was the best choice.
Curious: How do you explain Adam's sin? What did Adam believe when he ate the fruit?
Eve believed and then acted on the belief. The action was the sin.
The Bible also says "Women, however, will be saved through childbearing..." Shall we take that to mean any woman who has had a child is saved? Or those who cannot are not saved?
I'm trying to elevate this discussion beyond our Sunday School understanding of the story.
The standard is this: "But every man is tempted when he is drawn away by his own lust and enticed. Then, when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin..."
Adam's transgression was that he ate the fruit. Assuming Eve did not sneak it into a fruit salad, Adam knew what he was doing when he ate the fruit. From the account, we can surmise that Adam, who was with woman, ate because of the lust of his eyes, flesh, and because of pride. This was the lie: that to satiate his lusts is greater than to obey God. So yes, he believed the lie. He wasn't deceived by the serpent, he took the fruit for himself believing it was the best choice.
Curious: How do you explain Adam's sin? What did Adam believe when he ate the fruit?
They were not commanded not to look at itBoth trees were in the middle of the garden...
Still, very odd for anyone to say Adam did not know he was disobeying God to disobey God.
Both trees were in the middle of the garden...Still, very odd for anyone to say Adam did not know he was disobeying God to disobey God.
Genesis 3:6-7 NKJV
6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes,
and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her
husband with her, and he ate. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew
that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves coverings.
It would seem their eyes were not opened until after Adam ate.
Genesis 2:17
6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes,
and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her
husband with her, and he ate. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew
that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves coverings.
It would seem their eyes were not opened until after Adam ate.
Genesis 2:17
Genesis 3:6-7 NKJV
6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes,
and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her
husband with her, and he ate. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew
that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves coverings.
It would seem their eyes were not opened until after Adam ate.
Genesis 2:17
6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes,
and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her
husband with her, and he ate. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew
that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves coverings.
It would seem their eyes were not opened until after Adam ate.
Genesis 2:17
Yes, it is confirmed by the Bible that Adam deliberately chose to believe Satan in preference to God's word. I believe that Satan showed Adam a future world system, much as he showed Jesus the Kingdoms of the world. Adam and Eve were lacking. God gave them the choice to be completed, either by the tree of life or by knowledge, which means either by soul or spirit. Adam's disobedience brought death on the whole human race (1 Corinthians 15:22).
Christians have the same choice. Some choose to be led by the principle of Spirit and Life, which is to be continually led by, and dependent upon, the life of Christ within. Others choose to go by feelings, intellect or to live by self will. Choosing life means humility and dependence. Choosing knowledge feed pride and independence. (1 Corinthians 8:1). To be Kingdom people and enjoy Kingdom rewards, we must choose life continually. It won't be easy. The heart is deceitful above all things. There is much to overcome. However, humbly depending on Lord Jesus will make us useful in His service.
Christians have the same choice. Some choose to be led by the principle of Spirit and Life, which is to be continually led by, and dependent upon, the life of Christ within. Others choose to go by feelings, intellect or to live by self will. Choosing life means humility and dependence. Choosing knowledge feed pride and independence. (1 Corinthians 8:1). To be Kingdom people and enjoy Kingdom rewards, we must choose life continually. It won't be easy. The heart is deceitful above all things. There is much to overcome. However, humbly depending on Lord Jesus will make us useful in His service.
