Adam was not deceived but chose to eat of the forbidden tree. Why?
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• Gen 3:6e . . She also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he
ate it.
The phrase "who was with her" has led some folks to suggest that Adam was
standing beside his woman all thru the incident; but it could simply mean
they were still a cohabiting couple, viz: weren't split up living apart.
But hey! Where was God during all this? Shouldn't the all-powerful loving
God have stepped in to prevent the so-called fall of man?
Well; I think we all need to remember that humanity wasn't created to be
the subject of domestication and animal husbandry-- i.e. beasts. People
were created in the image and likeness of God, and given complete dominion
over the entire Earth. In that capacity humanity is at liberty to manage its
own affairs as if it were a divine sovereign rather than prisoners in a
dystopian society, e.g. the Big Brother world of George Orwell's novel:
Nineteen Eighty-Four.
* Rather than taking the bull by the horns and doing something to cure
humanity's propensity to destroy itself, product liability lawsuits go after
suppliers who provide the means. Well, all I can say to that is: thank God
the creator is out of their reach or they'd do the same to Him for planting
that forbidden tree in the garden where Adam could find it.
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• Gen 3:6e . . She also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he
ate it.
The phrase "who was with her" has led some folks to suggest that Adam was
standing beside his woman all thru the incident; but it could simply mean
they were still a cohabiting couple, viz: weren't split up living apart.
But hey! Where was God during all this? Shouldn't the all-powerful loving
God have stepped in to prevent the so-called fall of man?
Well; I think we all need to remember that humanity wasn't created to be
the subject of domestication and animal husbandry-- i.e. beasts. People
were created in the image and likeness of God, and given complete dominion
over the entire Earth. In that capacity humanity is at liberty to manage its
own affairs as if it were a divine sovereign rather than prisoners in a
dystopian society, e.g. the Big Brother world of George Orwell's novel:
Nineteen Eighty-Four.
* Rather than taking the bull by the horns and doing something to cure
humanity's propensity to destroy itself, product liability lawsuits go after
suppliers who provide the means. Well, all I can say to that is: thank God
the creator is out of their reach or they'd do the same to Him for planting
that forbidden tree in the garden where Adam could find it.
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• Gen 2:15-17 . .And the Lord God commanded the man, saying: Of every
tree of the garden you are free to eat; but as for the tree of knowledge of
good and bad, you must not eat of it; for in the day you eat of it, you shall
die.
In order for his maker's warning to resonate in Adam's thinking; it had to be
related to death as he understood death in his own day rather than death as
modern Sunday school classes construe it in their day. In other words:
Adam's concept of death was primitive, i.e. normal and natural rather than
spiritual and sophisticated.
As far as can be known from scripture, Man is the only specie that God
created in His own image, viz: a creature blessed with perpetual youth. The
animal kingdom was given nothing like it.
That being the case, then I think it's safe to assume that death was common
all around Adam by means of vegetation, birds, bugs, and beasts so that it
wasn't a strange new word in his vocabulary; i.e. God didn't have to take a
moment and define death for Adam seeing as how it was doubtless a
common occurrence in his everyday life.
Adam saw grasses spout. He saw them grow to maturity, bloom with
flowers, and produce seeds. He watched as they withered, became dry and
brittle, and then dissolve into nothing. So I think we can be reasonably
confident that Adam was up to speed on at least the natural aspects of death
and fully understood that if he went ahead and tasted the forbidden fruit
that his body would lose its perpetual youth and end up no more permanent
than grass.
In other words; had Adam not eaten of the forbidden tree, he would've
remained in perfect health but the very day that he tasted its fruit, his body
became infected with mortality, i.e. he lost perpetual youth and began to
age; a condition easily remedied by the tree of life but alas, Adam was
denied access to it.
Mortality is a lingering, walking death rather than sudden death, i.e.
mortality is slow, but very relentless: like Arnold Swarzenegger's movie
character The Terminator-- mortality feels neither pain nor pity, nor remorse
nor fear; it cannot be reasoned with nor can it be bargained with, and it
absolutely will not stop-- ever! - until you are ready for burial.
"A voice said: Shout! I asked: What should I shout? Shout that people are
like the grass that dies away. Their beauty fades as quickly as the beauty of
flowers in a field. The grass withers, and the flowers fade beneath the breath
of The Lord. And so it is with people. The grass withers, and the flowers
fade, but the word of our God stands forever." (Isa 40:6-8)
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• Gen 2:15-17 . .And the Lord God commanded the man, saying: Of every
tree of the garden you are free to eat; but as for the tree of knowledge of
good and bad, you must not eat of it; for in the day you eat of it, you shall
die.
In order for his maker's warning to resonate in Adam's thinking; it had to be
related to death as he understood death in his own day rather than death as
modern Sunday school classes construe it in their day. In other words:
Adam's concept of death was primitive, i.e. normal and natural rather than
spiritual and sophisticated.
As far as can be known from scripture, Man is the only specie that God
created in His own image, viz: a creature blessed with perpetual youth. The
animal kingdom was given nothing like it.
That being the case, then I think it's safe to assume that death was common
all around Adam by means of vegetation, birds, bugs, and beasts so that it
wasn't a strange new word in his vocabulary; i.e. God didn't have to take a
moment and define death for Adam seeing as how it was doubtless a
common occurrence in his everyday life.
Adam saw grasses spout. He saw them grow to maturity, bloom with
flowers, and produce seeds. He watched as they withered, became dry and
brittle, and then dissolve into nothing. So I think we can be reasonably
confident that Adam was up to speed on at least the natural aspects of death
and fully understood that if he went ahead and tasted the forbidden fruit
that his body would lose its perpetual youth and end up no more permanent
than grass.
In other words; had Adam not eaten of the forbidden tree, he would've
remained in perfect health but the very day that he tasted its fruit, his body
became infected with mortality, i.e. he lost perpetual youth and began to
age; a condition easily remedied by the tree of life but alas, Adam was
denied access to it.
Mortality is a lingering, walking death rather than sudden death, i.e.
mortality is slow, but very relentless: like Arnold Swarzenegger's movie
character The Terminator-- mortality feels neither pain nor pity, nor remorse
nor fear; it cannot be reasoned with nor can it be bargained with, and it
absolutely will not stop-- ever! - until you are ready for burial.
"A voice said: Shout! I asked: What should I shout? Shout that people are
like the grass that dies away. Their beauty fades as quickly as the beauty of
flowers in a field. The grass withers, and the flowers fade beneath the breath
of The Lord. And so it is with people. The grass withers, and the flowers
fade, but the word of our God stands forever." (Isa 40:6-8)
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Adam was with Eve the whole time....
Could have done a LOT of things.
Could have corrected what Eve thought God said....
Could have smacked her hand when she grabbed the fruit.
Could have refused the fruit she handed him.
Could have reminded her that God wouldn't lie. (Had no reason to)
Could have gone to God and said" First wife spiritually died God, I need another one....I ain't sleeping with her"
Could have done a LOT of things.
Could have corrected what Eve thought God said....
Could have smacked her hand when she grabbed the fruit.
Could have refused the fruit she handed him.
Could have reminded her that God wouldn't lie. (Had no reason to)
Could have gone to God and said" First wife spiritually died God, I need another one....I ain't sleeping with her"
i think the evidence of the narrative shows that it wasn't the fruit, or their sin, that made them like God, but their faith.
that, becoming like God by rebelling against God was another lie from Satan.
Adam receives the gospel in the form of the promised Seed - because he believes it, he changes Woman's name to Eve.
that's an extraordinary thing to do - she has just become dead, and judged, so he calls her life?
it's at that point God clothes them - covering them - and says this of ha-adam, which can either be 'the man' or the name 'Adam'
in the midst of our falling, this is a salvation story; the Bible is a salvation story - for God so loved the world that He gave Himself, so that whosoever believes could have eternal life
that, becoming like God by rebelling against God was another lie from Satan.
Adam receives the gospel in the form of the promised Seed - because he believes it, he changes Woman's name to Eve.
that's an extraordinary thing to do - she has just become dead, and judged, so he calls her life?
it's at that point God clothes them - covering them - and says this of ha-adam, which can either be 'the man' or the name 'Adam'
in the midst of our falling, this is a salvation story; the Bible is a salvation story - for God so loved the world that He gave Himself, so that whosoever believes could have eternal life
Why did Adam do it?
Because he sinned... why? There are Many reasons for sin but at the top of the list it is a lack of faith and trust in God. A lack of love for God. A lack of understading of God.
I believe Adam seen what Eve had done and weighed up the options. A life without Eve or join her and if she dies he would die with her. He loved Eve more then God. ..
People are still being deceived today by the same lie. Churches are teaching the same lie, "you will not surely die".
Because he sinned... why? There are Many reasons for sin but at the top of the list it is a lack of faith and trust in God. A lack of love for God. A lack of understading of God.
I believe Adam seen what Eve had done and weighed up the options. A life without Eve or join her and if she dies he would die with her. He loved Eve more then God. ..
People are still being deceived today by the same lie. Churches are teaching the same lie, "you will not surely die".
I do not believe Adam was present when Satan approached his wife.
My cat may burn his paws on the stove top. So I tell him, you know what, don't even go near it.
But the point is that if Adam is believing any lie, he is by definition deceived, and that contradicts 1 Timothy. So any view that has Adam believing a lie is an incorrect view, needs to be tossed, and the whole thing reconsidered
My cat may burn his paws on the stove top. So I tell him, you know what, don't even go near it.
But the point is that if Adam is believing any lie, he is by definition deceived, and that contradicts 1 Timothy. So any view that has Adam believing a lie is an incorrect view, needs to be tossed, and the whole thing reconsidered
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Maybe Adam was just ignorant. He did not understand the consequences and choose to see if what the serpent said was true? Like when you tell a child not to do something that might harm, the child doesn't always understand the reason and thinks the parent is just being mean, and through ignorance and stubbornness tries it anyway? So he willingly defined God.
You must have a death wish!
I probably should've written, "put on my crash helmet and riot gear" tho...
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I think not believing in God's love for us is the root of that problem. Anyone that 'knows' that God loves them, 'trusts' that He'd never lie to them. It's important to recognize lies (spoken as serious truth) as actually hatred in stealthy disguise. But most people miss this especially if they've been living in a culture that perpetually practices as a common way of 'life.' It's confusing to begin and having to work to compensate for them is exhausting to the point of a blind acceptance. Most unfortunate.
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you are not alone in that, and I've certainly found comfort in what otherwise might be considered groupthink, but we will all stand alone before God. So, I guess I'm calling Adam to the stand here. I will call Eve up eventually, but I am a bit concerned that a mob might have an all to happy day setting her on fire... :/
No that first verse and quote said by the serpent is a lie. It's very subtle though indeed the First Lie ever told. He asks a crooked question very subtly setting her up implying that God said she could eat any of the trees.. Eve did not lie at this point because she was created very good. Eve actually answered correctly, she answers the question rightly by saying that God said they could eat any of the trees, except for that tree, and that God even told them the truth that they would die if they did, which is the essence of what God said and also what actually happened to them for eating it!
Though the woman didn't fall for the First Lie outright, it's very subtle, the Devil trapped her spiritually setting her up in the First Lie and he weaves it together with the other two. When she answers correctly the old serpent immediately springs and strikes and casts the other two by telling her that she will not die if she eats the fruit, and then he immediately hits her with the third lie, that God doesn't want them to eat the fruit because by eating she will become like God. All Three Lies taken together overrun her mind and bent it which we see in the Fatal Verse seeing what she sees and is thinking which is why she eats, and also gives to her husband who merely just eats what she gives him and all of a sudden he's tripping out with shame and fear.
What happened when they ate? Was any of the three Lies the serpent tells true? Were they allowed to eat any of the trees? Did they not die for eating the fruit? Did woman become like a jealous God? No they were all lies and that is why the serpent is called the Devil, the father of lies, he abode not in the truth from the beginning. God's word came true and they knew shame and fear and death because of eating the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The serpent lied and blasphemed the Spirit by rending it into the Three Lies that are still in his mouth like toads, the spirit of demons, all just to try to attack God by killing his son made in his image and causing the entire creation which it pleased God to make in the two chapters prior to become corrupt and destined for destruction. Cursed is he, his destiny is to die irredeemably and his whole kingdom of possessed creations will be put to the Sword, praise Jesus the seed of the prophesied virgin bride that will stomp the head of the serpent, he is Jesus, amen.
Though the woman didn't fall for the First Lie outright, it's very subtle, the Devil trapped her spiritually setting her up in the First Lie and he weaves it together with the other two. When she answers correctly the old serpent immediately springs and strikes and casts the other two by telling her that she will not die if she eats the fruit, and then he immediately hits her with the third lie, that God doesn't want them to eat the fruit because by eating she will become like God. All Three Lies taken together overrun her mind and bent it which we see in the Fatal Verse seeing what she sees and is thinking which is why she eats, and also gives to her husband who merely just eats what she gives him and all of a sudden he's tripping out with shame and fear.
What happened when they ate? Was any of the three Lies the serpent tells true? Were they allowed to eat any of the trees? Did they not die for eating the fruit? Did woman become like a jealous God? No they were all lies and that is why the serpent is called the Devil, the father of lies, he abode not in the truth from the beginning. God's word came true and they knew shame and fear and death because of eating the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The serpent lied and blasphemed the Spirit by rending it into the Three Lies that are still in his mouth like toads, the spirit of demons, all just to try to attack God by killing his son made in his image and causing the entire creation which it pleased God to make in the two chapters prior to become corrupt and destined for destruction. Cursed is he, his destiny is to die irredeemably and his whole kingdom of possessed creations will be put to the Sword, praise Jesus the seed of the prophesied virgin bride that will stomp the head of the serpent, he is Jesus, amen.