Against OSAS: some of the best warnings to the churches!

TonyJay · Jul 31, 2016

We are very close on this.
I believe in OSAS and I believe in free will.
OSAS IMHO does not mean that one cannot turn away from God deliberately and explicitly (i.e. exercise free will), however merely(!) sinning in and of itself does not void our salvation.
I am not minimising sin and its impact here that I believe are very real only that once saved sin does not separate us from God and place us in the situation that we were in prior to salvation.
I absolutely do believe that one can reject God entirely only that doing it is an explicit and deliberate transaction.

The above is just a small potted summary - expanding this is a large chapter in a big book.

Thank you for your honesty and trust - much appreciated!

p_rehbein · Jul 31, 2016

TonyJay said:

I agree with you to a degree. Only that I would state that "willful sin" does, in fact, drive a wedge between us and God. However, unintended sins do not. And, as long as we are faithful to confess such sins and ask forgiveness for such sins, He is faithful to forgive us and we remain within His loving arms.

But, what you say, is far different than what the hardcore OSAS believers say. So, I'm not so sure you actually believe in OSAS, but, rather in saving Grace. Big difference there.

Our unintended sins do not void our salvation........however, IF we refuse to repent, and return to HIm, we stand in danger of being cast away on the day of Atonement. We can not have unconfessed/unrepented sins between us and God. We must be in one accord with Him, and He is faithful to forgive us as did the father whose son left home, squandered his Inheritance, regretted his sinful actions and returned to his father to repent and ask forgiveness. The father rejoiced! Fograve the son and even had a feast in his honor. However, how would this story have played out if the son NEVER returned to his father, never repented of his sins, and never asked forgiveness?

Something to consider.

TonyJay · Jul 31, 2016

p_rehbein said:

I agree with you to a degree. Only that I would state that "willful sin" does, in fact, drive a wedge between us and God. However, unintended sins do not. And, as long as we are faithful to confess such sins and ask forgiveness for such sins, He is faithful to forgive us and we remain within His loving arms.

But, what you say, is far different than what the hardcore OSAS believers say. So, I'm not so sure you actually believe in OSAS, but, rather in saving Grace. Big difference there.

Our unintended sins do not void our salvation........however, IF we refuse to repent, and return to HIm, we stand in danger of being cast away on the day of Atonement. We can not have unconfessed/unrepented sins between us and God. We must be in one accord with Him, and He is faithful to forgive us as did the father whose son left home, squandered his Inheritance, regretted his sinful actions and returned to his father to repent and ask forgiveness. The father rejoiced! Fograve the son and even had a feast in his honor. However, how would this story have played out if the son NEVER returned to his father, never repented of his sins, and never asked forgiveness?

Something to consider.

No argument there!

Grace777x70 · Jul 31, 2016

There is no story of the son not coming back to the father. However for consideration's sake. If the son had died while eating the pig's slop - would he all of a sudden become an "un-son"? Do we with our behavior nullify the fact that we are our own father's son/daughter? It would be a much better life here on this earth if we had a trusting relationship with our fathers - but we never become an "un-child" at any time.

This is why I believe in OSAS - because we are God's child and are sealed with the Holy Spirit when we believed. ( Eph. 1:13 ) What are we sealed from?

Jesus Himself said in John 14:16-17 " The Comforter. He shall be with you and in you forever." I have to ask myself - does Jesus lie here?

I don't believe Jesus is a liar nor do I think He is looking for some legal loophole to cast us away from Him and the Father. They love us deeply and they have obtained an eternal salvation with Christ's completed work on the cross and resurrection so that we could be with them for eternity.

There are so many more verses of Jesus saying we have eternal life and there are no "additions" to his statements. I don't believe Jesus was like a Philadelphia lawyer that spoke in veiled and mis-leading speech.

Just my thoughts on the subject but I respect others that have different opinions. People should be able to express their views without being attacked.

mailmandan · Jul 31, 2016

p_rehbein said:

In regards to the sinner's prayer, for a person who comes to the realization that they have sinned and come short of the glory of God and that the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord (Romans 3:23; 6:23), they may only obtain salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

They need to understand that Jesus Christ, God in the flesh, took their sins and paid the penalty for his sins by His sacrifice on the cross of Calvary, was buried, and rose again the third day, and they need only make a genuine and willful decision to trust exclusively in Christ's finished work of redemption as the all sufficient means of their salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Romans 1:16). In doing so, they are calling upon the name of the Lord to save him (Romans 10:13).

Now if subsequent to such a decision, the person would like to pray what some call a "sinner’s prayer," they may do so, as long as they understand that it was their decision to trust in Christ that apprehends their salvation and not simply by reciting the words in a prayer. Prayer, in of itself does not save, as if it's a magical formula to recite a set of words, but prayer may be used to "call upon the name of the Lord" to become saved.

Where does the Bible specifically say that a really "saved" person really "lost their salvation?" I'm still looking for that verse.

That would mean that I would have to change what Scripture says about eternal security.

Psalm 37:28 - For the Lord loves justice, And does not forsake His saints; They are preserved forever, But the descendants of the wicked shall be cut off. Should we change "preserved forever" into temporarily preserved?

John 10:27 - My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. Should we change that to "I know some of them and some of them follow Me and some of them don't?" Some He gives eternal life and some He doesn't and some will never perish and some of them will? Some will not be snatched from His hand and some of them will?

Romans 8:30 - Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. Should we change that to some He justified will not be glorified?

1 Corinthians 1:8 - He will also confirm/keep you strong to the end, blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. Change it to He will not confirm/keep you strong to the end?

2 Corinthians 1:22 - set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

2 Corinthians 5:5 - Now the one who has fashioned us for this very purpose is God, who has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

Ephesians 1:13 - In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory. Should we change it? God's guarantee is no good?

Ephesians 4:30 - And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for/unto the day of redemption. Change it to temporarily sealed?

Philippians 1:6 - being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ. Should we change it to will not complete it?

Scripture must harmonize with Scripture.

UnderGrace · Jul 31, 2016

If the Judge has declared you INNOCENT of all crimes past, present and future based on the

acceptance by you of the payment of the debt, and the debt is indeed paid, how do you in

your free will undo the declaration of the Judge?

Unless perhaps you do not believe the Judge or you have not accepted the payment for yourself?

PaulMack · Jul 31, 2016

How does the sins of a person nullify his Salvation if Salvation was GIVEN to us by the Grace of God? Where in the Scriptures does God say He will take away our Salvation if we sin?????????

Ephesians 2:8
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

Its NOT by anything we have done or will do that gives us our Salvation.

Therefore its not by anything we can do or have done that will take away our Salvation!

Too many people rely on their own efforts to receive Salvation and because of this they teach we can lose our Salvation by our own efforts. This is what Satan wants people to believe. Because if Satan can keep you focused on trying to keep your Salvation, you will not then be focused on God!

ukok102nak · Jul 31, 2016

... . as it is written
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1 Juan: 4. 5. They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

. ... so as it is written
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Mga Taga-Filipos: 3. 19. Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
20. For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21. Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

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godbless us all always

AuntieAnt · Jul 31, 2016

NarrowRoadDisciple said:

The state of what? Unbelief. When we turn from our first love, Jesus Christ, go back to the beggarly state of striving to make the outward man good and holy and obedient, we are like the son who was found eating with pigs. You may call him the "prodigal" son, but that is actually not in the Bible. It literally says the son who was lost. In other words, the son who forgot who he was and whose he was. In truth, he never stopped being his father’s son. Jesus referred to him as the son throughout the entire parable. He just was in a state of unbelief. The son's will, his falling into worldly behavior, even his forgetting how great a love his father had for him, did not change the father's will for him. The father's great love brought the son back.

Are any of us like the other son who was confused and greatly upset that his father celebrated his brother's return? Do we also believe that our obedience earns us the celebration, and not our "sinful" brother?

RobbyEarl said:

God will tryto stop you? Do you actually believe God tries… and sometimes cannot not succeed? Do you realize how contrary that statement is to JESUS IS LORD OF ALL? Are you under the impression that you & God are in a constant struggle?

No, the Word tells us our flesh wars with the spirit of Christ in us. Our own understanding is what needs to submit to the mind of Christ which is already in us.

Your will (your decision) is to believe Jesus or not to believe him. Your will is not sovereign or mighty nor can your will cast down strongholds. Your will (your decision) cannot overcome God.

2 Corinthians 10:4-7
For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds. Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled. Do ye look on things after the outward appearance? If any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ's, even so are we Christ's.

God casts down our imaginations through Christ.
God brings every thought into captivity to obey Jesus Christ.
If you trust you are Christ's, your obedience is fulfilled.
Only believe.

You could never exalt your will against God's might. God cannot change. His plan is perfect and he is bringing down all your own imaginations of him and bringing your mind into captivity and fulfilling his promises in you. God is the same yesterday, today and forever. You can rest in him and stop all your striving. That is the good news!

Peter didn't walk on the water because he willed to do. Jesus called him out to walk on the water and Peter just believed him. As soon as Peter looked at the wind & waves and realized it was impossible in the flesh, he began to sink. Peter changed his mind. He focused on himself, on his own will rather than Christ’s will. Even then, Jesus did not let Peter sink. He asked him, “Why did you doubt?” It's by believing Jesus and having faith in him that we live, not by our sheer will.

That is the fundamental plan of salvation ~ faith in Christ alone. Not in your will.

John 1:12, 13
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name; Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

p_rehbein said:

“Free will” is not a Biblical term. That’s somebody’s false imaginations. It’s dogma. Your will is not saved. Your spirit is saved. If you are God’s, you have the mind of Christ. We either believe Christ in our hearts, or we believe in our own understanding, the flesh. We are spiritual beings and the kingdom of God dwells within us. God is ruling us. Anything else that tells you you’re in control of God’s will is denying who Christ is and what he has done. And even so, even if you doubt him like Peter did, he can’t deny himself. He still remains faithful.

And here’s the rub: your carnal mind, your flesh, your intellect, will never believe the truth. Because it’s impossible for the flesh to receive anything from God. You must believe Jesus is Lord of your life by faith in him. Jesus IS Lord.

ukok102nak · Jul 31, 2016

. ... as it is written
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Deuteronomio: 23. 23. That which is gone out of thy lips thou shalt keep and perform; even a freewill offering, according as thou hast vowed unto the LORD thy God, which thou hast promised with thy mouth.
24. When thou comest into thy neighbour's vineyard, then thou mayest eat grapes thy fill at thine own pleasure; but thou shalt not put any in thy vessel.
25. When thou comest into the standing corn of thy neighbour, then thou mayest pluck the ears with thine hand; but thou shalt not move a sickle unto thy neighbour's standing corn.

~;> so as it is written
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Marcos: 7. 13. Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

14. And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:

15. There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
16. If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.

... . AND ALSO
READ THIS PART OF THE SCRIPTURES
WHEN GOD TOLD UNTO HIMSELF ABOUT
HOW THOSE PEOPLE BEFORE BEEN DECEIVED BY EVIL THINGS BECAUSE GOD NEVER GIVE ANY COMMANDMENTS UNTO THOSE PEOPLE IN THE PAST
WHERE THEY USED THEIR FREEWILL TO OBEYED EVIL
as it is written
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Jeremias: 19. 5. They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind: 6. Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that this place shall no more be called Tophet, nor The valley of the son of Hinnom, but The valley of slaughter.

:8) AND THATS WHY IT IS WRITTEN TO REMIND US ALL
THE TRUTH
SO THAT THERE WILL BE
NO FALSE TEACHINGS THAT COULD DECEIVED EVERYONE
AS LONG AS THEY KNOW THE VERY WRITTEN WORDS OF GOD
WHO IS GOOD AND CANNOT LIE

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godbless us all always

p_rehbein · Jul 31, 2016

PaulMack said:

How does the sins of a person nullify his Salvation if Salvation was GIVEN to us by the Grace of God? Where in the Scriptures does God say He will take away our Salvation if we sin?????????

Ephesians 2:8
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

Its NOT by anything we have done or will do that gives us our Salvation.

Therefore its not by anything we can do or have done that will take away our Salvation!

Too many people rely on their own efforts to receive Salvation and because of this they teach we can lose our Salvation by our own efforts. This is what Satan wants people to believe. Because if Satan can keep you focused on trying to keep your Salvation, you will not then be focused on God!

Ok, this is confusing.......in your comment #343, you state........."no arguments there," then you post this?

Stephen63 · Jul 31, 2016

Titus 3:9-11 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. [SUP]10 [/SUP]A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; [SUP]11 [/SUP]Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

AuntieAnt · Jul 31, 2016

This was written by Jim Minker, Christian teacher & author who has gone on with the Lord last month:

Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law. Romans 3:31

It is amazing how well the legalist mind has entrenched itself in the very words Paul wrote to destroy its logic!! I know exactly what you feel when you read this. There is that uneasiness that makes us call out, "Why did Paul have to write it like this?" The simple fact is that our language has evolved over the years in an attempt to change the original impact and meaning.

Remember that Jesus did not come to do away with the Law ... as if there was a problem with it ... but He came to FULFILL it! And that is exactly what He did when He died on the cross and rose again. If it is fulfilled, then there is nothing left undone in regards to it. Are you following me? If it is really fulfilled, then how much is left for you to fulfill? But this is just the beginning.

You see how he speaks of faith? He asks if it nullifies the Law. Does our faith in Christ make the law void? Consider carefully how often we have suggested something along those lines in our attempt to draw the line between law and grace. But the line is not made by our carefully constructed division. It was made in Christ when He fulfilled it!! Watch how easily you will get pulled from the reality of the good news message when the legalist mind challenges you in this. The fantastic reality is that we don't have to go any farther than to Christ in His finished work.

Do we have to nullify (or void out) the law? Are we really put in the position of having to defend our "fragile" concept of grace? Or is the freedom of Christ so powerful that it is what defines reality? Obviously, the latter is true.

The fact is that the Law cannot even be understood apart from the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. Do you catch the impact of that? We have been given the mind of Christ ... we have been made to KNOW GOD!! God was not understood by man through the Law. Oh, yeah ... things ABOUT God, but not God Himself. For the natural mind CANNOT understand the actual stuff of the Spirit of God. It CANNOT!!!

So, then, where does that put us? Faith rules out boasting (Romans 3:27) ... right? How does it do so? Simple ...faith is not something that can be considered a WORK of man. Faith is miraculous, for the fact that we have believed in Christ has declared that we could not do ANYTHING to save ourselves in any way. And that is very UN-natural ... don't you think?

For we maintain that a man is justified by faith APART from works of the LAW. Romans 3:28

And the far reaching implications of this had Paul describes how God is not only God of the Jews, but also God of the Gentiles (that's us). This is important. If He had any intention of using the law in any sense to gain access to Him, then it would have been through forming us after the Jews (proselytes).

But here is the fantastic news. It had NOTHING to do with the Law at all. The law was ADDED for a reason, but it was NOT to make a way to get to God!!!!! This is the basic fallacy in ALL attempts to use something that we can do to get us closer to God. The law has revealed man's inability to do ANYTHING of God! And with all the specific rules He gave He embedded that truth over and over and over and over again. But do we get it? Have we figured it out by all our attempts to do it? We keep failing and trying again ... failing and trying another way ... etc.

And here it is!! The very reality that TRULY REVEALS the righteousness of God is FAITH (the law reveals the sin). The very thing that has shown that there is no difference between those who were given the set of commands and those who couldn't care less is FAITH (the law makes us think that God must be more pleased with those He gave the law to). The very thing that makes us RIGHT is FAITH (the law condemns us, and rightly so).

So, then, faith doesn't do away with law IT ACTUALLY ESTABLISHES EXACTLY WHAT THE LAW WAS FOR!!! Do you get it? Since God has performed His miraculous work in us humans NOT by anything we do or have done, then we can realize His whole purpose for having given the law ... since the law speaks of what we should do or not do. Faith speaks of what GOD has done through His Son Jesus ... and therefore, what He is even now doing through us.

Phew!! I hope this helps! Remember, this reality is IN you. You don't get it because you're so smart, but because His Spirit is in you and He is working to open your eyes to see the power that works in you. What is that power? It is the very same that raised Jesus from the dead!!!! Yikes!!! That's the power of God!!!

Love, your brother in Christ, Jim

UnderGrace · Jul 31, 2016

Thank you AuntieAnt

Yes indeed, free will is a concept which comes from the Greek philosophers. I do not think people really realize what these two words mean.

I just really think the justification in Christ is being confused over and over again with sanctification. They are separate.

When reading scripture believers need to rightly divide between these two, otherwise none of scripture makes any sense because is all seems to contradict itself.

ukok102nak · Jul 31, 2016

:haha: and jesus said this in the scripture
as it is written
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Mateo: 5. 17. Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

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godbless us all always

Stephen63 · Jul 31, 2016

2 Peter 2:1-2 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

valiant · Jul 31, 2016

p_rehbein said:

I agree with you to a degree. Only that I would state that "willful sin" does, in fact, drive a wedge between us and God. However, unintended sins do not. And, as long as we are faithful to confess such sins and ask forgiveness for such sins, He is faithful to forgive us and we remain within His loving arms.

But, what you say, is far different than what the hardcore OSAS believers say. So, I'm not so sure you actually believe in OSAS, but, rather in saving Grace. Big difference there.

Our unintended sins do not void our salvation........however, IF we refuse to repent, and return to HIm, we stand in danger of being cast away on the day of Atonement. We can not have unconfessed/unrepented sins between us and God. We must be in one accord with Him, and He is faithful to forgive us as did the father whose son left home, squandered his Inheritance, regretted his sinful actions and returned to his father to repent and ask forgiveness. The father rejoiced! Fograve the son and even had a feast in his honor. However, how would this story have played out if the son NEVER returned to his father, never repented of his sins, and never asked forgiveness?

Something to consider.

For this cause many are weak and sick among you and some sleep - that you might not be condemned with the world (1 Cor 11).

something equally to consider,

KenAllan · Jul 31, 2016

I think p_rehbein needs new glasses or something is VERY wrong with him!

In post #343 TonyJay is quoting p_rehbein saying "no arguments there". But p_rehbein is quoting #347 by PaulMack and saying to TonyJay this is confusing!

Of course its confusing to you p_rehbein!!!!

I believe p_rehbein is just arguing for the sake of arguing!

valiant · Jul 31, 2016

TonyJay said:

We are very close on this.
I believe in OSAS and I believe in free will.
OSAS IMHO does not mean that one cannot turn away from God deliberately and explicitly (i.e. exercise free will), however merely(!) sinning in and of itself does not void our salvation.
I am not minimising sin and its impact here that I believe are very real only that once saved sin does not separate us from God and place us in the situation that we were in prior to salvation.
I absolutely do believe that one can reject God entirely only that doing it is an explicit and deliberate transaction.

The above is just a small potted summary - expanding this is a large chapter in a big book.

Thank you for your honesty and trust - much appreciated!

How can one who has been truly born of the Spirit reject God entirely? It would merely prove he had not been born of the Spirit.

ukok102nak · Jul 31, 2016

p_rehbein said:

indeed my brethren my fellow my brother
indeed
WE ALSO NOTICE

:rofl: looks like Unfortunately man has NOT ONLY
added to those words
BUT ALSO CHANGING
those things he feels he also need to obey
HIS OWN BELLY FOR HIS OWN BENEFIT
as it is written
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Mga Taga-Roma: 16. 17. Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

:haha: HOW CAN ANYONE STAND THIS
BEWARE OF THE LEAVEN MEN
WHERE COULD WE FIND THE WRITTEN TESTIMONY
IN THE SCRIPTURES

~;> THE SCRIPTURES IS PRECISE AND VERY ACCURATE
WHEN IT TELLS SOMETHING UNTO SOMEONE IN THE SCRIPTURE
WITHOUT TWISTING AND CHANGING THE VERY WORDS THAT IS
WRITTEN ON IT
THIS IS REALLY IRONIC
HOW COME NO ONE REALLY NOTICE THIS
LOOKS LIKE THE ANTICHRIST
REALLY MAKES SOME PEOPLE BLIND AFTER ALL
as it is written
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Mateo: 16. 6. Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

AND THIS ALSO

:rofl: and loving your neighbour is letting them to be deceived
by those twisted words of false teachers and false prophets
I DONT THINK SO
IF YOU REALLY LOVE YOURSELF AND YOUR NEIGHBOUR
YOU WONT LET ANYONE OR ANYTHING
THAT COULD DECEIVED THEM
THATS HOW WE LOVED OUR NEIGHBOUR AND
OUR GOD WHO IS GOOD AND CANNOT LIE
as it is written
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1 Juan: 2. 1. My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2. And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

3. And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

5. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

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