All Christians must die!!!

[eternally-gratefull]

Of course they are not not saved because they do not support what I say. you havent been supporting what I say and i believe you to be saved. There are other reason and factors that cause me to question whether or not they are truly following Christ


.

OK Everyone. Now hear this.

This dude said that John said if one is in Christ he can't sin.

Yet I showed him John also said if one sins he does not KNOW nor has SEEN Christ.

He refuses to acknowledge this fact. I think we aught to ALL hold him accountable until he admits this fact.

Either John was not talking about singular sin in John. But habitual lifestyle of sin. Or not a person in this room, Including myself and 4 runner. Knows God or has seen him.

4 runner seems to want to run from this fact. we need to hold him accountable.

 

[4runner]

OK Everyone. Now hear this.

This dude said that John said if one is in Christ he can't sin.

Yet I showed him John also said if one sins he does not KNOW nor has SEEN Christ.

He refuses to acknowledge this fact. I think we aught to ALL hold him accountable until he admits this fact.

Either John was not talking about singular sin in John. But habitual lifestyle of sin. Or not a person in this room, Including myself and 4 runner. Knows God or has seen him.

4 runner seems to want to run from this fact. we need to hold him accountable.

The word says what the word say. You deny the word.....I wonder have you ever heard of forgiveness?????????

When we repent our sins a cleanse away completely as if we had never committed them.

The blind get more blind.

EG, you really should open your heart to the truth and give Christ a chance.

 

[4runner]

Originally Posted by 4runner

lil, shroom is right it doesnt. You do not understand me at all. I am not saying we must live our entire live without sin, I am saying we are able to by the ability given to us by the indwelling Spirit of God.

Contradictamundo!

Wow!!!! you do not even know what a contradiction is. Say we are ABLE to do something, and saying we MUST do something are not the same

 

[4runner]

Sure, we're all gonna end perfect in Christ. When He appears.

Only if you endure until the end. And remember it says all who habve this hope will purify themselves. Are you doing that strangelove? Of course not, you dont think it necessary

 

[GaryMac]

All your assumptions are wrong.

I live in Christs Kingdom NOW. I'm not looking for it to come at all. I'm only waiting for the second advent and JUDGEMENT.

But I'm willing to bet YOU are waiting for a future kingdom on earth?

Am I right?

Your assumptions are wrong. No I am not waiting His kingdom is come, there is no future kingdom for me, Christ came and opend Gods kingdom, He in me and In Him are one. Either one has received His coming to them and making His abode in them or they have not. If you have not then you are waiting. When He comes to you everything changes, a new heaven and earth, all things become new in Christ. Taken out of this world and sat into His which is not of this world but SPirit. The old way of thinking where you wait for him passes away and Heaven is opend to you. Just as it was in Jesus in Matt 3:16 if you receive from God the same as he did. Jesus refered to the process as born again.
Gary

 

[4runner]

Gary have I told you, I am glad you are her....well I am

 

[DiscipleWilliam]

4Runner,

I really think you should listen to what these people (most of them lol) are trying to tell you. You are wrong sir.

 

[4runner]

4Runner,

I really think you should listen to what these people (most of them lol) are trying to tell you. You are wrong sir.

What peopele?

I get my doctrine straight from scripture

What exactly have i said that you believe to be wrong?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The word says what the word say. You deny the word.....I wonder have you ever heard of forgiveness?????????

When we repent our sins a cleanse away completely as if we had never committed them.

The blind get more blind.

EG, you really should open your heart to the truth and give Christ a chance.

You listen to the word? Thats what I am doing. I sure in the heck would not listen to you (at least in this subject)

The word says. IF YOU SIN, YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN NOR KNOWN GOD.

Repent?? Where is repent in that passage??

I knew you would try to fenagle your way out of it. Typical.

You can't have it both ways.

Either john is talking about habitual sin in BOTH instances. Or none of us know God.

I don't twist scripture like your trying to do. You can't interpret one instance to mean all sin. And another to mean something else. or ad a word which is not there.

So you want to keep twisting and expose yourself as the person you really are? Or listen to Gods word?

 

[Cobus]

4runner...

Do you intend to obey Jesus and say the Lords prayer for the rest of your life on earth..

YES OR NO?

Here is quite an answer from The Word of God... Should I pray and ask God to do things HE ALREADY DID DO FOR ME... Like...
Our Father whom art in heaven,... 1. Thou KIngdom come (for me) (And this I ask as a perfect man, becasue HE ALREADY BLESSED ME WITH HIS KINGDOM?) Is this not wrong to ask the Father if He already gve me this... 2. Deliver us from evil... (And I know becasue I am saved I AM ALREADY DELIVERED!!!!) becasue the Word teaches... The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

DO YOU SEE THAT THE LORD KNOWETH HOW TO DELIVER THE GODLY OUT OF TEMPTATION... Now listen to this... No temptation, No CHANCE TO SIN.... IN HIM IS NO SIN!!!

How can a Godly man pray... Lord forgive me my sin, when there is no sin to forgive?

No Strange I will not always pray the Lord's prayer. After He SAVED me HE WILL NEVER LET ME PRAY THAT PRAYER AGAIN, becasue YOU CANNOT SIN AGAINST ME, I AM NOT HERE TO SIN AGIANST! AFTER I AM SAVED, AND YOU WANT TO CALL COBUS A HYPOCRATE, YOU WILL ACTUALLY CALL JESUS THE HYPOCRATE...

Once again... When Saul persecuted the CHILDREN OF GOD, Jesus said to Saul.... WHY DO YOU PERSECUTE ME!!!!

So you will be doing the same calling HIS CHILDREN HYPOCRATES... You will actually call HIM HYPOCRATE...

And YEAH EG IS STARTING TO SEE THE LIGHT.... THIS IS TRUE.....

EG>>>> Whosoever sinneth (ANY SIN) doesnot know Him or NEITHER SEEN HIM... YEAH!!!!!

Yes, We know HIM ALMOST 100% when we follow all the way, becasue WE FOLLOW HIM, but the MOMENT THE VERY MOMENT WE ARE BAPTIZED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT... THEN we are IN GOD AND SEE GOD AND KNOW GOD, And Jesus ENTERS IN TO US!!!

This happens the moment Jesus lets you through the BLOOD,,,, That is when ALL your sins are washed away ONCE AND FOR ALL!!! Jesus washes you ONLY ONCE!! Then he KEPPS YOU CLEAN AND SPOTLESS IN GOD!!!!

The final step of salvatin is this moment!!! The MOMENT YOU SPIRIT GOES TO GOD, and are MADE ONE WITH THE HOLY SPRIT!!!

Yes EG ALL people here on CC needs this PASSING THROUGH!!! And EG IF YOU LISTEN TO ME TODAY YOU WILL BE ONE OF THE MANY THAT GOES THROUGH SHORTLY!!!


Please hear this my beloved people... the rebirth is YOU PASING THROUGH THE BLOOD OF JESUS! To the HOLY SIDE of the Blood... It is the moment you are made Holy AS He is Holy. It is then that you are FILLED with the Holy Spirit. It is then you are quickened in the FLESH by that Spirit. And your flesh now lives under 100% control of Christ Jesus! JESUS IS REBORN IN YOUR FLESH!

You (your spirit) is now HID IN GOD!!! OUT OF THEIS WORLD< IN HIS KINGDOM...

Not long now, Christ Jesus, said.... SOON COBUS WE WILL HAVE YOUR LAST SUPPER AND THEN I WILL BAPTIZE YOU.... Please come to the SUPPER with me, ALL THERE WILL BE BAPTIZED!!!

My prayer in this chilly room, it is early spring here... 1:49 am, and I am going back to bed just now... this is my prayer this morning... "Lord Jesus, Our Father whom art in heaven, please let thou will be done in us AS IN HEAVEN! Lord deliver us FROM EVIL, give us THIS DAY OUR FINAL PORTION OF BREAD, AMEN!

Lord PLEASE COME SAVE ME and I know You will save whosoever want your PERFECT SALVATION! AMEN!

 

[maddy]

I don't know about anyone else but I Died to Sin and know I am Alive in Jesus.
And whoever does not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
Take up your cross and follow Me.
I am Alive in him and no longer in darkness.
I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly.

 

[4runner]

I don't know about anyone else but I Died to Sin and know I am Alive in Jesus.
And whoever does not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
Take up your cross and follow Me.
I am Alive in him and no longer in darkness.
I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly.

Amen maddy, amen

 

[Strangelove]

Wow!!!! you do not even know what a contradiction is. Say we are ABLE to do something, and saying we MUST do something are not the same

You dont make no sense man!

If you were able to do something you would be doing it.

So why arn't YOU!

HYPOCRITE!

 

[Strangelove]

Only if you endure until the end. And remember it says all who habve this hope will purify themselves. Are you doing that strangelove? Of course not, you dont think it necessary

Of course not.

The Holy Spirit is doing it not me. I leave all the sanctification to him. You keep working though. Good luck.

 

[Strangelove]

Your assumptions are wrong. No I am not waiting His kingdom is come, there is no future kingdom for me, Christ came and opend Gods kingdom, He in me and In Him are one. Either one has received His coming to them and making His abode in them or they have not. If you have not then you are waiting. When He comes to you everything changes, a new heaven and earth, all things become new in Christ. Taken out of this world and sat into His which is not of this world but SPirit. The old way of thinking where you wait for him passes away and Heaven is opend to you. Just as it was in Jesus in Matt 3:16 if you receive from God the same as he did. Jesus refered to the process as born again.
Gary

Oh Gary what must I do to be saved!!???

 

[Strangelove]

No Strange I will not always pray the Lord's prayer. After He SAVED me HE WILL NEVER LET ME PRAY THAT PRAYER AGAIN, becasue YOU CANNOT SIN AGAINST ME, I AM NOT HERE TO SIN AGIANST! AFTER I AM SAVED, AND YOU WANT TO CALL COBUS A HYPOCRATE, YOU WILL ACTUALLY CALL JESUS THE HYPOCRATE...

SINNER!!!

Disobeying the Lords command to ask forgiveness of your sins!!!

Why do you SIN Cobus!??

REPENT!! REPENT!!!

 

[Cobus]

Strange thank you my friend, If you really, say that I should repent to be Baptzed, then Thank you my friend. I know I am nearing the end of the RAOD to salvation. God calls it "bringing many sons unto GOLRY" well I believe God is also bringing son Cobus unto glory, HIS GLORY!

Strange give me a minte of your time, please. Forget all we haver talked about in the past, becasue it makes your heart hard unto me.

Please Strange, when you read the blue script in here, read it with a clean and loving heart. Do not consider who I am as a person, but consider the message in it as one of complete peace and respect.



Strange, if there was a GOD that offers you a salvation that HE designed to save you so powerfully, that you CANNOT sin after He saved you, will you admire such a God?
Or let us put it in a parrible that I can relate to well.... I love the sea and fishing off boats....

So my parrible will be one of the sea and a rescue at sea...Ok here goes...

I am so deep into the oceans and my boat sank, I am treading water and I am very scard, alone and without ANY thing in sight that can assist me in my dire situation. Just before I sank I did SOS on the radio but I am not sure any person heard, so I do not have much hope.

But treading the water there I start to swim in a direction, now let me ask you is that wise? Just dobbering around in the ocean takes less energy, but swimming in any direction without a goal is also not wise..... What to do?

Then on the horizon an airoplane appears... it flies over and again i waved like mad, but I got no sign that they saw me... But at that moment I did have a ray of hope, and as the big airliner dissappear in the straight line, I knoew they did not see me.

Then a smaller Airplane appeared, this one is flying much lower and slower... It looks like a search plane... Now I really have even stronger hope!!! but just a few miles short of me the airplane turned around to fly back the way it came... Again they did not see me, and everytime something gave me hope, and it helped nothing, I was in deeper despair than before...

Then a big cargo-ship started to show on the horizon, and it is sailing very much my direction.... It comes closer and closer, and it looks as though it is going to sail right over me, and true... here it comes passing by me less than 100 yards, and I shout at the top of my voice but there is no one on the deck, and the ship just went on his way....Nope again now even more tired and now I had just about NO FAITH of ever being saved from this ocean.

Then as a final efford, dead tired and no hope, I just think... Man just sink, you are going to die anyway... I strain my eyes all around the ocean and sky, but nothing visible... What to do, Pray as I might, nothing happening.... And as I give up, completely without hope, something in me says... Cobus, one last time look for help. So before I start, I pray... Lord, I do not know You at all, but here is no-one here but me and LOTS of water... is it my time to die? Lord if it is, may I ask that You will save my soul? Lord I know I been a bad boy, and I really mean this, I am just about to lose my life, but may I as the man on the cross, ask....Please remember me there in your kingdom.

Where will I be in a couple hours time straight after I drown there? And why will I be where you think I will be?

I know MANY will say... Oh you will be in heaven because Jesus forgave you your sin. Or did he? Becasue there is more to the story...

What if I heard Jesus say.... If you sail today drunk as you always sail, your boat will sink, and you will drown, but I ignored Him and did not believe Him... What if Jesus said... If you do not repent from sailng with booze, your boat will sink and you will drown, and I will not have you saved from the sea or hell... Stop drinking and sailing! This is your FINAL warning... And now I am in the water, still with the RUM on my breath, but not in a good mood. Then the Lord comes and speak to me in the water.... I see you have regret now Cobus. And because of your regret, My heart is softened, will you now learn that I am the Lord, and I demand from you obedience? Did you not ask me for another chance now? Well I heard, look behind you....

I thought I heard VOICES... but then, I heard a MOTOR...Well as we can see I did not even believed that, so here I am in the sea and busy drowning! Then I turn around..... Here about 200 yards away is a boat coming with a man at the bow, looking straight at me with binoculars...
They picked me up, and took me to shore.

The insurance paid out well and I have a brand new boat, should I fir a fridge for the RUM and COKE? Start all over again? I know I am stupid, but not that stupid... You see my friend I think it is too dangerous NOT to obey GOD!

May God give me the eyes to see Him, and the ears to HEAR His voice EVERY SECOND OF MY LIFE.. Amen!

Please do not spit on this Strange. This is really a white flag I am waving... I really only want you to give God what God desirves... your obedience, and then you can ask God to also help me to obey HIM!

May the Lord Jesus Chrsit not died in vain on or souls Strange. May we please God, with our hearts, souls and bodies...Amen!

If only I did repent, or at least did not come sailing!

What I am getting at is this... I should LISTEN to what Jesus wants from me, or bear the consiquinces of disobedience...

I am in that water, because I DID NOT LISTEN,

 

[Strangelove]

Strange thank you my friend, If you really, say that I should repent to be Baptzed, then Thank you my friend. I know I am nearing the end of the RAOD to salvation. God calls it "bringing many sons unto GOLRY" well I believe God is also bringing son Cobus unto glory, HIS GLORY!

Strange give me a minte of your time, please. Forget all we haver talked about in the past, becasue it makes your heart hard unto me.

Please Strange, when you read the blue script in here, read it with a clean and loving heart. Do not consider who I am as a person, but consider the message in it as one of complete peace and respect.



Strange, if there was a GOD that offers you a salvation that HE designed to save you so powerfully, that you CANNOT sin after He saved you, will you admire such a God?
Or let us put it in a parrible that I can relate to well.... I love the sea and fishing off boats....

So my parrible will be one of the sea and a rescue at sea...Ok here goes...

I am so deep into the oceans and my boat sank, I am treading water and I am very scard, alone and without ANY thing in sight that can assist me in my dire situation. Just before I sank I did SOS on the radio but I am not sure any person heard, so I do not have much hope.

But treading the water there I start to swim in a direction, now let me ask you is that wise? Just dobbering around in the ocean takes less energy, but swimming in any direction without a goal is also not wise..... What to do?

Then on the horizon an airoplane appears... it flies over and again i waved like mad, but I got no sign that they saw me... But at that moment I did have a ray of hope, and as the big airliner dissappear in the straight line, I knoew they did not see me.

Then a smaller Airplane appeared, this one is flying much lower and slower... It looks like a search plane... Now I really have even stronger hope!!! but just a few miles short of me the airplane turned around to fly back the way it came... Again they did not see me, and everytime something gave me hope, and it helped nothing, I was in deeper despair than before...

Then a big cargo-ship started to show on the horizon, and it is sailing very much my direction.... It comes closer and closer, and it looks as though it is going to sail right over me, and true... here it comes passing by me less than 100 yards, and I shout at the top of my voice but there is no one on the deck, and the ship just went on his way....Nope again now even more tired and now I had just about NO FAITH of ever being saved from this ocean.

Then as a final efford, dead tired and no hope, I just think... Man just sink, you are going to die anyway... I strain my eyes all around the ocean and sky, but nothing visible... What to do, Pray as I might, nothing happening.... And as I give up, completely without hope, something in me says... Cobus, one last time look for help. So before I start, I pray... Lord, I do not know You at all, but here is no-one here but me and LOTS of water... is it my time to die? Lord if it is, may I ask that You will save my soul? Lord I know I been a bad boy, and I really mean this, I am just about to lose my life, but may I as the man on the cross, ask....Please remember me there in your kingdom.

Where will I be in a couple hours time straight after I drown there? And why will I be where you think I will be?

I know MANY will say... Oh you will be in heaven because Jesus forgave you your sin. Or did he? Becasue there is more to the story...

What if I heard Jesus say.... If you sail today drunk as you always sail, your boat will sink, and you will drown, but I ignored Him and did not believe Him... What if Jesus said... If you do not repent from sailng with booze, your boat will sink and you will drown, and I will not have you saved from the sea or hell... Stop drinking and sailing! This is your FINAL warning... And now I am in the water, still with the RUM on my breath, but not in a good mood. Then the Lord comes and speak to me in the water.... I see you have regret now Cobus. And because of your regret, My heart is softened, will you now learn that I am the Lord, and I demand from you obedience? Did you not ask me for another chance now? Well I heard, look behind you....

I thought I heard VOICES... but then, I heard a MOTOR...Well as we can see I did not even believed that, so here I am in the sea and busy drowning! Then I turn around..... Here about 200 yards away is a boat coming with a man at the bow, looking straight at me with binoculars...
They picked me up, and took me to shore.

The insurance paid out well and I have a brand new boat, should I fir a fridge for the RUM and COKE? Start all over again? I know I am stupid, but not that stupid... You see my friend I think it is too dangerous NOT to obey GOD!

May God give me the eyes to see Him, and the ears to HEAR His voice EVERY SECOND OF MY LIFE.. Amen!

Please do not spit on this Strange. This is really a white flag I am waving... I really only want you to give God what God desirves... your obedience, and then you can ask God to also help me to obey HIM!

May the Lord Jesus Chrsit not died in vain on or souls Strange. May we please God, with our hearts, souls and bodies...Amen!

If only I did repent, or at least did not come sailing!

What I am getting at is this... I should LISTEN to what Jesus wants from me, or bear the consiquinces of disobedience...

I am in that water, because I DID NOT LISTEN,

REPENT!

You need to give up you old man and DIE. Why wont you let Jesus into your life? He wants to be in you Cobus!

Why do you keep sinning?

Stop sinning! REPENT!

 

[AnandaHya]

Yelling about how much you are a sinner does not help one listen better to GOD.

Silence and prayer would be a better.

Acceptance of God's will. Knowledge that death is not the end and willingness to die if it is God's will

but swimming with every ounce of strength TOWARDS where the airplane comes would be wiser.

striving towards the upward call, walking with Christ. Not sinking in Sin and wallowing in the filth of your past or present state but trusting with faith and hope of that promised land. Knowing that with Faith not even a river of sins or lies can separate you from God's love but with faith God allows you to walk over your past and nails your sin to the cross.

It is not that you are SINLESS but you are Blameless.

the sin still exist. it is just far as the East is from the West but one should never forget the price Jesus paid to do this work. How LOVE saves and how with LOVE we work for others to know God's Truth.

 

[GaryMac]

Gary have I told you, I am glad you are her....well I am

Thank You.