AM I JEW OR A GENTILE IF I KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS ?

[KohenMatt]

As an aside, What is the end result of what Jesus is saying in Matthew 5?

Matthew 5:19
"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

If you do the commandments and teach others to do so, you will be the greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven.
If you do not do the commandments, and you teach others not to them, you will be the least in the Kingdom.

Note that both groups are there, but God makes a distinction between the 2.

Just sayin'.

 

[JaumeJ]

People should learn to read all of the Word and believe it all....good post, Preacher Matiyahu........

 

[Zinzerio]

I respect that you are an older person, and use the internet. But you obviously have not read my post you commented on, nor post #27, which I was told was TOO HARD to understand by another member.

In post #27, I quoted long passages of Scripture. In this post you commented on I clearly said:



That was the opening paragraph of my post! I get context. And context means the whole Bible. The problem is Redtent, you do not get context. You forget the whole of the New Covenant, which is actually the real name for the New Testament. I wish you would read the Bible, since you don't seem to read any passages at all, by your posting, other than Psalm 119, which is the ONLY verse you post! You are stuck in one verse, in one Psalm.

I read the Psalms every day, I am in a Bible study with pastors, missionaries and Seminary professors as we go through Psalms looking at each verses. I read the Old Covenant, because it points to the New Covenant.

“Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, [SUP]32[/SUP]not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord." Jeremiah 31:31-32

Please read these Bible passages! It is not me that wants to get rid of the Old Covenant, it is the BIBLE that says the Old Covenant is obsolete!

"In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away." Hebrews 8:13

"Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant." Hebrews 9:15

RedTent, read the Bible. You need to read Hebrews, since you are so caught in this Hebrew Roots lie, or this thing you think you discovered in Psalm 119, which overwrites the entire work of Christ on the cross.

Christ's work on the cross MAKES THE OLD COVENANT OBSOLETE!!

I hope that Redtent will see it and see that I am talking about the Bible, not something I made up!

PS. I have read a lot of the Old Covenant in Hebrew. I have studied it deeply. I love the Old Covenant, because it is the unveiling of God's entrance into history with the incarnation of Jesus. I have read the Old Covenant over 50 times, in 2 languages completely and major parts in Hebrew. Do not accuse me of not reading or understanding the Old Covenant again!! For your information, I got A+s in Old Testament Survey and in an in depth study of Deuteronomy, by the world renowned scholar Dan Block, who wrote most of the commentaries available today on Deuteronomy and many other texts, and speaks Masoretics Hebrew like a first language. I have also taken Bible Backgrounds (another A+) which studies the history of all the events around the Old Testament.

Redtent, you need to read Hebrews.
Redtent, a simple reading of Hebrews would show you that you are wrong in your theology.
Redtent, Galatians is the book an angry Paul wrote to the Galatians who were so quickly deserting Christ to follow the Judiazers, the circumcisers! He wrote the book without any thanks or praise because they were apostate. They had gone back to being Jews, instead of accepting that the Old Covenant was done, complete, abolished and obsolete!!

The intro to Galatians:
"I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— [SUP]7 [/SUP]not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. [SUP]8 [/SUP]But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you,let him be accursed. [SUP]9 [/SUP]As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed." Gal. 1:6-9

"O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? [SUP]3 [/SUP]Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? " Gal. 3:1-3

"So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. [SUP]25 [/SUP]But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, [SUP]26 [/SUP]for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith." Gal. 3:24-26

I can see your very well studied and i congratulate you and i apologise whole heatedly for any discomfort you may have been caused dew to this thread.

I must say to you to say that THE OLD COVENANT OBSOLETE! is absolute can also make people think that all of its ways are also obsolete.
I think the only thing that became obsolete is the ceremonial law spoke in daniel [SUP]27 [/SUP]He will confirm a covenant with many for one “seven”.[SUP][b][/SUP] In the middle of the “seven”[SUP][c][/SUP] he will put an end to sacrifice and offering.

I think it is important to establish this point in future when ever you make this statement that the old convent is absolute.
I am glad that you can bring good food to the table with your studies and i hope that some how we can find some common ground including red tent and your self.

How ever being well studied in the Bible i think does not give anyone that right to form an opinion that one can completely lean on these matters this is when one can become to self righteous This is why we need to express are opinions and not force them by saying boastful thing in a boastful way.
Im not saying you have its just a shame you have not been able to tell red tent you well studied under better circumstances but im sure red tent will understand this.

If i had your knowledge i would just probably say something like i am well studied and i hope i can teach and learn with you.
Every student is also a possible teacher what you teach him or her has an effect and teaching in love and understanding is right.

I understand that this can become thrust straightening But with the right friends what does it matter.
If someone undermines you and with the peace and grace and knowledge of Jesus no evil can enter and no one can do your heart any harm, it should always a pleasure to proclaim. God bless

 

[Zinzerio]

lioncub [/B];1470813]

Jesus isn't going to kick anyone out on judgment day for obeying the Sabbath but he might kick someone out who doesn't.

Actually, Paul says that those who are engaged in the Mosaic law and think they are justified by the Mosaic law will be severed from Christ. So if one is engaging in the sabbath and feel God is happy with them for doing so they might be in hot water with God, but that depends largely on one's motivations.

I must warn you danschance you are very close to crossing a red look here please mathew 5:19 Jesus Fulfills the Law
…18"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven;

 

[Zinzerio]

[h=3]Matthew 20:1-16[/h]New International Version - UK (NIVUK)

[h=3]The parable of the workers in the vineyard[/h]20 ‘For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire workers for his vineyard. [SUP]2 [/SUP]He agreed to pay them a denarius[SUP][a][/SUP] for the day and sent them into his vineyard.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]‘About nine in the morning he went out and saw others standing in the market-place doing nothing. [SUP]4 [/SUP]He told them, “You also go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.” [SUP]5 [/SUP]So they went.
‘He went out again about noon and about three in the afternoon and did the same thing. [SUP]6 [/SUP]About five in the afternoon he went out and found still others standing around. He asked them, “Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing?”
[SUP]7 [/SUP]‘“Because no one has hired us,” they answered.
‘He said to them, “You also go and work in my vineyard.”
[SUP]8 [/SUP]‘When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, “Call the workers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last ones hired and going on to the first.”
[SUP]9 [/SUP]‘The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius. [SUP]10 [/SUP]So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. [SUP]11 [/SUP]When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. [SUP]12 [/SUP]“These who were hired last worked only one hour,” they said, “and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.”
[SUP]13 [/SUP]‘But he answered one of them, “I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? [SUP]14 [/SUP]Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?”
[SUP]16 [/SUP]‘So the last will be first, and the first will be last.’

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And yet Christ pointed to the Commandments as the standard we are to attain to. If you throw them out, you may very well find yourself in this category...

And yet also imposed a curse to all who could not attain to live by that standard.

What was that standard?

Deuteronomy 27:26 ‘Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’ “And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’

and as paul quite plainly said. We are ALL under that curse. because non of us have fulfilled this command to observe them ALL

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”

Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
Mat 7:23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

Christ is speaking to the LAWyers here, Who place themselves under the law, and not come to God by grace.. Nice try

 

[JaumeJ]

I read this very reading this morning in my Hebrew study. Surely the Lord, Yeshua, is returning soon, amen. Praise Jesus...

Matthew 20:1-16

New International Version - UK (NIVUK)

The parable of the workers in the vineyard

20 ‘For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire workers for his vineyard. [SUP]2 [/SUP]He agreed to pay them a denarius[SUP][a][/SUP] for the day and sent them into his vineyard.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]‘About nine in the morning he went out and saw others standing in the market-place doing nothing. [SUP]4 [/SUP]He told them, “You also go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.” [SUP]5 [/SUP]So they went.
‘He went out again about noon and about three in the afternoon and did the same thing. [SUP]6 [/SUP]About five in the afternoon he went out and found still others standing around. He asked them, “Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing?”
[SUP]7 [/SUP]‘“Because no one has hired us,” they answered.
‘He said to them, “You also go and work in my vineyard.”
[SUP]8 [/SUP]‘When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, “Call the workers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last ones hired and going on to the first.”
[SUP]9 [/SUP]‘The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius. [SUP]10 [/SUP]So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. [SUP]11 [/SUP]When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. [SUP]12 [/SUP]“These who were hired last worked only one hour,” they said, “and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.”
[SUP]13 [/SUP]‘But he answered one of them, “I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? [SUP]14 [/SUP]Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?”
[SUP]16 [/SUP]‘So the last will be first, and the first will be last.’

 

[Deadtosin]

I like this one

Luke 18

[SUP]10 [/SUP]Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

For the record, I think we all believe this one thing
ALL THINGS COME THROUGH A PERSONAL AND INTIMATE RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS CHRIST.
HE IS THE FOUNDATION. FROM HIM ALL THINGS WILL BE BUILT.

is it enough to say. "I believe in Jesus Christ" and then carry on in our traditions and day to day lives focusing on ourselves and the world around us? "NO" says Jesus "I will say I never knew you!"

when we build on that foundation, that cornerstone of Jesus Christ, is it safe to say that He will write in our hearts? that He will guide us from within?

Yes, that is biblical.

 

[JaumeJ]

Something to consider about the laws contained in Torah, and our Lord, Jesus, Yeshua.

Jesus allowed the woman caught in the act of adultery to go unpunished even though the law dictates she should have been stoned to death.

He did this for two reasons the first being He prefers mercy and not sacrifice, and second, as taught us by Ezekiel, God did give us bad statutes not to be followed.

When we know Yeshua, we know which are the truly good laws, and the Ten Commandments are the only laws engraved in stone, first by God, Himself.

We must always take into consideration the teachings from Genesis through Revelation with special emphasis on what the Master taught us outright, and by Christ's own Example.

He is Master and Lord, and we all bow to the same Savior and confess Him with our lips, amen. Praise Yeshua, amen.

And yet also imposed a curse to all who could not attain to live by that standard.

What was that standard?

Deuteronomy 27:26 ‘Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’ “And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’

and as paul quite plainly said. We are ALL under that curse. because non of us have fulfilled this command to observe them ALL

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”





Christ is speaking to the LAWyers here, Who place themselves under the law, and not come to God by grace.. Nice try

 

[Zinzerio]

No spiritual sacrifice is needed as Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice. As a Christian everyday should be without foul language. The purpose of our lives are not to keep the sabbath or the laws, it is to have a relationship with God and then we will keep the law kind of by accident. Because we love God we will automatically try to do what pleases Him.

1 peter 2:1-10

ok you say no spirutual sacrafice is needed then can you explain this scripture to me please

4And coming to Him as to a living stone which has been rejected by men, but is choice and precious in the sight of God, 5you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

 

[Zinzerio]

dan keeps saying we keep commandments instead of accept what Christ has done for us. We keep telling dan we keep commandments because of what Christ has done for us. Wash rinse repeat.

yes and also never be afraid to repeat it well done and well said

 

[Zinzerio]

Originally Posted by KohenMatt

I'm not Jewish. I'm not a gentile either (That implies someone without God at all).

I'm a Christian saved by grace. I follow the commands of Jesus in the New Testament, but intertwined with those are the commands of the OT. I follow those spiritually the best I can and physically, where applicable. I don't follow them to improve my standing before God or my salvation, but I do as a loving response to His mercy.

Gentile=NO Jew.

So you declaring an impossibility, You either Jew or No Jew, Christian or No Cristian, Men or Woman.

Do not distort the concepts.

This is why you have spagetty religion.

spaghetti religion ?? where did that come from ? that is a presumption and it does not do to presume if he is trying to follow the commandment who are you to say he has spaghetti religion

 

[Zinzerio]

the jews do it thinking it is what saves them.

some gentiles do this also.

The sabbath was given for our benefit, it would benefit everyone to take a day of rest. not only for their bodies, but for their minds..

Actual keeping the ten commandments through the word of the new covenant is what saves you as i believe the ten commandments cover every eventuality You can take THAT as me thinking it is only works that saves or you could take it as works through faith, John 14:15 Jesus Promises the Holy Spirit
15"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. 16"I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

 

[RedTent]

I respect that you are an older person, and use the internet. But you obviously have not read my post you commented on, nor post #27, which I was told was TOO HARD to understand by another member.

In post #27, I quoted long passages of Scripture. In this post you commented on I clearly said:

That was the opening paragraph of my post! I get context. And context means the whole Bible. The problem is Redtent, you do not get context. You forget the whole of the New Covenant, which is actually the real name for the New Testament. I wish you would read the Bible, since you don't seem to read any passages at all, by your posting, other than Psalm 119, which is the ONLY verse you post! You are stuck in one verse, in one Psalm.

I read the Psalms every day, I am in a Bible study with pastors, missionaries and Seminary professors as we go through Psalms looking at each verses. I read the Old Covenant, because it points to the New Covenant.

“Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, [SUP]32[/SUP]not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord." Jeremiah 31:31-32

Please read these Bible passages! It is not me that wants to get rid of the Old Covenant, it is the BIBLE that says the Old Covenant is obsolete!

"In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away." Hebrews 8:13

"Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant." Hebrews 9:15

RedTent, read the Bible. You need to read Hebrews, since you are so caught in this Hebrew Roots lie, or this thing you think you discovered in Psalm 119, which overwrites the entire work of Christ on the cross.

Christ's work on the cross MAKES THE OLD COVENANT OBSOLETE!!

I hope that Redtent will see it and see that I am talking about the Bible, not something I made up!

PS. I have read a lot of the Old Covenant in Hebrew. I have studied it deeply. I love the Old Covenant, because it is the unveiling of God's entrance into history with the incarnation of Jesus. I have read the Old Covenant over 50 times, in 2 languages completely and major parts in Hebrew. Do not accuse me of not reading or understanding the Old Covenant again!! For your information, I got A+s in Old Testament Survey and in an in depth study of Deuteronomy, by the world renowned scholar Dan Block, who wrote most of the commentaries available today on Deuteronomy and many other texts, and speaks Masoretics Hebrew like a first language. I have also taken Bible Backgrounds (another A+) which studies the history of all the events around the Old Testament.

Redtent, you need to read Hebrews.
Redtent, a simple reading of Hebrews would show you that you are wrong in your theology.
Redtent, Galatians is the book an angry Paul wrote to the Galatians who were so quickly deserting Christ to follow the Judiazers, the circumcisers! He wrote the book without any thanks or praise because they were apostate. They had gone back to being Jews, instead of accepting that the Old Covenant was done, complete, abolished and obsolete!!

The intro to Galatians:
"I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— [SUP]7 [/SUP]not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. [SUP]8 [/SUP]But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you,let him be accursed. [SUP]9 [/SUP]As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed." Gal. 1:6-9

"O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? [SUP]3 [/SUP]Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? " Gal. 3:1-3

"So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. [SUP]25 [/SUP]But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, [SUP]26 [/SUP]for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith." Gal. 3:24-26

I can just see Moses coming down the mountain with the ten commandments to see the church and you standing there with hands on hips telling Moses that Christ had come and wiped out anything he heard from God. Then telling David that his prayer was old hat, that Paul had come and wiped all talk of how to express love out, we had the Holy Spirit for that so he was to shut up.

And if they opened their mouth in protest, you could toss in all the great knowledge you all had gained, even learning Hebrew. With the early church's fight to keep the Jews from telling Christians it was God and not rituals they needed, they didn't have to be Jews, you could quote verse after verse to say the fight was against all of God's teachings except how the church interpreted that fight.

You could throw at Moses how we aren't under law for salvation, and when you tell him what Christ made obsolete and took the place of tell him how Moses was also made obsolete, and how smart the church is and what a stogy useless old man he is, and how he should just go away.

119th Psalm!! What an old fashioned, outdated idea!! Today's church does not allow it to be copied into a Christian site!!!

 

[Zinzerio]

no.

Sabbath is a day of rest for all people.

Church is also supposed to be an ongoing thing, not a once a week thing, the traditional church got this wrong, and have suffered greatly because of it;.

Ok as you have seen already that me and redtent has shared with you a sabbath day we have remembered. could you share one you have remembered. And when you say a day of rest does that mean you just sit on your couch and put your feet up all day ?

 

[Zinzerio]

Keep the commandments?.

Yes.

If you knew the magnitude of what Christ has done for us and does in us you would realize a couple things right away.
1. Your work isn't what pleases God but your Faith in Christ is.

Its is both works and faith.

2. It is the Spirit that has shown us what Christ has done and it is the Spirit that changes us.

correct.

So now the argument is that in order to really be a Christian we must go back to the weak and beggarly elements??? We must go back to kindergarten because some "christians" have no faith or understanding???

Actually you are to be like children never forgetting that he is the farther.

If I were using my carnal understanding the arguments of the hebrew wannabes would be most convincing. I would be blind and they could be my blind guides.

God has made no distinction between Gentill and jew we are all doomed if we go against the teachings of the commandments which includes the sabbath.

The Lord opened my eyes. He showed me that the gap is much to big for us to make it by our works. We must rely fully on Him. And then we must continue to rely fully on Him. If we go back to our own work at the law we have fallen from grace and this gap must be bridged again.

There is still work to do. Just not at the law. He fulfilled it. By the Obedience of One (the Lord Jesus Christ), many will be made righteous.

So if you are going back to trying to obey commandments in your own will, strength and understanding you are NOT having faith that the Lord Jesus has already made you righteous. You must complete the WHOLE law yourself because you have fallen from grace because of having no faith. You have been entangled AGAIN, in the yoke of bondage. If ever you were in fact free from it. You didn't learn what the schoolmaster should have taught you.

We are saved by grace through faith and not of works.

Ephesians 2:8-10
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Not of works, lest any man should boast.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Why would I even tell anyone all this? Isn't it the essence of casting pearls before swine? If there are real Christians that are being led by blind guides perhaps they will hear and start again on the Path that Saves. That would be worth it.


How do you know that what I am saying is the truth? Because I am pointing you to Christ. Not to my beliefs or my religion. Straight to the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Do you need Jesus plus the law? NO
Do you need Jesus plus the feasts? NO

Do they help you to feel more holy? That would be something interesting to examine.

all the things you mention i think if you have the grace they become easy to follow please don't say break say you want God to help you to follow them at all times , Jesus said go from here sin no more , he also said in the joshua 1:9 i am the lord your God and i will be with you where ever you go

 

[Grandpa]

And again, for the millionth time (give or take a hundred thousand), no one here is talking about obedience for Salvation. No one. You can shout it from the roof tops until you're blue in the face "THE LAW CANNOT SAVE!" Everyone else would be standing on the ground saying, "Exactly. So what? Why are you yelling?"

The question remains, does the law and God's commandments have any application for Christians today?
For salvation? No.
To know how to live a Godly life, and by God's Spirit to try and live it out?
Yes.
Because Jesus told us to?
Yes.

Matthew 5:19
"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

You are trying to separate the law between what is needed for Salvation and what is needed for the Life of a Christian.

You have placed yourself back under the law and have fallen from Grace.

There is no distinction between what is needed for Salvation and what is needed for the Life of a Christian.
The same thing that sustains our Salvation is what sustains our Christian Life. Grace through Faith. There is never a time when we will not need this.

The Law doesn't teach you how to live a Christian Life. The Holy Spirit does.

Colossians 2:2-3
[SUP]2 [/SUP]That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;
[SUP]3 [/SUP]In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

The law was given for a reason. So that you would come to the giver of all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. After you have come to Him there is no need for the weak and beggarly elements. You have come to the Power of the Gospel.

 

[Grandpa]

As an aside, What is the end result of what Jesus is saying in Matthew 5?

Matthew 5:19
"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

If you do the commandments and teach others to do so, you will be the greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven.
If you do not do the commandments, and you teach others not to them, you will be the least in the Kingdom.

Note that both groups are there, but God makes a distinction between the 2.

Just sayin'.

Now all you need is some discernment on who does the commandments and who doesn't.

Be ye perfect like your Father in Heaven is Perfect. That is what the Lord Jesus says. That was His words magnifying the law.

Are you going to teach to rest on saturdays and observe feasts to accomplish that? Lets just say that I think you are missing the mark...

 

[john832]

Now all you need is some discernment on who does the commandments and who doesn't.

Be ye perfect like your Father in Heaven is Perfect. That is what the Lord Jesus says. That was His words magnifying the law.

Are you going to teach to rest on saturdays and observe feasts to accomplish that? Lets just say that I think you are missing the mark...

And if you think so, that is entirely up to you.

 

[KohenMatt]

You are trying to separate the law between what is needed for Salvation and what is needed for the Life of a Christian.

You have placed yourself back under the law and have fallen from Grace.

Sadly, you are completely wrong.

There is no distinction between what is needed for Salvation and what is needed for the Life of a Christian.
The same thing that sustains our Salvation is what sustains our Christian Life. Grace through Faith. There is never a time when we will not need this.

The Law doesn't teach you how to live a Christian Life. The Holy Spirit does.

Colossians 2:2-3
[SUP]2 [/SUP]That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;
[SUP]3 [/SUP]In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

The law was given for a reason. So that you would come to the giver of all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. After you have come to Him there is no need for the weak and beggarly elements. You have come to the Power of the Gospel.

So what does this Christian life look like? Physically and practically, what do you do (if anything)? How do you live your life, practically?

Matthew 5:19
"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."