Amillennialism

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Ariel82

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Hebrews 13

17Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.



Talks about SPIRITUAL LEADERS. Like the Apostles or the bishops or deacons or teachers of the church....not antichrists.....
 

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1 Peter 2

18Servants, be subject to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the unjust. 19For this is a gracious thing, when, mindful of God, one endures sorrows while suffering unjustly. 20For what credit is it if, when you sin and are beaten for it, you endure? But if when you do good and suffer for it you endure, this is a gracious thing in the sight of God. 21For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you might follow in his steps. 22He committed no sin, neither was deceit found in his mouth. 23When he was reviled, he did not revile in return; when he suffered, he did not threaten, but continued entrusting himself to him who judges justly.

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That last line says to trust God who judges justly and to endure beatings and such as Jesus did even though we do good and show love, yet get treated harshly. Jesus says even when we are mistreated we do not answer evil with evil but show God's love even to our enemies.
 

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For those interested in the symbolism behind certain numbers...

https://carm.org/what-biblical-numerology

I believe that God does both the revealed and the hidden meanings in Scripture that even the Apostles didn't understand without study and Jesus teaching them the hidden meanings and prophecies about Him and His life.
 

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So then Nero was Caesar at the beginning of the revolt in ad66-70 and the ones who refused to buy and sell with his money and revolted/rebelled(Jews) and minted their own money instead of using the Romans(because of images) are the ones who worshiped Nero and bought and sold with his mark? Seems as though they did the opposite to me,lol.
 

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Where in Revelation 13 does it talk about Jews?

I feel as if there is some assumptions you are making which is why we are having a failure in communication
 

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You are mistaken. Amil actually says the mark of the beast was given to 1st century people by Nero when they worshipped at the Roman temples that allowed them to trade at the market places. They received a mark on their hand or forehead to show they had bowed down to the emporer's idols as if he were a god.
You said Nero right here right?
 

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Not all prophecies must be viewed physically. Scripture must be taken spiritually.



Amilleniallism is not preterism.

Amillenialism is a view that we are in the millenium now, 1000 years is a symbol of a perfect timing/span.

Second coming will occur after all predestined people will be saved. So its not about the second coming in 70 AD.

NO?????then what of the all the promises God gave the Jewish People? They have gone to the Church RIGHT???? there is very little difference in Preterism...They are Amellennialist.
 

Ariel82

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Dual covenant theology.....yes many eschatology positions reject that but that doesn't make them identical.
 

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The birthright promise did not pertain to [the one seed]
The birthright is spiritual seed Christ, not seen .Esau who saw no value in it sold it for a cup of soup. We are to buy the spiritual truths not sell it like Esau or Cain.... marked men

Just as in the garden of Eden putting more value in that seen, than the unseen eternal voice of God.

It is in respect to the promised, spiritual ,eternal seed (not seen) Christ not after the temporal seeds as that seen, many. Of the seeds of the Son of man His flesh he informs us it did not profit.

We walk by faith the unseen eternal not after that seen... the temporal . The temporal conditional, received the temporal land as that seen and Solomon failed to keep the condition.

2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.


Without parables the signified language (a matter of semantics) of the Holy Spirit, Christ spoke not .Semantics hide the literal from natural man who must walk by sight (no faith)

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

It as it is written represents the unseen eternal faith of God not seen.As it is written is what makes the devil flee

Strike one...Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Strike two....Mat 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

Strike three , you're out..... Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

Supernatural (without nature a beginning) God is not a man as us .Never was never could be.
 

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NO?????then what of the all the promises God gave the Jewish People? They have gone to the Church RIGHT???? there is very little difference in Preterism...They are Amellennialist.
He only gave the seeds of the flesh, the temporal, to the outward Jews. Abel in whom God had mercy and grace on was not Jewish.

The Jews as a parable were used for a temporal time . The reformation has come. The genealogy of Christ as to the seed ended at the time. of reformation

The Holy Ghost this "signifying", that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:Which was a parable for the "time" then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the "time" of reformation.Heb 9:8

It was the time to rend . The same time the outward Jew pertaining to flesh refuses to acknowledge. The Son of man acknowledged his flesh profits for nothing. Why do they not reason together with Christ?

Ecc 3:1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

The question is what was the purpose of the time of reformation?

Time to start wailing on a wall seen, in a hope Christ would come as the Son of man???? Time to mend the rent veil?
 

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He only gave the seeds of the flesh, the temporal, to the outward Jews. Abel in whom God had mercy and grace on was not Jewish.

The Jews as a parable were used for a temporal time . The reformation has come. The genealogy of Christ as to the seed ended at the time. of reformation

The Holy Ghost this "signifying", that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:Which was a parable for the "time" then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the "time" of reformation.Heb 9:8

It was the time to rend . The same time the outward Jew pertaining to flesh refuses to acknowledge. The Son of man acknowledged his flesh profits for nothing. Why do they not reason together with Christ?

Ecc 3:1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

The question is what was the purpose of the time of reformation?

Time to start wailing on a wall seen, in a hope Christ would come as the Son of man???? Time to mend the rent veil?

In Acts 3:21 Acts 3 Interlinear Bible Peter speaks of this in future tense, when do you say it took place?
 

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Originally Posted by Adstar


I believe in option 1 ... That conforms with the Book of Revelation..

I believe we have people who believe in all the options 1-4 in this forum. I also believe each person believes their beliefs conforms with the Book of Revelation.

what i don't understand is the need for some people to insult others because they don't agree with their views.

perhaps such people link salvation with correct doctrine instead of by Faith alone in Jesus atoning work upon the Cross?
And where in my statement is a personal inslut upon anyone who believes differently to me?
 

Adstar

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I thought this topic was about Amillennialism?? Why are people talking about the Jews?? Thats a totally different topic..
 

garee

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When John wrote this Revelation, telling us to count the number of the beast,
he wrote in the Greek language. Consequently, we should look for this name,
and the number 666, in this language recognized in the Bible, not in the Latin or Hebrew.

We are all familiar with the Roman numerals, where letters are used for numbers.
All understand that I is 1, v is 5, x is 10, etc. But many do not know that the Greek
language, in which the book of Revelation was written, also uses letters for numbers.


In the Greek this name was understood in the second century a.d. to have originally
been spelled Lateinos. It signifies “Latin man” or “the name of Latium,”
from which region the Romans derived their origin and their language.


This word, too, signifies “Roman.” In the Greek, l is 30, a is 1, t is 300, e is 5,
I is 10, n is 50, o is 70, s is 200. Count these figures. They count to exactly 666!

It is indeed no coincidence that the name of the kingdom, its founder and first king,
and of each man in the kingdom, counts to exactly 666!

Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

The scriptures identify the beast of the field as unconverted mankind as 666. Natural man is the signified spiritual meaning. We walk by eternal faith of God after the unseen spiritual, hid in parables.

If men are looking to seek after a literal mark none will be found.

Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Satan is not a beast of the field ....made from dust .He has no form ,no DNA. and is why he needs the beast of the field to deceive those who walk by sight after the lust of the eye, the lust of the flesh, needed to provide the false pride .

Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.1Jo 2:15
 

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He only gave the seeds of the flesh, the temporal, to the outward Jews. Abel in whom God had mercy and grace on was not Jewish.

The Jews as a parable were used for a temporal time . The reformation has come. The genealogy of Christ as to the seed ended at the time. of reformation

The Holy Ghost this "signifying", that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:Which was a parable for the "time" then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the "time" of reformation.Heb 9:8

It was the time to rend . The same time the outward Jew pertaining to flesh refuses to acknowledge. The Son of man acknowledged his flesh profits for nothing. Why do they not reason together with Christ?

Ecc 3:1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

The question is what was the purpose of the time of reformation?

Time to start wailing on a wall seen, in a hope Christ would come as the Son of man???? Time to mend the rent veil?

In Acts 3:21 Acts 3 Interlinear Bible Peter speaks of this in future tense, when do you say it took place?

double post sorry
 

Bladerunner

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You are mistaken. Amil actually says the mark of the beast was given to 1st century people by Nero when they worshipped at the Roman temples that allowed them to trade at the market places. They received a mark on their hand or forehead to show they had bowed down to the emporer's idols as if he were a god.

Who is Amil.....a person????
 

garee

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In Acts 3:21 Acts 3 Interlinear Bible Peter speaks of this in future tense, when do you say it took place?

He is the lamb of God slain from before the foundation of the world. Not according to the one time outward demonstration as if the flesh profited for something.

Job Like John spoke of the future tense. How do we drink the blood of men?

Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.John 6:54

For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh (new incorruptible) shall I see God:Job 19:25

Even though the Son of man was known temporarily after the flesh it did not profit as if God was a man as us to begin with

We walk by faith mixing it in what we do see or hear coming from God. Not as eye pleasers,

2Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known
Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

How long is henceforth is the question?
 
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iamsoandso

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He is the lamb of God slain from before the foundation of the world. Not according to the one time outward demonstration as if the flesh profited for something.

Job Like John spoke of the future tense. How do we drink the blood of men?

John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Job 19:25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
Job 19:26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:

Even though the Son of man was known temporarily after the flesh it did not profit as if God was a man as us to begin with
We walk by faith mixing it in what we do see or hear coming from God. Not as eye pleasers,

2Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known
Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

How long is henceforth is the question?

So you never did say, do you see the restoration before or after Acts 3:21?
 

garee

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Who is Amil.....a person????

Its a unknown time period in respect to the signified spiritual understanding, hid in that parable . You could say the measure of the golden reed the signified measure of God and not the literal measure of man
 

garee

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So you never did say, do you see the restoration before or after Acts 3:21?
The times of restitution of all things will be on the last day It began when the veil was rent ...the beginning of the last days signified by the word thousand. The time of reformation the time when the Jews were no longer used to represent the coming of the Son of man as that seen in parables .

From my experiences most do not acknowledge the reformation . The fifteenth century yes. The first century which sets the pattern for the fifteenth, no .

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
Which was a parable for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them "until the time" of reformation.Heb 9:8
 
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