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homwardbound

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I've never met a Muslim who hated Christ, or a Sikh or even a Hindu.
I've met a few Muslims who hated Jews, can't imagine why. But the Jewish hatred of Christ is well documented. They repeatedly sought to kill Him and eventually handed Him over to Pilate for crucification, "His blood be on us and on our children", is that not what they said?

Most modern Jews do not follow the Torah, but the Babylonian Talmud. Go read for yourself what they think of our Savior, the Messiah they rejected. The Talmud states that Jesus is burning in excrement in hell. Go read it for yourself. Jewish hatred of Christ and His followers is well documented. But were I to post that documentation here, it would be mostly ignored and I would be accused of anti whatever and hatred etc. I'll pass thanks.
the free choice is for us all each personally between God Father and Son as risen where new life as. born new is at from Father for me at least to see in love and mercy to all, that is all folks for me at least. seeing it is God's love that overcame evil once for us all at the cross by his resurrection as proof from Father
Galatians 1:1
Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)
Either one believe es God in this truth or not, that is all that is left after that cross, thanks at least to me
 
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We all know that the meaning of Christ is Savior.

Let us humble ourselves and let God reconcile these verses.

Kindly read these verses below repeatedly and share what do you understand or what is the revelation of God to you.
According to God there must be One Savior alone.
How many Christ or Savior in these verses?

MATTHEW 16:17
16
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the CHRIST , the Son of the living God --- JESUS CHRIST

ISAIAH 43:10-11
10
Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I AM HE: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no SAVIOUR. ------------------ GOD OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC & JACOB (GOD THE FATHER)
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Let us not forget that, Peter recognized Jesus through God The Father's Revelation or it was a Miracle.

In Matthew 16:17 and Isaiah 43:10-11 there are 2 Saviors.

Who can reconcile these verses but only God through his words because THE WORD WAS GOD (JOHN 1:1)

According to God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob whom they call him God The Father he made a covenant or testament.
And God called it as AN EVERLASTING COVENANT.
The purpose is TO BE A GOD UNTO THEE, & TO THY SEED AFTER THEE (Between God and His People only).
GENESIS 17:7
7
And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

Therefore whoever covered in this covenant or testament is a people of God.
But those who are not covered are not a people of God.

In relation with the Covenant or Testament, Jesus taught this to Paul. and Paul wrote it down.
The One who made the testament must die or else the testament he made is nothing.

HEBREWS 9:16-17
16
For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

God the Father who made the Testament must die.
But God the Father is a Spirit God.

How Can God fulfill his testament when he can't die?

Who can explain these verses?

But God through his words (John 1:1) can reveal to us what is next.





mmm
 

posthuman

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Let us not forget that, Peter recognized Jesus through God The Father's Revelation or it was a Miracle.

In Matthew 16:17 and Isaiah 43:10-11 there are 2 Saviors.

Who can reconcile these verses but only God through his words because THE WORD WAS GOD (JOHN 1:1)

According to God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob whom they call him God The Father he made a covenant or testament.
And God called it as AN EVERLASTING COVENANT.
The purpose is TO BE A GOD UNTO THEE, & TO THY SEED AFTER THEE (Between God and His People only).
GENESIS 17:7
7
And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

Therefore whoever covered in this covenant or testament is a people of God.
But those who are not covered are not a people of God.

In relation with the Covenant or Testament, Jesus taught this to Paul. and Paul wrote it down.
The One who made the testament must die or else the testament he made is nothing.

HEBREWS 9:16-17
16
For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

God the Father who made the Testament must die.
But God the Father is a Spirit God.

How Can God fulfill his testament when he can't die?

Who can explain these verses?

But God through his words (John 1:1) can reveal to us what is next.





mmm
you may enjoy the Christ is God omnibus thread :)
 

posthuman

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In Matthew 16:17 and Isaiah 43:10-11 there are 2 Saviors.
no, there is only one Savior, the Lord God.
the scripture is that which testifies of Him - see John 5:39
 

Pilgrimshope

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1 JOHN 4:2-3

2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
If you were to use your words and explain what this is saying , for instance “ what does it mean by “ Jesus Christ is come in the flesh ?”

i think a lot of times we interpret what’s there differently I’m wondering how you would interpret the scripture there ?
 

homwardbound

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How Can God fulfill his testament when he can't die?

Who can explain these verses?
Only God can in, God's Holy Spirit given free of charge ever, to each of God's, each have their own personal relationship of Love and mercy given them to give the same to all as is done for all once for all, completed in the risen Son for us to be new, as called by Father to us all at least me, thank you
 
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#47
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Let us not forget that, Peter recognized Jesus through God The Father's Revelation or it was a Miracle.

In Matthew 16:17 and Isaiah 43:10-11 there are 2 Saviors.

Who can reconcile these verses but only God through his words because THE WORD WAS GOD (JOHN 1:1)

According to God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob whom they call him God The Father he made a covenant or testament.
And God called it as AN EVERLASTING COVENANT.
The purpose is TO BE A GOD UNTO THEE, & TO THY SEED AFTER THEE (Between God and His People only).
GENESIS 17:7
7
And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

Therefore whoever covered in this covenant or testament is a people of God.
But those who are not covered are not a people of God.

In relation with the Covenant or Testament, Jesus taught this to Paul. and Paul wrote it down.
The One who made the testament must die or else the testament he made is nothing.

HEBREWS 9:16-17
16
For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

God the Father who made the Testament must die.
But God the Father is a Spirit God.

How Can God fulfill his testament when he can't die?

Who can explain these verses?

But God through his words (John 1:1) can reveal to us what is next.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Since The WORD was GOD. And God would reveal the truth through his words.
Now I'm just connecting the words of God for the ONE SAVIOR alone.

ISAIAH 43:10-11 God The Father claimed that he is only the Savior and No One Else.

GEN 17:7 God the Father made a Covenant or Testament.

HEBREWS 9:16-17 God the father must die himself to fulfill his testament.

God the Father is a Spirit God and Can't Die.

So God The Father can die, this is what he did according to him.
1 TIMOTHY 3:16 (KJV 1611 only)
16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

According to Paul. No need for a debate, because nothing is controversy. There is no impossible with God.
Yes the Spirit God became Flesh.

Isaiah 43:10-11 God The Father is the Saviors Alone.
Matthew 16:16-17 God the Father revealed to Peter that Jesus is the Christ means Savior.
From these verses it seems there is really One Savior.

God through is words this is his revelation.

God the Father pointing someone and he says I AM HE. We should believe in what God The Father said.
ISAIAH 43:10-11
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I AM HE: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.


Then The Lord Jesus Christ pointing someone and at the same time he gave a warning For those will not believe him.
JOHN 8:24
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins.
 
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With the revelation of God to Peter. Now it is clear why the recognition of Peter to Jesus required a miracle from the Father.
Peter recognized Jesus as the God of Abraham who speak in Isaiah 43:10-11 who come in the Flesh to Fulfill His Testament. According to God the Father He is only the Savior and No One Else.

Let us read again what Simon Peter said to Jesus.

MATTHEW 16:16-17
16
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the CHRIST, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
 
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With the revelation of God to Peter. Now it is clear why the recognition of Peter to Jesus required a miracle from the Father.
Peter recognized Jesus as the God of Abraham who speak in Isaiah 43:10-11 who come in the Flesh to Fulfill His Testament. According to God the Father He is only the Savior and No One Else.

Let us read again what Simon Peter said to Jesus.

MATTHEW 16:16-17
16
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the CHRIST, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Here is another evidence of God that Jesus Christ is the God of Abraham who made a testament and to fulfill it by his own death.
This is when Jesus was dying in the cross. But before he died he said the word IT IS FINISH.
Isn't it Jesus is referring to the testament that it is already fulfilled because anytime he will die.
JOHN 19:13
30
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

God revealed to us that Jesus came in the Flesh is the God of Abraham himself to fulfill the testament in his own death.

There is another question to raise.
How come there are several times we can read Jesus Christ is talking to his Father (God of Abraham) if Jesus is God The Father?

When Simon Peter said the Jesus you are The Christ, but Peter also said You Are The Son of The Living God?
 

homwardbound

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Here is another evidence of God that Jesus Christ is the God of Abraham who made a testament and to fulfill it by his own death.
This is when Jesus was dying in the cross. But before he died he said the word IT IS FINISH.
Isn't it Jesus is referring to the testament that it is already fulfilled because anytime he will die.
JOHN 19:13
30
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

God revealed to us that Jesus came in the Flesh is the God of Abraham himself to fulfill the testament in his own death.

There is another question to raise.
How come there are several times we can read Jesus Christ is talking to his Father (God of Abraham) if Jesus is God The Father?

When Simon Peter said the Jesus you are The Christ, but Peter also said You Are The Son of The Living God?
They are two, yet one as in the mystery of marriage between man and woman, it is not about sex, it is about relationship, having been given the love of 1 Cor 13:4-7 from God installed in us by God not anyone else through the done work of Son for us as Won (One) for us to be new and learn new daily, at least for me this I now see in thanksgiving and praise, seeing all sin by Son now taken away as in Psalm 103:12, 100:4 for us to be new and not worry over whether or not we got it or not, it is given, so we can freely choose and not have to as religion seems to only teach people to do or else attitudes. which is not well for my soul at least, thank you
 

Pilgrimshope

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#51
They are two, yet one as in the mystery of marriage between man and woman, it is not about sex, it is about relationship, having been given the love of 1 Cor 13:4-7 from God installed in us by God not anyone else through the done work of Son for us as Won (One) for us to be new and learn new daily, at least for me this I now see in thanksgiving and praise, seeing all sin by Son now taken away as in Psalm 103:12, 100:4 for us to be new and not worry over whether or not we got it or not, it is given, so we can freely choose and not have to as religion seems to only teach people to do or else attitudes. which is not well for my soul at least, thank you
If there’s no such thing as sin why are we taught by Jesus and his apostles to repent , confess and also forgive others sins against us ?

“If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

to simply ignore our sin isn’t the answer , infact we need to acknolwedge our sin to have it removed and be washed clean by the lord

It’s why Paul wrote the Corinthians and pointed out thier sin because it caused them to regret and repent and work towards clearing themselves and showing themselves clear in the matter

sin should make a Christian feel sorry for what they did regret it and feel guilty about it . Then they will confess and repent . But if we pretend what we did wasn’t sin because Jesus died well never feel repentance and respond

“Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing. For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭7:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If we never acknowledge when we have sinned we’re never going to enter o to the process of repentance

theres a lot of warnings regarding sin in the New Testament and doctrine for forgiveness of it as well . One thing that isn’t in there is to ignore sin as if we didn’t do it or as if there’s no such thing as sin because we believe
 

homwardbound

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If there’s no such thing as sin why are we taught by Jesus and his apostles to repent , confess and also forgive others sins against us ?

“If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

to simply ignore our sin isn’t the answer , infact we need to acknolwedge our sin to have it removed and be washed clean by the lord

It’s why Paul wrote the Corinthians and pointed out thier sin because it caused them to regret and repent and work towards clearing themselves and showing themselves clear in the matter

sin should make a Christian feel sorry for what they did regret it and feel guilty about it . Then they will confess and repent . But if we pretend what we did wasn’t sin because Jesus died well never feel repentance and respond

“Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing. For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭7:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If we never acknowledge when we have sinned we’re never going to enter o to the process of repentance

theres a lot of warnings regarding sin in the New Testament and doctrine for forgiveness of it as well . One thing that isn’t in there is to ignore sin as if we didn’t do it or as if there’s no such thing as sin because we believe
therefore are you asking how to stop it? It is impossible for man flesh to stop it perfect ever Matthew 19 states this truth from Jesus
So God Father through Son Jesus reconciled us all first as forgiven forever in his done work first, Whether one sins again or not, it is done to be given the new life where one quits sin and is viewed new from God so deeply, one stops sin willingly thanks to Father and Son for them, taking no credit in doing it. God did it for them
You seem to be busy in trying to stop sin and do not yet see you can't do it and want to, Hallelujah! but you might not be able to, you get to decide this truth and see to not be under Law as you are and then be purged from sin from God Father and Son to you to be new without pride or guilt in your way anymore as you are growing up to know and decide,
Love to you from God for you
God just loves us all y'all

Christ is the end of under Law
Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

It is by the grace we are saved by God Father and taught new in love e and mercy to all. Under Law eats people up in quilt and pride, time to let go and ask Father for the new life under grace given us to love in truth to all
 

Pilgrimshope

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#57
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Here is another evidence of God that Jesus Christ is the God of Abraham who made a testament and to fulfill it by his own death.
This is when Jesus was dying in the cross. But before he died he said the word IT IS FINISH.
Isn't it Jesus is referring to the testament that it is already fulfilled because anytime he will die.
JOHN 19:13
30
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

God revealed to us that Jesus came in the Flesh is the God of Abraham himself to fulfill the testament in his own death.

There is another question to raise.
How come there are several times we can read Jesus Christ is talking to his Father (God of Abraham) if Jesus is God The Father?

When Simon Peter said the Jesus you are The Christ, but Peter also said You Are The Son of The Living God?
the son is God in the form of man . The reason is God gave man dominion upon earth in the beginning

“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's: But the earth hath he given to the children of men.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭115:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Because of mans sinfulness we caused this with our god given dominion on earth

“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. ( our sinful dominion caused this )

Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God gave the earth to the sons of men but they all became wicked and went thier own way in thier dominion defiling the laws of God spoken over the earth with both blessings and cursings tbey cirsed the earth by those transgressions having dominion

So we come to Jesus “ the son of man “ after he became a man and overcame the world of sin and lust we can see tbat the heaven and earth have come back under one ruler both heaven and on earth because he became the man who has dominion on earth but kept it in Gods way

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

still the earth belongs to man but he became the perfect man in order to restore and redeem the creation from man’s sinful dominion and its consequences
therefore are you asking how to stop it? It is impossible for man flesh to stop it perfect ever Matthew 19 states this truth from Jesus
So God Father through Son Jesus reconciled us all first as forgiven forever in his done work first, Whether one sins again or not, it is done to be given the new life where one quits sin and is viewed new from God so deeply, one stops sin willingly thanks to Father and Son for them, taking no credit in doing it. God did it for them
You seem to be busy in trying to stop sin and do not yet see you can't do it and want to, Hallelujah! but you might not be able to, you get to decide this truth and see to not be under Law as you are and then be purged from sin from God Father and Son to you to be new without pride or guilt in your way anymore as you are growing up to know and decide,
Love to you from God for you
God just loves us all y'all

Christ is the end of under Law
Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

It is by the grace we are saved by God Father and taught new in love e and mercy to all. Under Law eats people up in quilt and pride, time to let go and ask Father for the new life under grace given us to love in truth to all
no you seem to be saying that there’s no sin anymore regarding what a believer actually does ? Our actions I mean

i was asking you if there’s no such thing as sin why does Jesus and his apostles teach us so much about how it’s deadly and how not doing evil works of the flesh and doing the good works of the spirit is our duty ? Following the spirit actively ? Why does it warn us so much about how we actually live and what we do and say ?

it could be that I can’t understand what your saying but specifically regarding that matter it sounds like your saying if I believe in Jesus and then tomorrow I told a white lie to someone to get out of a jam for instance …..I shouldnt think I sinned ? And shouldn’t feel guilt or confess this guilt in repentance ect

But again I’m saying up front I have a hard time following some of the things you say . Some I can understand other times I’m not sure.

I’m sure it’s the case with myself as well so I’m not insulting or criticizing , trying to better inderrrwnd by asking those questions in tbat reply to you

I’m just curious about what your saying
 

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Met known so many SDA, JW, Mormon, Jews, Muslims etc that love trust in Jesus Christ as lord. We walk by faith we live by faith. We speak words of life. We truly need to be careful we can not see the heart. As He once said "oh but do you know all the good he does for me".
 

homwardbound

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The offense was against posthuman. Perhaps you are unaware what "magical undies" refers to. It is a Mormon thing.
I did not know this, there is so much hype out in this world today over the done work done once for all by God and Son as Won (One) for us all the people to turn to and stand in belief to this truth thankfully
thank you, I do know of the mormon churches Doctrine To be a God of their own planet, now I see what you might be saying
I once heard of these people saying that I am to become holy and if I do not make it here and die then I will be reborn and one day make it and be a God of my own planet and have celestial sex to populate it. This happen in my house growing up. My eldest brother kicked them out after hearing that lie
I have been through my own demise under Law that got me messed up, yet needed that to see through it and just trust God in Son for me to simply love and let go of the things in this world of fake gold, willingly not forcefully as I saw religion trying to do to me and did do that for awhile. God is teaching, me needing no other, not even self to teach me anymore. So I read to know God only and not be a person better than any other ever
 

homwardbound

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the son is God in the form of man . The reason is God gave man dominion upon earth in the beginning

“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's: But the earth hath he given to the children of men.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭115:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Because of mans sinfulness we caused this with our god given dominion on earth

“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. ( our sinful dominion caused this )

Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God gave the earth to the sons of men but they all became wicked and went thier own way in thier dominion defiling the laws of God spoken over the earth with both blessings and cursings tbey cirsed the earth by those transgressions having dominion

So we come to Jesus “ the son of man “ after he became a man and overcame the world of sin and lust we can see tbat the heaven and earth have come back under one ruler both heaven and on earth because he became the man who has dominion on earth but kept it in Gods way

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

still the earth belongs to man but he became the perfect man in order to restore and redeem the creation from man’s sinful dominion and its consequences

no you seem to be saying that there’s no sin anymore regarding what a believer actually does ? Our actions I mean

i was asking you if there’s no such thing as sin why does Jesus and his apostles teach us so much about how it’s deadly and how not doing evil works of the flesh and doing the good works of the spirit is our duty ? Following the spirit actively ? Why does it warn us so much about how we actually live and what we do and say ?

it could be that I can’t understand what your saying but specifically regarding that matter it sounds like your saying if I believe in Jesus and then tomorrow I told a white lie to someone to get out of a jam for instance …..I shouldnt think I sinned ? And shouldn’t feel guilt or confess this guilt in repentance ect

But again I’m saying up front I have a hard time following some of the things you say . Some I can understand other times I’m not sure.

I’m sure it’s the case with myself as well so I’m not insulting or criticizing , trying to better inderrrwnd by asking those questions in tbat reply to you

I’m just curious about what your saying
that is the fight, between our first birth of flesh and God's Spirit of truth for to be given this to see it. That begins with belief to it is done for us to be new in the risen Son for us only (Eph. 1:13, 6,7) to reckon self dead to sin daily, to believe God by Son did take all sin away at his one time physical death alone, except "unbelief" for us to turn to God and believe God all in all, it is done for us to be new by Faith, belief to God. To use us (us willingly) in love to us to all, (1 Cor 13:4-7). To add to what is done, by flesh doing or not doing work is ludicrous, by trying to do what is done negates the done work of Son for you, me and anyone else under Law, yet is needed to go through to see as well. As religion promotes others and many to be under Law, which reveals the curse of the Law, not the Law itself, the people of the first born flesh are under the curse and by the first born flesh cannot and do not do it perfectly ever, Therefore, reckon self dead to sin by God for you in Son to you, daily. Galatians can only be revealed to a person by God only as Paul wrote it by God's lead for us to see and be new in belief only, were God's done work flows through one and then many in love given them as in (1 Cor 13:4-7) do the true work, not the self anymore. The same as it was revealed to Peter about Son being the Messiah, it could have only been revealed to Peter by God Father as Jesus said that to Peter. So please do not go after what you hear me state, turn to God in trust to God to hear truth over error(s) of this world we are in and not be of that old man any longer, once one anyone believes God, one gets set free in humility thanks to God and will not boast of any work but God's done work only in risen Son, thanks and will be too busy praising God over this done work for them there is no more time left to sin
Yet that takes a long while (Did me) to see through this, I see to stand only in the present second, that is the present from God to us brother to stay in the present, no more past or future to ponder over
Phil 3 only Father can reveal this to you me trusting Father to see you through this amazing grace that is sufficient for you
once I stop asking God for more forgiveness the new life began and I began to grow up (Hebrews 5:12- Chapter 6)