An Analysis on the 144,000 in Revelation

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I AM NOT CLAIMING THE DEAD DO NOT RISE. I am asking you WHO ARE THESE DEAD you CLAIM ARE RISING?

SINCE THE SAINTS ARE RETURNING WITH HIM THEN WHO IS DEAD IN THE GROUND RISING? THAT IS THE QUESTION.


WHO ARE THE DEAD THAT ARE RISING WHEN CHRIST RETURNS WITH THE SAINTS?
The bodies of the saints who are returning with Christ. iow, the physical bodies are RESURRECTED and glorified and joined to the saints that come back with Christ.

That's all.
 
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But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. = Future tense
But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits,
afterward those who are Christ’s
at His coming.

GOD Says this at least 3X in HIS WORD = 1 Cor ch15 , 1 Thess 4:13-18 , Hebrews 9:28

YOU ALL DO THE SAME THING AND WE ALL KNOW WHY

1Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order.........................


John 11:23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.

24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

26 AND WHOSOEVER LIVETH AND BELIEVETH IN ME SHALL NEVER DIE. BELIEVEST THOU THIS?


RESURRECTION HAS TO COME UPON DEATH OF THE EARTHEN FLESH VESSEL AND LIFE IS BODY SOUL SPIRIT AND SINCE WE WILL BE IN HEAVEN AND WE HAVE A HEAVENLY BODY THEN IT IS THAT BODY SPIRIT SOUL THAT GOES TO HEAVEN AND THAT NEEDS A ROBE AND HAS FEET AND THAT BODY SOUL SPIRIT THAT RETURNS WITH CHRIST.
 
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We simply don't know. The Bible doesn't address it. Just accept that Samuel was disturbed from his rest in Paradise and told Saul that.

What kind of body he had, if any, is unknown. Let's not speculate.
THAT IS WHAT I SAID.
 

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GOD SAYS WE HAVE TWO BODIES AND EVERY SEED HAS A BODY AND THE QUESTION ASKED ISN'T 'DO WE RISE WITH OR WITHOUT A BODY THE QUESTION IS ASKED WITH WHAT BODY DO WE RISE.

SO WHO IS CHANGING WHAT IS WRITTEN????

YOU HAVE 'BODYLESS' SEEDS RUNNING AROUND
Vive la révolution.

Les américains ne sont pas dignes de toi mon ami.

Si Édouard de Laboulaye n'avait pas proposé la Statue de la Liberté alors personne n'aurait pu les voir dans le noir.
L'Angleterre est légère avec les feux de la Normandie et la joie de la France dans notre sang couru.

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The bodies of the saints who are returning with Christ. iow, the physical bodies are RESURRECTED and glorified and joined to the saints that come back with Christ.

That's all.

WHO ARE THE DEAD THAT RISE?
 
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YOU ALL DO THE SAME THING AND WE ALL KNOW WHY

1Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order.........................


John 11:23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.

24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

26 AND WHOSOEVER LIVETH AND BELIEVETH IN ME SHALL NEVER DIE. BELIEVEST THOU THIS?


RESURRECTION HAS TO COME UPON DEATH OF THE EARTHEN FLESH VESSEL AND LIFE IS BODY SOUL SPIRIT AND SINCE WE WILL BE IN HEAVEN AND WE HAVE A HEAVENLY BODY THEN IT IS THAT BODY SPIRIT SOUL THAT GOES TO HEAVEN AND THAT NEEDS A ROBE AND HAS FEET AND THAT BODY SOUL SPIRIT THAT RETURNS WITH CHRIST.
You have been greatly confused by false doctrine and you are both adding to and taking away from Scripture to fit your doctrine.

Are you a mormon, jehovah witness, LDS, or other denominational following???

You reject the Word of God where it is CLEARLY States no glorified bodily resurrection of earthbound bodies until His Second Coming.

You reject that when we die our physical body returns to dust/earth and our spirit/soul returns to God.
 
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Vive la révolution.

Les américains ne sont pas dignes de toi mon ami.

Si Édouard de Laboulaye n'avait pas proposé la Statue de la Liberté alors personne n'aurait pu les voir dans le noir.
L'Angleterre est légère avec les feux de la Normandie et la joie de la France dans notre sang couru.

:love:
These six things the Lord hates,
Yes, seven are an abomination to Him:
A proud look,
A lying tongue,
Hands that shed innocent blood,
A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that are swift in running to evil,
A false witness who speaks lies,
And one who sows discord among brethren.
 
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Vive la révolution.

Les américains ne sont pas dignes de toi mon ami.

Si Édouard de Laboulaye n'avait pas proposé la Statue de la Liberté alors personne n'aurait pu les voir dans le noir.
L'Angleterre est légère avec les feux de la Normandie et la joie de la France dans notre sang couru.

:love:
Thank you and feel free to jump on in, the waters fine!!!
GOD says they separate = physical body gets buried in the earth/sea and your spirit/soul goes to Christ IF you are in HIM.
GOD says they separate

WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST PUT THAT OUT THERE PAGES AGO?
PLEASE, JUST BOOK CHAPTER AND VERSE
 
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Thank you and feel free to jump on in, the waters fine!!!


GOD says they separate

WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST PUT THAT OUT THERE PAGES AGO?
PLEASE, JUST BOOK CHAPTER AND VERSE
But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die,
even so in Christ all shall be made alive. = Future tense
But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits,

afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. = Future tense

GOD Says this at least 3X in HIS WORD = 1 Cor ch15 , 1 Thess 4:13-18 , Hebrews 9:28
 
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You reject the Word of God where it is CLEARLY States no glorified bodily resurrection of earthbound bodies until His Second Coming.
Where is it 'CLEARLY STATED NO GLORIFIED BODILY RESURRECTION UNTIL....???'

It can not be found in anything you have put forth so far.

Feel free and just copy and paste these CLEARLY STATED NO BODY RESURRECTS until later Scriptures. And I sure hope you are gathering a list of the questions I have been asking as I am looking forward to hearing the answers.
 
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Where is it 'CLEARLY STATED NO GLORIFIED BODILY RESURRECTION UNTIL....???'

It can not be found in anything you have put forth so far.

Feel free and just copy and paste these CLEARLY STATED NO BODY RESURRECTS until later Scriptures. And I sure hope you are gathering a list of the questions I have been asking as I am looking forward to hearing the answers.
GOD Says this at least 3X in HIS WORD = 1 Cor ch15 , 1 Thess 4:13-18 , Hebrews 9:28 , 1 John ch2-ch3
 
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GOD Says this at least 3X in HIS WORD = 1 Cor ch15 , 1 Thess 4:13-18 , Hebrews 9:28 , 1 John ch2-ch3

IF IT DID SAY IT, YOU WOULD POST IT. YOU ARE THE ONE MAKING THE CLAIM. SINCE I DON'T SEE IT, IT IS USELESS FOR ME TO TRY AND FIND IT ON MY OWN. I COULD GO VERSE BY VERSE POST BY POST UNTIL I FINALLY GOT TO THE ONE you ARE USING but since you are the ONLY one who knows where you see it, the simplest path would be for you to just give me the exact verses so I could quit guessing and we could stop doing this. How about it? What words would I need to post to have you do that for me?
 
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IF IT DID SAY IT, YOU WOULD POST IT. YOU ARE THE ONE MAKING THE CLAIM. SINCE I DON'T SEE IT, IT IS USELESS FOR ME TO TRY AND FIND IT ON MY OWN. I COULD GO VERSE BY VERSE POST BY POST UNTIL I FINALLY GOT TO THE ONE you ARE USING but since you are the ONLY one who knows where you see it, the simplest path would be for you to just give me the exact verses so I could quit guessing and we could stop doing this. How about it? What words would I need to post to have you do that for me?
Study: 1 Cor ch15 , 1 Thess 4:13-18 , Hebrews 9:28 , 1 John 3:1-3 , Rev 6:9-11 , Rev 20:4-6 , Matt 12:24-27 , Isa 26:19
 

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Like you I have - but I do not argue against what is written.

Focus on the words of the LORD = Matthew ch23 and Zechariah ch14 for in this Truth will you know who the 144K are not,
and in the Gospel of John you will find who the 144K are.

"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling! Look, your house is left to you desolate. For I tell you that you will not see Me again until you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.’” "
Yeah actually you do.

You reject Gen 15 and 17 where God said that he gave the physical descendents of one son all the land of canaan as an eternal gift..And lev 26, where God tells them what will happen if they fall away, and what will happen if they repent.

And all the OT prophets which say Israel will be scattered all over the world. But one day, after they repent, they will be returned to the land.. And this will occure after the time of jacobs trouble, 0r as Jesus said in matt 24. the great tribulation. and as romans 11 says, At that time, when the time of the gentile is fullilled. All Isreal will be saved. Because Gods gift.. the one you claim is no longer valid, or is changed. Is irrevokable..
 
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btw, since Revelation also describes the lake of fire as the "second death", I believe the resurrection of the unsaved will be back in their mortal bodies, only to have them die again. And then their unsaved soul will exist in the lake of fire "for ever and ever".
How could that be without going against the words of God in Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment

And we know one body is sown and the other is raised. But just because something is raised incorruptible doesn't mean that lake of fire death can't kill, it just means MAN can't as DEATH has lost it's sting.


Lastly, GOD is a CONSUMING fire.

What do you see happening here?

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
 
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Yeah actually you do.

You reject Gen 15 and 17 where God said that he gave the physical descendents of one son all the land of canaan as an eternal gift..And lev 26, where God tells them what will happen if they fall away, and what will happen if they repent.

And all the OT prophets which say Israel will be scattered all over the world. But one day, after they repent, they will be returned to the land.. And this will occure after the time of jacobs trouble, 0r as Jesus said in matt 24. the great tribulation. and as romans 11 says, At that time, when the time of the gentile is fullilled. All Isreal will be saved. Because Gods gift.. the one you claim is no longer valid, or is changed. Is irrevokable..
Nope, never rejected that - in FACT I directed you straight to it = Matt 23:37-39 and Zechariah ch14
 
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I prefer the English Channel. And besides we still haven't been repaid for the tea that was cast into Griffin's Wharf, Boston in 1773. Thats just not British.
Pretty sure there had been some 'overcharging' taking place for quite a while and it was just time to 0 out the books. At least as far as I can remember...but 2 sides to every story isn't there?
 

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These six things the Lord hates,
Yes, seven are an abomination to Him:
A proud look,
A lying tongue,
Hands that shed innocent blood,
A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that are swift in running to evil,
A false witness who speaks lies,
And one who sows discord among brethren.
And the fine silk that is sown into the belly of the serpent is only visible when he rises to cause the rider to fall backwards. God is my judge.
 
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