And the SMOKE of their torment...No eternal damnation for anyone, except the Devil
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I think the stumbling block for many is that it seems unfair that people who were deceived by the Devil and wind up in hell have to stay there for eternity.
I heard a brother share on some verses in Leviticus, if you are a thief and you get caught you have to repay 7 fold. I think the Bible is far more concerned with souls than with inanimate objects.
So yes, let's say Satan deceives a million people, he will have to pay back 7 million. That means that many people who were not deceived must also be paid back along with those that were.
This is where I think the 1,000 years comes in and the rebellion that Satan has at the end of the 1,000 years. Many people who were paid back to God from Satan, the deceiver, will be exposed a second time and that is when they will be tossed into the lake of fire.
During this seven years of tribulation we will reveal those that love the Lord, those that are faithful to the Lord, the 144,000, and the Jews who are observant.
Everyone else, and it will be the majority of people, will not fall into these categories. However, since a good percentage of them were deceived by Satan through fraud I suspect there will be a very large number that will be given a second chance.
God is merciful. He doesn't want any to perish and He is righteous. To me that means no one will go into the lake of fire unless they have absolutely, undeniably and beyond any reasonable doubt chosen that path.
I heard a brother share on some verses in Leviticus, if you are a thief and you get caught you have to repay 7 fold. I think the Bible is far more concerned with souls than with inanimate objects.
So yes, let's say Satan deceives a million people, he will have to pay back 7 million. That means that many people who were not deceived must also be paid back along with those that were.
This is where I think the 1,000 years comes in and the rebellion that Satan has at the end of the 1,000 years. Many people who were paid back to God from Satan, the deceiver, will be exposed a second time and that is when they will be tossed into the lake of fire.
During this seven years of tribulation we will reveal those that love the Lord, those that are faithful to the Lord, the 144,000, and the Jews who are observant.
Everyone else, and it will be the majority of people, will not fall into these categories. However, since a good percentage of them were deceived by Satan through fraud I suspect there will be a very large number that will be given a second chance.
God is merciful. He doesn't want any to perish and He is righteous. To me that means no one will go into the lake of fire unless they have absolutely, undeniably and beyond any reasonable doubt chosen that path.
EXACTLY!!
They are raised perishable. Just like Lazarus was. And they will DIE again, just like Lazarus did. Except their second death will be in the LOF when their bodies burn up, destroyed. Lazarus simply died again and his body returned to the grave, awaiting resurrection of a glorified body.
Remember the Jews were plotting to kill him again? If he was raised imperishable, wouldn't the context have made that clear?
They are raised perishable. Just like Lazarus was. And they will DIE again, just like Lazarus did. Except their second death will be in the LOF when their bodies burn up, destroyed. Lazarus simply died again and his body returned to the grave, awaiting resurrection of a glorified body.
Remember the Jews were plotting to kill him again? If he was raised imperishable, wouldn't the context have made that clear?
The difference between you and me is I have the benefit of having a conversation with God now. Glory to God. This is just a difference between the gifts we’ve been given. I hope you want it too.
I wouldn’t be here preaching unless I was given a directive from heaven to do it. That explains everything.
I wouldn’t be here preaching unless I was given a directive from heaven to do it. That explains everything.
FreeGrace2 said:
Where is this gift described in the Bible?
There could be another.
I didn't say I didn't. I haven't seen a gift listed in the Bible about 'speaking to God'.
Why didn't you just quote it if there is one? Why the hesitation?
Do you have one?
Where is this gift described in the Bible?
There could be another.
I didn't say I didn't. I haven't seen a gift listed in the Bible about 'speaking to God'.
Why didn't you just quote it if there is one? Why the hesitation?
Do you have one?
Runningman said:
The difference between you and me is I have the benefit of having a conversation with God now. Glory to God. This is just a difference between the gifts we’ve been given. I hope you want it too.
I wouldn’t be here preaching unless I was given a directive from heaven to do it. That explains everything.
No, he said he "talks to God", and mentioned a "gift". But he won't share the verse. I wonder why?
The difference between you and me is I have the benefit of having a conversation with God now. Glory to God. This is just a difference between the gifts we’ve been given. I hope you want it too.
I wouldn’t be here preaching unless I was given a directive from heaven to do it. That explains everything.
No, he said he "talks to God", and mentioned a "gift". But he won't share the verse. I wonder why?
FreeGrace2 said:
Now you're just stalling. OK, so you don't actually have a verse about your "gift". OK.
Well, you certainly do have a knack for stalling. All I asked for was a verse that describes your gift.
What have I gotten? 3 posts from you with NO verse quoted or cited. As I thought.
This is what you initially said:
The difference between you and me is I have the benefit of having a conversation with God now. Glory to God. This is just a difference between the gifts we’ve been given. I hope you want it too.
I wouldn’t be here preaching unless I was given a directive from heaven to do it. That explains everything.
Sounds like you've got something special. So special it isn't even in the Bible.
Well, good on you.
Now you're just stalling. OK, so you don't actually have a verse about your "gift". OK.
Well, you certainly do have a knack for stalling. All I asked for was a verse that describes your gift.
What have I gotten? 3 posts from you with NO verse quoted or cited. As I thought.
This is what you initially said:
The difference between you and me is I have the benefit of having a conversation with God now. Glory to God. This is just a difference between the gifts we’ve been given. I hope you want it too.
I wouldn’t be here preaching unless I was given a directive from heaven to do it. That explains everything.
Sounds like you've got something special. So special it isn't even in the Bible.
Well, good on you.
