And the SMOKE of their torment...No eternal damnation for anyone, except the Devil
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If you want to quote Jesus, then be accurate. He said they will have eternal life. Not just 'live forever'. You are twisting EVEN what Jesus said.
No such verses. There will be eternal death in the LOF. Experienced, for sure. No one claims there will be LIFE in the LOF.
Separation from God is spiritual death. Got it?
No such verses. There will be eternal death in the LOF. Experienced, for sure. No one claims there will be LIFE in the LOF.
Separation from God is spiritual death. Got it?
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in the world it may have death punishment but not eternal punishment
how human judge convict eternal punishment, human can’t punish soul
but God can because soul never die
definition of punishment
the infliction or imposition of a penalty as retribution for an offense.
infliction is to make people pain
so eternal punishment is coursing pain forever
is soul die than eternal punishment is impossible
how human judge convict eternal punishment, human can’t punish soul
but God can because soul never die
definition of punishment
the infliction or imposition of a penalty as retribution for an offense.
infliction is to make people pain
so eternal punishment is coursing pain forever
is soul die than eternal punishment is impossible
If a soul is a body then you have Jesus saying “can destroy both body and body in hell.” That’s nonsense and your attempt to twist words in order to shoehorn your eternal torment doctrine into the Bible has failed.
It’s clear that if the soul can die or be destroyed, which it can, then that’s definitely the weakest link in your whole argument and proves eternal torment is false.
It’s clear that if the soul can die or be destroyed, which it can, then that’s definitely the weakest link in your whole argument and proves eternal torment is false.
I am Able to do doesn’t mean I will do
I am able to help the hungry doesn’t mean I will help the hungry
i am able to help , may because I have the money
but because I am greedy I am not use my ability
God able to kill the soul do not mean God kill the soul
the verse say
28And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
able to kill
not will to kill
I am able to help the hungry doesn’t mean I will help the hungry
i am able to help , may because I have the money
but because I am greedy I am not use my ability
God able to kill the soul do not mean God kill the soul
the verse say
28And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
able to kill
not will to kill
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In spite of all the help I've given you in understanding both the Hebrew and Greek words translated "soul", you still aren't paying attention. I NEVER said "a soul is a body". I showed from lexicons the usage of the word, which INCLUDES "person", and "individual".
I've already agreed that God CAN kill the soul. But when the Bible speaks of "death of soul" it means death of the person.
In fact, Ezek 18:4 proves it refers to capital punishment, per the context.
1 The word of the LORD came to me:
2 “What do you people mean by quoting this proverb about the land of Israel: “ ‘The parents eat sour grapes, and the children’s teeth are set on edge’?
3 “As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, you will no longer quote this proverb in Israel.
4 For everyone belongs to me, the parent as well as the child—both alike belong to me. The one who sins is the one who will die.
I've already agreed that God CAN kill the soul. But when the Bible speaks of "death of soul" it means death of the person.
In fact, Ezek 18:4 proves it refers to capital punishment, per the context.
1 The word of the LORD came to me:
2 “What do you people mean by quoting this proverb about the land of Israel: “ ‘The parents eat sour grapes, and the children’s teeth are set on edge’?
3 “As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, you will no longer quote this proverb in Israel.
4 For everyone belongs to me, the parent as well as the child—both alike belong to me. The one who sins is the one who will die.
Matt 25:46 says "eternal punishment". You have no evidence that non-entities can be punished.
You still haven't explained how someone who no longer exists can experience punishment. Or how punishment doesn't have to have an experience.
Your view is very close to the atheists' view. They are hoping for nothingness when they die.
You still haven't explained how someone who no longer exists can experience punishment. Or how punishment doesn't have to have an experience.
Your view is very close to the atheists' view. They are hoping for nothingness when they die.
I didn’t claim non-entities can be punished.
I never said this either. I said they are put to death. after death they aren’t experiencing anything. The eternal punishment is death.
That’s ironic since you’re the one who holds a non-Christian view on the fate of the unsaved.
Atheists are partially correct, but they don’t know they’ll be resurrected, judged, then die again. According to the Bible, atheists fall into the unsaved category and they’ll be destroyed for eternity.
2 Thessalonians 1:8,9
8In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
I never said this either. I said they are put to death. after death they aren’t experiencing anything. The eternal punishment is death.
That’s ironic since you’re the one who holds a non-Christian view on the fate of the unsaved.
Atheists are partially correct, but they don’t know they’ll be resurrected, judged, then die again. According to the Bible, atheists fall into the unsaved category and they’ll be destroyed for eternity.
2 Thessalonians 1:8,9
8In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
Butter wouldn't melt. 
"Trying to turn the church upside down" was me using hyperbole for the purpose of driving the point home.
And STILL you don't get it. Your first post in this thread was an accusation of the whole church from it's beginning
with a false claim that Jesus' teaching on eternal punishment was a later interpolation.
Here again. I don't accept your revision of church history, nor of sound doctrine.
"Trying to turn the church upside down" was me using hyperbole for the purpose of driving the point home.
And STILL you don't get it. Your first post in this thread was an accusation of the whole church from it's beginning
with a false claim that Jesus' teaching on eternal punishment was a later interpolation.
Here again. I don't accept your revision of church history, nor of sound doctrine.