Angels can procreate

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Pilgrimshope

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There already were giants (big men) on the earth beforehand so the copulation didn't create the giants anyway.

Gen 6:4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterwards, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them.
If you look closely it’s saying the “giants we’re the men of great renown and accomplishment

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

So it seems almost like the term giants is a rhetorical statement because it’s telling us the giants were mighty men of renown( well known famous men men of giant repute )

So are we being told of giants literally ? Or are we being told about mighty men of giant renown on those days who lives remember close to a thousand year lifespans

And also are we talking about 9 foot giants like Goliath ? Or 450 foot giants that are everything in earth like the book of enoch states ?

to me the scriptire is telling us of rhetorical giants of the earth on the early days mighty men or giant renown and fame and accomplishment just a thought
 

Cameron143

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I've already tried asking him this about 3 different times.

He just goes back to his default answers and never addresses these questions.

He seems to think that as long as you have the parts, it will be ok to use them, and apparently even with angels.
Sorry for not giving proper accreditation. Everyone...listen to seoulsearch, she is wise.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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Jesus said there is no marriage in heaven. You don't need to be married to have sex.
Jesus said;

Matt 22:30 "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven." (KJV)
"At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. (NIV)

Sex will probably be a thing of the past. You may not even have the parts for it. Deal with it. Sex isn't everything.
You might not even remember what it was. :cool:
 

JohnB

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I'm sure for some of you there will be a Eunuchs club in Heaven for you to join.
 

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aid say it’s a physical pattern of good believing god fearing people like abel driven by the spiritual life within

And non believing wicked and rebellious people driven by lusts of the flesh

I believe that the gospel is how Gods people are found in the world physical flesh and blood was what the ot is based on but the New Testament is a new beginning for Gods people they aren’t from any specific bloodline but only from adams bloodline

you know how the New Testament says you have to be born again to enter the kingdom ?

Gods sons now from any nationality or race of man are born because of this alone

“He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:10-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And a bit more detail is here


“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. ( you’ve put on the son ) And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:26-27, 29‬ ‭


remember earlier regarding Abraham’s seed

“For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’d say that chrortoans should look for believers in Jesus this would be the nt equivalent of being born of Seth’s line in the ot remember that through Seth’s line is when they began to call on the name of the lord

“And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭4:26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And remember what makes Gods sons now ?

“as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name”

the same thing made them the sons of God then they called upon the name of the lord in thier worship like those after the flood couldn’t do until Jesus was revealed

belief in Jesus is what matters regarding who is Gods people so we want in my own opinion to seek out believers and those willing to believe the gospel that’s written in the Bible just my two cents though wouldnt be change for a dollar or anything

The quote from me(my post) was because of the way you explained the line of Seth(sons of God) and Cain(family outcast) in post #116 ...

Noah and his sons and their wives, eight people were those whom the world was re-populated after the flood how is Cain involved in what your now saying?
 

seoulsearch

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Sorry for not giving proper accreditation. Everyone...listen to seoulsearch, she is wise.
LOL.

Oh no no no, it should be more like a Disclaimer:

Proceed With Caution, And Listen AT YOUR OWN RISK. :LOL::cool::geek:


I'm not worried about some sort of credit, I was just hoping to spare you from hopping on the same useless merry-go-round I was dumb enough to fall for. :D
 

Cameron143

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LOL.

Oh no no no, it should be more like a Disclaimer:

Proceed With Caution, And Listen AT YOUR OWN RISK. :LOL::cool::geek:


I'm not worried about some sort of credit, I was just hoping to spare you from hopping on the same useless merry-go-round I was dumb enough to fall for. :D
I'm just glad to see I'm having a positive effect on you. You post lengths have begun to dwindle in size.
 

Nehemiah6

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Nowhere does it say the line of Seth was holy.
That's right. This myth has been promoted for a very long time, but has no basis in Scripture. Salvation is an individual matter, and is not related to physical inheritance through a bloodline. Now it is entirely possible that all of Seth's descendants were righteous, but the Bible does not say so. In any event it has nothing to do with evil angels having relations with human women. That is an entirely different matter, and Scripture clearly confirms this by calling them "the angels which kept not their first estate" and "the angels that sinned".
 

seoulsearch

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I'm just glad to see I'm having a positive effect on you. You post lengths have begun to dwindle in size.
Lol.

If you went back through my posts from 2009 to now, I assure you that you'd find a wide variety.

Though even I have to admit, brevity is a weapon I use in scarcity. :ROFL:

But only when it comes to writing.

EVERY person I've met on this site in real life (about 25 people over the years) has made the comment that I "barely talk" in person -- unless I'm really on a roll about something. :whistle::unsure::geek:

What can I say?

For my own self, the pen (keyboard) is mightier than being a (real-life) chatterbox.
 

Pilgrimshope

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^ There is your answer, John...
Amen they were physically attractive “ they saw they were fair “ like many lustful things are attractive to the flesh and like Satan appears as an angel of light of temptation wasn’t attractive to the flesh part of man it wouldn’t be tempting to man

Id say they were attractive in appearance or at least the sons thought they were and the spiritual part was what wasn’t fit for marriage with a son of God because of the rebellion within then like cain thier father had

To marry for outward beauty or quality of character is the difference sometimes outer beautiful is deadly and serves to corrupt the character but inner beauty never disappoints and always adds to the character of the other
 

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The quote from me(my post) was because of the way you explained the line of Seth(sons of God) and Cain(family outcast) in post #116 ...

Noah and his sons and their wives, eight people were those whom the world was re-populated after the flood how is Cain involved in what you’re now saying?
well the line of Noah began with Adam and is Seth’s line , what I’m saying is cain was removed , blotted out of Gods people here but went and created his own people what I’m meaning to say about cain is that he was removed from Gods people here because he rebelled and killed cain after Hod told him he needed to do good and not evil to be accepted

“And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.

( cains world changes here he’s an outcast from Gods people )

And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand; when thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.


…... And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch. And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech……
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭4:10-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

After this Seth replaces abel but cain is removed from the geneology of Gods people in scripture notice why I quoted this part it’s after cain kills abel and is exiled

“And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭4:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

So my point about cain is he’s removed but is still in the earth having many children who aren’t Gods people cain represents all of the non believers in tbe world who are t going to be included , Seth’s line the Children of God represents Christian’s born anew in Christ back into Gods line of people ( the sons “ the children “ both male and female of God, like Seth’s line in the beginning

Cain is not mentioned after that point in the geneology like he’s blotted out of the geneology but is also still pro creating people who don’t know God and don’t belong to Gods group on earth

“This is the book of the generation of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth: and the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters: and all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died. And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos: and Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters: and all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭5:1-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬


See before the flood you have already a wicked line of people established in the ot pattern in cain and his children and you have Gods line of people Seth’s line who replaced abel the accepted son of Adam for Gods line of people according to the flesh in the ot

later you have Noah and his three sons but remember Noah , is a son of Adam and descendant of seth so that same line is preserved through the flood , and also it Carrie’s to Abraham who was Noah’s descendant and Seth’s descendant. And adams descendant who was the son of God in the beginning

After all this is established in thefirst five chapters this appears

“There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

at here are already two lines of humans one that belonged to God and called on his name ( the sons of God ) and the children of cain the exiled and castaway murderer and the two lines had intermingled causing a catastrophe of evil influence through Gods line of people in those days and resulted in this

“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:5-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

see adams son Seth , who’s descendant Noah is preserved through Noah and his sons so it’s still the same line from Adam To Seth ( cain is totally removed from the geneology )

So adam , Seth , Noah , Shem , abraham , David , Jesus …..

cain represents rebellion , just like Noah son ham rebelled and was cursed and his line yet shems line which leads to Abrahams blessing , and japeths line who represents gentiles included with shems line in the blessing so you have the world divided into thirds from Noah’s sons . one line like cains line represents a line of wickedness and rebellion and curses

Cain , Ham , the Canaanite’s , Egypt , Babylon , Persia Greece Rome ect those nations that rejected the true God but also conquered the world at times are represented by cains line in the beginning is all I’m saying about cain his actual line was cut out of gods people and perished in the floods

the concept is carried on in shem Japheth and hams line of people that are rejected becaue they reject God