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Hello friends,

It appears we have a dozen Scripturally-grounded reasons which jointly confirm that animal sacrifices will (in the future) be resumed in conjunction with the full restoration of Priestly/Levitical duties. And, we will participate in these activities as fellow Israelite participants in the covenants between God and Israel. Most of us Christians are unaware of our future destiny in Israel; I hope this thread begins (in at least some small way) the process of correcting this unfortunate circumstance.

1. A. Dt. 30:1-8 is not yet fulfilled.
B. Dt. 30:1-8 guarantees the restoration of priestly/Levitical/sacrificial Torah-obedience.
C. Priestly/Levitical/sacrificial Torah-obedience will occur in the future.

2. A. Eze. 40-47 is not yet fulfilled.
B. Eze. 40-47 guarantees the restoration of priestly/Levitical/sacrificial activity.
C. Priestly/Levitical/sacrificial activity will occur in the future.

3. A. Jer. 33:20-22 is not yet fulfilled.
B. Jer. 33:20-22 guarantees the restoration of priestly/Levitical/sacrificial Torah-obedience.
C. Priestly/Levitical/sacrificial Torah-obedience will occur in the future.

4. A. Zec. 14 guarantees future GLOBAL participation in the sacrifice-laden feast of Sukkot (with punishment upon the nations who do not participate).
B. Therefore, global participation in sacrifice-laden feasts will occur in the future, and it will be required, and it will be good to obey, and it will be bad to disobey.

5. A. Mal. 3:1-4 guarantees that the Messiah will RESTORE the covenant with Levi, complete with sacrifices to be offered again in the future.
B. We should not oppose what the Messiah will come to restore in the forthcoming kingdom rule.

6. A. Is. 66 guarantees future restoration of Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activities associated with new moon and Sabbath observance.
B. We should not oppose what Isaiah guarantees will occur in the future.

7.A. The Old Covenant is READY (Gr. "engoos", Heb. 8:13) to disappear.
B. That which is ready to disappear has NOT yet disappeared (from the meaning of "engoos").
C. The Old Covenant was still in force (as of the New-Covenant-era time of the writing of Hebrews) (from B).
D. The inauguration of the New Covenant does NOT entail termination of the Old Covenant (from C).
E. Old Covenant Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activities are good and proper to persist into the New Covenant era (from D).

8. A. Many New-Covenant-era priests were disciples of the Messiah (Ac. 6:7).
B. Priests perform sacrificial/priestly/Levitical duties.
C. Priestly sacrificial/Levitical duties are acceptable in the New-Covenant-era (from A and B).

9. A. Thousands of first-century disciples were zealous for Torah (Ac. 21:20).
B. Torah-obedience requires sacrificial/priestly/Levitical duties (when performed properly).
C. Thousands of first-century disciples were zealous for Torah-obedient sacrificial/priestly/Levitical activity.
D. These disciples encouraged Paul (and Paul agreed!) to condone a vow (evidently the sacrifice-laden Nazirite vow) for the purpose of publicly affirming that Paul likewise walked orderly according to the Torah.
E. Sacrifices are, thus, affirmed as a valid ongoing New-Covenant-era practice.


10. A. Sabbath Torah is (present tense!) a shadow of the substance in Christ (Col. 2:16-17).
B. Col. 2 was written after the inauguration of the New-Covenant era.
C. Col. 2 is, thus, evidence that Sabbath Torah (which, of course, includes associated sacrificial activity when properly performed) is an ONGOING FUNCTIONING SHADOW which CONTINUES to point to the substance in Christ.

11. A. Christians are included as fellow Israelites who partake in the Torah-laden covenants between YHVH and Israel (Eph. 2).
B. The covenants (Abrahamic, Mosaic, Davidic, and New) are all still in force, and we Christians partake in these covenants (plural! Eph. 2:12).
C. The covenants entail Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activity when properly performed.
D. Thus, we Christians should condone the proper restoration and participation in the Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activities associated with the Torah-laden covenants in which we participate.

12. A. Israelites will again participate in Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activity when they return from ALL the countries to which they have been scattered (Eze. 20:30-44).
B. This return has not yet occurred.
C. Animal sacrifices will occur in the future (from A and B).
D. We Christians are included as fellow Israelite participants in the covenants between YHVH and Israel (e.g., Jer. 31).
E. Thus, we are Israelites who will participate in the restoration of animal sacrifices in the future.



CONCLUSION: We appear to have a dozen (I could list many more!) Scripturally-grounded lines of reasoning which jointly confirm that Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activity is good and proper and forthcoming.

Yes, sin offerings point to the Lamb of God (Jesus) who is the ultimate sin-offering on our behalf. But this is no excuse to terminate the ONGOING SHADOW FUNCTION authorized by Scripture, affirmed by Scripture, and guaranteed (in Scripture) to properly occur in the future, just as it also properly occurred even AFTER the inauguration of the New Covenant in the first century.

Then again, maybe I'm wrong on all 12 arguments. I'm open to correction from any better-justified viewpoint.

If you agree with my 12 arguments, please let me know, because that would be encouraging to me.

If you disagree, please help me understand:
1. Which specific premise(s) in my 12 arguments do you reject (and why)?
2. Which Scriptural passage do you believe disconfirms my position (and why)?

Let's study and learn together, growing in love and grace and knowledge in our Lord Jesus Christ.

blessings to you all...


 

Locutus

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Not gonna happen - your theology is wrong.
 

MichaelOwen

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Hello friends,

It appears we have a dozen Scripturally-grounded reasons which jointly confirm that animal sacrifices will (in the future) be resumed in conjunction with the full restoration of Priestly/Levitical duties. And, we will participate in these activities as fellow Israelite participants in the covenants between God and Israel. Most of us Christians are unaware of our future destiny in Israel; I hope this thread begins (in at least some small way) the process of correcting this unfortunate circumstance.

1. A. Dt. 30:1-8 is not yet fulfilled.
B. Dt. 30:1-8 guarantees the restoration of priestly/Levitical/sacrificial Torah-obedience.
C. Priestly/Levitical/sacrificial Torah-obedience will occur in the future.

2. A. Eze. 40-47 is not yet fulfilled.
B. Eze. 40-47 guarantees the restoration of priestly/Levitical/sacrificial activity.
C. Priestly/Levitical/sacrificial activity will occur in the future.

3. A. Jer. 33:20-22 is not yet fulfilled.
B. Jer. 33:20-22 guarantees the restoration of priestly/Levitical/sacrificial Torah-obedience.
C. Priestly/Levitical/sacrificial Torah-obedience will occur in the future.

4. A. Zec. 14 guarantees future GLOBAL participation in the sacrifice-laden feast of Sukkot (with punishment upon the nations who do not participate).
B. Therefore, global participation in sacrifice-laden feasts will occur in the future, and it will be required, and it will be good to obey, and it will be bad to disobey.

5. A. Mal. 3:1-4 guarantees that the Messiah will RESTORE the covenant with Levi, complete with sacrifices to be offered again in the future.
B. We should not oppose what the Messiah will come to restore in the forthcoming kingdom rule.

6. A. Is. 66 guarantees future restoration of Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activities associated with new moon and Sabbath observance.
B. We should not oppose what Isaiah guarantees will occur in the future.

7.A. The Old Covenant is READY (Gr. "engoos", Heb. 8:13) to disappear.
B. That which is ready to disappear has NOT yet disappeared (from the meaning of "engoos").
C. The Old Covenant was still in force (as of the New-Covenant-era time of the writing of Hebrews) (from B).
D. The inauguration of the New Covenant does NOT entail termination of the Old Covenant (from C).
E. Old Covenant Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activities are good and proper to persist into the New Covenant era (from D).

8. A. Many New-Covenant-era priests were disciples of the Messiah (Ac. 6:7).
B. Priests perform sacrificial/priestly/Levitical duties.
C. Priestly sacrificial/Levitical duties are acceptable in the New-Covenant-era (from A and B).

9. A. Thousands of first-century disciples were zealous for Torah (Ac. 21:20).
B. Torah-obedience requires sacrificial/priestly/Levitical duties (when performed properly).
C. Thousands of first-century disciples were zealous for Torah-obedient sacrificial/priestly/Levitical activity.
D. These disciples encouraged Paul (and Paul agreed!) to condone a vow (evidently the sacrifice-laden Nazirite vow) for the purpose of publicly affirming that Paul likewise walked orderly according to the Torah.
E. Sacrifices are, thus, affirmed as a valid ongoing New-Covenant-era practice.


10. A. Sabbath Torah is (present tense!) a shadow of the substance in Christ (Col. 2:16-17).
B. Col. 2 was written after the inauguration of the New-Covenant era.
C. Col. 2 is, thus, evidence that Sabbath Torah (which, of course, includes associated sacrificial activity when properly performed) is an ONGOING FUNCTIONING SHADOW which CONTINUES to point to the substance in Christ.

11. A. Christians are included as fellow Israelites who partake in the Torah-laden covenants between YHVH and Israel (Eph. 2).
B. The covenants (Abrahamic, Mosaic, Davidic, and New) are all still in force, and we Christians partake in these covenants (plural! Eph. 2:12).
C. The covenants entail Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activity when properly performed.
D. Thus, we Christians should condone the proper restoration and participation in the Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activities associated with the Torah-laden covenants in which we participate.

12. A. Israelites will again participate in Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activity when they return from ALL the countries to which they have been scattered (Eze. 20:30-44).
B. This return has not yet occurred.
C. Animal sacrifices will occur in the future (from A and B).
D. We Christians are included as fellow Israelite participants in the covenants between YHVH and Israel (e.g., Jer. 31).
E. Thus, we are Israelites who will participate in the restoration of animal sacrifices in the future.



CONCLUSION: We appear to have a dozen (I could list many more!) Scripturally-grounded lines of reasoning which jointly confirm that Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activity is good and proper and forthcoming.

Yes, sin offerings point to the Lamb of God (Jesus) who is the ultimate sin-offering on our behalf. But this is no excuse to terminate the ONGOING SHADOW FUNCTION authorized by Scripture, affirmed by Scripture, and guaranteed (in Scripture) to properly occur in the future, just as it also properly occurred even AFTER the inauguration of the New Covenant in the first century.

Then again, maybe I'm wrong on all 12 arguments. I'm open to correction from any better-justified viewpoint.

If you agree with my 12 arguments, please let me know, because that would be encouraging to me.

If you disagree, please help me understand:
1. Which specific premise(s) in my 12 arguments do you reject (and why)?
2. Which Scriptural passage do you believe disconfirms my position (and why)?

Let's study and learn together, growing in love and grace and knowledge in our Lord Jesus Christ.

blessings to you all...



Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice.....there is no more of a need now for animal sacrifices to cover our sin, we have an advocate with the Father, and that's Christ.
 

notuptome

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Zech 14:16 ¶ And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD’S house shall be like the bowls before the altar.
21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

In the Millennial Kingdom animal sacrifice may serve to remind men that sin produces death.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

Locutus

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Feb 10, 2017
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In the Millennial Kingdom animal sacrifice may serve to remind men that sin produces death.
You need to ditch this dispensational deception you keep hanging on to.
 

Ezekiel8

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Animal sacrifice still happens actually.
 

notuptome

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Not gonna happen - your theology is wrong.
You need to ditch this dispensational deception you keep hanging on to.
You answered your own post.

Not gonna happen. Dispensational truth is a certain as the passage of time.

Your theology is wrong. Indeed Preterism is purely wacko.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
May 19, 2016
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Not gonna happen - your theology is wrong.
Hello Locutus,

Nice to meet you.

If I'm wrong, please explain why.

After all, I cited a dozen reasons supporting my position.

You gave us ZERO evidence to doubt those reasons.

So, if you have time, please justify your viewpoint....

But if you're too busy, I get it! It takes a lot of time....but maybe we could learn better from each other if you do that.

Thank you...
 

Locutus

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Feb 10, 2017
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Hello friends,

It appears we have a dozen Scripturally-grounded reasons which jointly confirm that animal sacrifices will (in the future) be resumed in conjunction with the full restoration of Priestly/Levitical duties. And, we will participate in these activities as fellow Israelite participants in the covenants between God and Israel. Most of us Christians are unaware of our future destiny in Israel; I hope this thread begins (in at least some small way) the process of correcting this unfortunate circumstance.

1. A. Dt. 30:1-8 is not yet fulfilled.
B. Dt. 30:1-8 guarantees the restoration of priestly/Levitical/sacrificial Torah-obedience.
C. Priestly/Levitical/sacrificial Torah-obedience will occur in the future.

2. A. Eze. 40-47 is not yet fulfilled.
B. Eze. 40-47 guarantees the restoration of priestly/Levitical/sacrificial activity.
C. Priestly/Levitical/sacrificial activity will occur in the future.

3. A. Jer. 33:20-22 is not yet fulfilled.
B. Jer. 33:20-22 guarantees the restoration of priestly/Levitical/sacrificial Torah-obedience.
C. Priestly/Levitical/sacrificial Torah-obedience will occur in the future.

4. A. Zec. 14 guarantees future GLOBAL participation in the sacrifice-laden feast of Sukkot (with punishment upon the nations who do not participate).
B. Therefore, global participation in sacrifice-laden feasts will occur in the future, and it will be required, and it will be good to obey, and it will be bad to disobey.

5. A. Mal. 3:1-4 guarantees that the Messiah will RESTORE the covenant with Levi, complete with sacrifices to be offered again in the future.
B. We should not oppose what the Messiah will come to restore in the forthcoming kingdom rule.

6. A. Is. 66 guarantees future restoration of Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activities associated with new moon and Sabbath observance.
B. We should not oppose what Isaiah guarantees will occur in the future.

7.A. The Old Covenant is READY (Gr. "engoos", Heb. 8:13) to disappear.
B. That which is ready to disappear has NOT yet disappeared (from the meaning of "engoos").
C. The Old Covenant was still in force (as of the New-Covenant-era time of the writing of Hebrews) (from B).
D. The inauguration of the New Covenant does NOT entail termination of the Old Covenant (from C).
E. Old Covenant Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activities are good and proper to persist into the New Covenant era (from D).

8. A. Many New-Covenant-era priests were disciples of the Messiah (Ac. 6:7).
B. Priests perform sacrificial/priestly/Levitical duties.
C. Priestly sacrificial/Levitical duties are acceptable in the New-Covenant-era (from A and B).

9. A. Thousands of first-century disciples were zealous for Torah (Ac. 21:20).
B. Torah-obedience requires sacrificial/priestly/Levitical duties (when performed properly).
C. Thousands of first-century disciples were zealous for Torah-obedient sacrificial/priestly/Levitical activity.
D. These disciples encouraged Paul (and Paul agreed!) to condone a vow (evidently the sacrifice-laden Nazirite vow) for the purpose of publicly affirming that Paul likewise walked orderly according to the Torah.
E. Sacrifices are, thus, affirmed as a valid ongoing New-Covenant-era practice.


10. A. Sabbath Torah is (present tense!) a shadow of the substance in Christ (Col. 2:16-17).
B. Col. 2 was written after the inauguration of the New-Covenant era.
C. Col. 2 is, thus, evidence that Sabbath Torah (which, of course, includes associated sacrificial activity when properly performed) is an ONGOING FUNCTIONING SHADOW which CONTINUES to point to the substance in Christ.

11. A. Christians are included as fellow Israelites who partake in the Torah-laden covenants between YHVH and Israel (Eph. 2).
B. The covenants (Abrahamic, Mosaic, Davidic, and New) are all still in force, and we Christians partake in these covenants (plural! Eph. 2:12).
C. The covenants entail Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activity when properly performed.
D. Thus, we Christians should condone the proper restoration and participation in the Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activities associated with the Torah-laden covenants in which we participate.

12. A. Israelites will again participate in Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activity when they return from ALL the countries to which they have been scattered (Eze. 20:30-44).
B. This return has not yet occurred.
C. Animal sacrifices will occur in the future (from A and B).
D. We Christians are included as fellow Israelite participants in the covenants between YHVH and Israel (e.g., Jer. 31).
E. Thus, we are Israelites who will participate in the restoration of animal sacrifices in the future.



CONCLUSION: We appear to have a dozen (I could list many more!) Scripturally-grounded lines of reasoning which jointly confirm that Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activity is good and proper and forthcoming.

Yes, sin offerings point to the Lamb of God (Jesus) who is the ultimate sin-offering on our behalf. But this is no excuse to terminate the ONGOING SHADOW FUNCTION authorized by Scripture, affirmed by Scripture, and guaranteed (in Scripture) to properly occur in the future, just as it also properly occurred even AFTER the inauguration of the New Covenant in the first century.

Then again, maybe I'm wrong on all 12 arguments. I'm open to correction from any better-justified viewpoint.

If you agree with my 12 arguments, please let me know, because that would be encouraging to me.

If you disagree, please help me understand:
1. Which specific premise(s) in my 12 arguments do you reject (and why)?
2. Which Scriptural passage do you believe disconfirms my position (and why)?

Let's study and learn together, growing in love and grace and knowledge in our Lord Jesus Christ.

blessings to you all...


Since you have no clue who Jesus is and what he did, exactly how do we "study and learn together, growing in love and grace and knowledge in our Lord Jesus Christ?"
 

Angela53510

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A Hebrew Roots person who forgot to read the New Testament! This is utter bunk! It means Jesus sacrifice was for not! I can’t believe you post a bunch of the ceremonial laws from the OT, and somehow conclude that animal sacrifices have to be made although Christ changed all that. We changed from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant.

So, just one chapter covers this, I’m posting it for you. However, I highly recommend you read the entire NT through, and see what it actually says. Here is a taste. The Church is the New Covenant, no special dispensation for the Jews, no land for the Jews, since they were taken away first for idolatry, and then for not recognizing the Messiah. And wherever you think Herod’s temple was, under the Dome of the Rock, or elsewhere it is NOT God’s plan to sacrifice animals. That is over and done with. The temple was razed, the geological records burned, Jesus is the Messiah, our High Priest and the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. He has made the ONLY sacrifice we need - on the cross! There is no need for sacrifices ever. I do not thing the OP could even be saved to write this. I hope he will stay around and read the posts and find Jesus, the “author and finisher of our faith,” as Hebrews 12:1-2 says!

For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities, it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered every year, make perfect those who draw near. 2 Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, since the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have any consciousness of sins? 3 But in these sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.[FONT=&quot]5 Consequently, when Christ came into the world, he said,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired,
but a body have you prepared for me;
6 in burnt offerings and sin offerings
you have taken no pleasure.

7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come to do your will, O God,
as it is written of me in the scroll of the book.’”
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[FONT=&quot]8 When he said above, “You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings” (these are offered according to the law), 9 then he added, “Behold, I have come to do your will.” He does away with the first in order to establish the second. 10 And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11 And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God,13 waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. 14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them
after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws on their hearts,
and write them on their minds,”
[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]17 then he adds,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]“I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]18 Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.[/FONT]
[h=3]The Full Assurance of Faith[/h][FONT=&quot]19 Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the holy places by the blood of Jesus, 20 by the new and living way that he opened for us through the curtain, that is, through his flesh, 21 and since we have a great priest over the house of God, 22 let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. 23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for he who promised is faithful. 24 And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, 25 not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.” Hebrews 10:1-35[/FONT]
 
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Uh, people kill animals now till this day, but I don't think the sacrifices, like they did in the back in the day uh mean anything anymore... They use to be used to pay for sin for a temporary amount of time.

Now that Jesus Christ was the final sacrifice to all sin, animal sacrifices are made null/moot because they can't cover sin anymore.


But Jesus Christ's blood shed covers the entire world's sin just by dying once one the cross, and it has been this way for the past 2018 years.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/163213-has-sin-been-paid-2.html

1 John 2: 2 He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours alone, but also for the sins of the whole world (everyone).

So Jesus Christ died on the cross... His Father was pleased, at one moment (atonement), because the price of sin had been paid for by His Son, and this only happened once, on the cross.

The price of sin has been paid for, for everyone.

Romans 5: 8 and God doth commend His own love to us, that, in our being still sinners, Christ did die for us;

Even while we were still sinners, Christ had already died for us.

1 Timothy 4:10 for for this we both labour and are reproached, because we hope on the living God, who is Saviour of all men -- especially of those believing.

Some people just have had yet believed on Him, and His Father, but as we know God is good. I believe that the Lord Jesus Christ, and God are even near, to the unbelievers just as well as the believers, because it rains on the good and bad.

God bless. :)
 
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A Hebrew Roots person who forgot to read the New Testament! This is utter bunk! It means Jesus sacrifice was for not! I can’t believe you post a bunch of the ceremonial laws from the OT, and somehow conclude that animal sacrifices have to be made although Christ changed all that. We changed from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant.

So, just one chapter covers this, I’m posting it for you. However, I highly recommend you read the entire NT through, and see what it actually says. Here is a taste. The Church is the New Covenant, no special dispensation for the Jews, no land for the Jews, since they were taken away first for idolatry, and then for not recognizing the Messiah. And wherever you think Herod’s temple was, under the Dome of the Rock, or elsewhere it is NOT God’s plan to sacrifice animals. That is over and done with. The temple was razed, the geological records burned, Jesus is the Messiah, our High Priest and the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. He has made the ONLY sacrifice we need - on the cross! There is no need for sacrifices ever. I do not thing the OP could even be saved to write this. I hope he will stay around and read the posts and find Jesus, the “author and finisher of our faith,” as Hebrews 12:1-2 says!

For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities, it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered every year, make perfect those who draw near. 2 Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, since the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have any consciousness of sins? 3 But in these sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.5 Consequently, when Christ came into the world, he said,
Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired,
but a body have you prepared for me;
6 in burnt offerings and sin offerings
you have taken no pleasure.

7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come to do your will, O God,
as it is written of me in the scroll of the book.’”


8 When he said above, “You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings” (these are offered according to the law), 9 then he added, “Behold, I have come to do your will.” He does away with the first in order to establish the second. 10 And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God,13 waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. 14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.
15 And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying,
16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them
after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws on their hearts,
and write them on their minds,”


17 then he adds,
“I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”

18 Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.
The Full Assurance of Faith

19 Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the holy places by the blood of Jesus, 20 by the new and living way that he opened for us through the curtain, that is, through his flesh, 21 and since we have a great priest over the house of God, 22 let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. 23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for he who promised is faithful. 24 And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, 25 not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.” Hebrews 10:1-35


I bet you were typing that all out before I first clicked this thread, and doing the research to quote this scripture, in at least half an hour. (Possibly longer.) Meanwhile, I come in and respond in a whopping 1-2 minutes.

 
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Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice.....there is no more of a need now for animal sacrifices to cover our sin, we have an advocate with the Father, and that's Christ.
Hello Michael Owen,

Nice to meet you.

I'm glad we agree with your comment.

But then, do you agree with my position or not?

After all, Jesus is the ultimate sacrifice for sins, but:

1. Paul condoned sacrificial activity even AFTER his conversion.
2. The prophets guarantee restoration of sacrificial activity.
3. Jesus condoned sacrificial activity.
4. Thousands of first-century disciples condoned sacrificial activity.
5. Many disciples were sacrifice-performing priests even AFTER the resurrection.

So, Scripture confirms that sacrifices properly PERSIST into the New-Covenant-era, even though Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice.

I think we maybe agree? or not?

I can't tell for sure...

anyway,
thanks for writing.
 
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Hello Michael Owen,

Nice to meet you.

I'm glad we agree with your comment.

But then, do you agree with my position or not?

After all, Jesus is the ultimate sacrifice for sins, but:

1. Paul condoned sacrificial activity even AFTER his conversion.
2. The prophets guarantee restoration of sacrificial activity.
3. Jesus condoned sacrificial activity.
4. Thousands of first-century disciples condoned sacrificial activity.
5. Many disciples were sacrifice-performing priests even AFTER the resurrection.

So, Scripture confirms that sacrifices properly PERSIST into the New-Covenant-era, even though Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice.

I think we maybe agree? or not?

I can't tell for sure...

anyway,
thanks for writing.

For me personally, and Spiritually, I haven't really studied up on the sacrifices after Christ had fulfilled His Fathers will, but for me, I know that under the old Law, a sacrifice had to be made to cover the sins of the tribe or people in the sight of the Lord, but with Christ coming and dying on the cross for ALL of my sins and the sin of the whole world, that is a sacrifice no animal can ever touch or cover, and that secures me. Maybe the sacrifices of the future will be reminders, I don't know, but for me, knowing Christ has my soul safe and secure is all that truly matters to me, I'm eternally grateful for that.
 
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Since you have no clue who Jesus is and what he did, exactly how do we "study and learn together, growing in love and grace and knowledge in our Lord Jesus Christ?"
Hello Lynn,

Yikes!

I think we're off to a bad start here...

I'm just trying to invite you to a friendly conversation.

If you disagree, then great! Share with me what you know, so I can learn from you.

But can we be a little more gentle to start?

Maybe something like: "Hello BibleGuy, I'd like to share with you my opinion, and the evidence which I believe supports it."

Instead, you charge in with "you have no clue..." and even if that's true, it's not very gentle.

If you really hope to help me learn from you, then try being a little more friendly....

I'm trying to be friendly to you too....

thank you....
 
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For me personally, and Spiritually, I haven't really studied up on the sacrifices after Christ had fulfilled His Fathers will, but for me, I know that under the old Law, a sacrifice had to be made to cover the sins of the tribe or people in the sight of the Lord, but with Christ coming and dying on the cross for ALL of my sins and the sin of the whole world, that is a sacrifice no animal can ever touch or cover, and that secures me. Maybe the sacrifices of the future will be reminders, I don't know, but for me, knowing Christ has my soul safe and secure is all that truly matters to me, I'm eternally grateful for that.
Very nice...thank you.
 

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I think we're off to a bad start here...
You are off to a bad start with all the premises in the opening post - for a start all the OT came to an end in the 1st century AD according to Hebrews:

Heb 8:13 When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.

Heb 9:1 Now even the first covenant had regulations of divine worship and the earthly sanctuary.

What you are trying to state is that those 1st covenant regulations that were made obsolete somehow become un-obsolete
 
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