Anti-Semitism?

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WHAT!!!?? Out of all the ridiculous posts I've seen, this one takes the cake. ALL the murder, rape, terrorism, done on a DAILY basis, in every corner of the earth, IS IN THE NAME OF THE MOON GOD ALLAH!!!
The difference is that most Christian's would never say that Allah is a true god. Many Christians would say that the one true God of Abraham,Issac and Jacob is behind all the doings of Israel. Huge difference.
 
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WHAT!!!?? Out of all the ridiculous posts I've seen, this one takes the cake. ALL the murder, rape, terrorism, done on a DAILY basis, in every corner of the earth, IS IN THE NAME OF THE MOON GOD ALLAH!!!
Your statement is ludicrous, and deluded. All the daily murder, rape and terrorism in every corner of the Earth is certainly not committed solely by professed Muslims. That's something I would consider a priori fact, but if you need proof;

10 of the Worst Terror Attacks by Extreme Christians and Far-Right White Men | Alternet

Christian terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

JaumeJ

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Notice to all: Get over the color of your skin and the color of another's, for if you cannot see beyond the color of skin, you are not seeing in the spirit, for we are all the same in the Eyes of our Father.

Your statement is ludicrous, and deluded. All the daily murder, rape and terrorism in every corner of the Earth is certainly not committed solely by professed Muslims. That's something I would consider a priori fact, but if you need proof;

10 of the Worst Terror Attacks by Extreme Christians and Far-Right White Men | Alternet

Christian terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Notice to all: Get over the color of your skin and the color of another's, for if you cannot see beyond the color of skin, you are not seeing in the spirit, for we are all the same in the Eyes of our Father.
That was kinda my point. PennEd is basically saying 'Muslims commit all the rapes and murders and terrorist acts', and I'm basically saying 'no they don't, look and see'.
 
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Is criticism of 'Israel' by definition anti-semitism?
Your thoughts please.
Here's the definition of "anti-semitism" from Webster's Dictionary:

Anti-semitism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

anti-Semitism
noun (Concise Encyclopedia)


Hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious group or “race.” Although the term anti-Semitism has wide currency, it is regarded by some as a misnomer, implying discrimination against all Semites, including Arabs and other peoples who are not the targets of anti-Semitism as it is usually understood. In antiquity, hostility to the Jews emerged because of religious differences, a situation worsened as a result of the competition with Christianity. By the 4th century, Christians tended to see Jews as an alien people whose repudiation of Christ had condemned them to perpetual migration. Jews were denied citizenship and its rights in much of Europe in the Middle Ages (though some societies were more tolerant) or were forced to wear distinctive clothing, and there were forced expulsions of Jews from several regions in that period. Developed during the Middle Ages were many of the stereotypes of Jews (e.g., the blood libel, alleged greed, conspiracy against humankind) that have persisted into the modern era. The Enlightenment and the French Revolution brought a new religious freedom to Europe in the 18th century but did not reduce anti-Semitism, because Jews continued to be regarded as outsiders. In the 19th century violent discrimination intensified (see pogrom), and so-called “scientific racism” emerged, which based hostility to the Jews on their supposed biological characteristics and replaced religion as the primary basis for anti-Semitism. In the 20th century the economic and political dislocations caused by World War I intensified anti-Semitism, and racist anti-Semitism flourished in Nazi Germany. Nazi persecution of the Jews led to the Holocaust, in which an estimated six million Jews were exterminated. Despite the defeat of the Nazis in World War II, anti-Semitism remained a problem in many parts of the world into the 21st century.
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didymos,

You are not simply "criticizing" Israel, you are outright and blatantly "blaming" Israel for the hostilities which are occurring in Gaza. Since Israel's population is 75-80% Jewish, I consider your actions (via your posts on this forum) hostile and discriminatory toward the Jewish people, not only in Israel, but all over the world. In addition, your hostility and discrimination towards this land of Israel and its Jewish citizens, extends to those who name the Name of Jesus Christ, who believe that Israel has the right to exist (Christian Zionists) and defend its citizens from terrorism, and support Israel with their prayers (Psalms 122:6).

Your OP is very shallow and does not really describe your anti-semitic actions (posts) on this forum. So, yes, you are very anti-semitic...and anti-Israel. I would also say that, IMO, your actions (posts) are un-Christlike and the very antithesis of what Biblical Christianity teaches.
 

JaumeJ

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Forgive me if I sounded as though I did not understand. Anyone accusing any one group of others in the same sinful human condition of being less or more than the rest is not seeing all in the Spirit. More barbarities have been perpetrated agains the oppressed of all this world in the name of the religions of the world, but never at the command of God. If peple obeyed God, if they know Him as their Father, they know He loves everyone without exception. Please do not look for places where it is written God hates certain people, for I am aware of those writings, theyi refer to people who have already chosen evil over good, having had time to have repented................

That was kinda my point. PennEd is basically saying 'Muslims commit all the rapes and murders and terrorist acts', and I'm basically saying 'no they don't, look and see'.
 
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Forgive me if I sounded as though I did not understand. Anyone accusing any one group of others in the same sinful human condition of being less or more than the rest is not seeing all in the Spirit. More barbarities have been perpetrated agains the oppressed of all this world in the name of the religions of the world, but never at the command of God. If peple obeyed God, if they know Him as their Father, they know He loves everyone without exception. Please do not look for places where it is written God hates certain people, for I am aware of those writings, theyi refer to people who have already chosen evil over good, having had time to have repented................
My fault. Thank you.
 

crossnote

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ACTS 2:44-45-46-47.

All that believed were together, and had all things common;

And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them
to all, as every man had need.

And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple,
and breaking bread from house to house, did eat meat
with gladness and singleness of heart,

Praising God, and having favor with all the people.
And The Lord added to the church daily
such as should be saved.

(this is God's Love, how sweet the taste!)

the HUGE stumbling-block in this world,
for all time, is, (one giving=up their possessions).

(((LUKE 18:22.)))
Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him,
Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast,
and distribute unto the poor,
and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow Me.
And shortly after they were begging the other Churches for assistance...

Romans 15:25-26 But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints.
For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.
 

Jackson123

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The difference is that most Christian's would never say that Allah is a true god. Many Christians would say that the one true God of Abraham,Issac and Jacob is behind all the doings of Israel. Huge difference.
Because Allah is not Abraham God. They said Allah is Abraham God, but is not. The bible said Abraham God is JHWEH
 

posthuman

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it'll reach it's fullness, and then it'll all get turned around.

In those days ten people from all languages and nations
will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say,
'Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you.'
(Zechariah 8:23)
 
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And shortly after they were begging the other Churches for assistance...

Romans 15:25-26 But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints.
For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.
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oldthennew

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And shortly after they were begging the other Churches for assistance...

Romans 15:25-26 But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints.
For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.
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AMEN!

and by their obedience, this gave Macedonia and Achaia the opportunity
to minister and fulfill the Commandment,
'it is better to give than to receive.'
and
'all things work together for those that love God'.

and whether we are poor or rich or somewhere in between -
we should minster unto others and be led of Christ,
no matter the cost
and
may we find contentment in whatever situation we are in,
for the glory of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.
 
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No, numbers are objective, while the list was subjective.
It was not dishonest.

Examples are selective by nature. If you have an issue with the ethics of such lists, then you have an issue with the ethics of using examples entirely.

The truth is that you simply wanted the poster to be wrong, and made up a reason for them to be wrong. You wanted their post to be dishonest, and labeled it as such.
It is human nature. Now you're mad because I called you out on it. I would be too. It's human nature.

Just so you know, post 28 was simply providing extra evidence for my 3rd point in post 27,
not making a new point.
sigh...we really need a 'facepalm' emoticon here...

the original list purported to be an accurate representation of american history since 1948...i pointed out numerous convenient omissions from the list in order to show that it was -not- an accurate representation of the historical period in question...and to present such an unrepresentative list of events as if they were an accurate representation of history is dishonest...

what i did was to refute a spurious argument with facts...and for some bizarre reason you object to this...

i am not 'mad' because of your meritless attempt at 'calling me out'...i am however appalled at your total failure to grasp the basics of intellectual honesty...
 
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sigh...we really need a 'facepalm' emoticon here...

the original list purported to be an accurate representation of american history since 1948...i pointed out numerous convenient omissions from the list in order to show that it was -not- an accurate representation of the historical period in question...and to present such an unrepresentative list of events as if they were an accurate representation of history is dishonest...

what i did was to refute a spurious argument with facts...and for some bizarre reason you object to this...

i am not 'mad' because of your meritless attempt at 'calling me out'...i am however appalled at your total failure to grasp the basics of intellectual honesty...
The list was about the decline of America. Examples of decline are not neglecting any and all progress, they are showing decline.

It was not meant to be a comprehensive historical account of the past 50 years. It had a theme.
If the list contradicted the theme, it would be an unthemed list.

You have used this same argument on several threads, and it is not a logical or ethical argument.

If you don't agree with the conclusion of a list, make a counterlist,
but don't call the first one dishonest. A dishonest list has lies in it.

I will admit that I was far too harsh when correcting you in the other post, and I hope I can reconcile with you.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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BTW, the reason I got into revealing the ad hominems is because this whole thread is about ad hominem.

In my 1st year logic textbook, the actual example for ad hominem was calling your debate opponent antisemitic.
Two other examples in the chapter were comparing a person to Hitler, and comparing a belief system to Communism or the Nazis.

Labeling someone as antisemitic is the textbook way to discredit an argument without debating it. Trying to discredit the debater rather than the argument is called ad hominem, and is faulty logic.

It is unproductive, unedifying, and unethical.
you completely fail to understand the nature of ad hominem fallacies...

the argument ad hominem is classified as a fallacy of relevance...in other words the argument is a fallacy because the character of the person making the claim is irrelevant to the question of the truth or falsity of the claim...it is not the assessment of the person's character that makes the argument a fallacy...it is the irrelevance of this assessment that makes the argument a fallacy...

so when the discussion at hand is specifically a debate about the character traits driving an act or opinion...such as the question 'is criticism of israel anti semitic?'...then an assessment of character is completely relevant and therefore not ad hominem...

and furthermore if a person's assertions can be shown to be directly derived from false premises...then the argument has been refuted... for example if an attempted mathematical proof can be shown to be dependent on a false mathematical assumption such as '2 + 2 = 5'...then the proof has been invalidated...regardless of how well reasoned the rest of the proof is...

likewise if anti zionism can be shown to be directly derived from anti semitic prejudice...the baselessness of which should be self evident...then anti zionism is discredited...
 

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Your statement is ludicrous, and deluded. All the daily murder, rape and terrorism in every corner of the Earth is certainly not committed solely by professed Muslims. That's something I would consider a priori fact, but if you need proof;

10 of the Worst Terror Attacks by Extreme Christians and Far-Right White Men | Alternet

Christian terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I feel like I need to take a shower after even addressing your hateful post. Most of your list going back 30 yrs, has to do with what you call "Drs" who make money by shredding children and then vacuuming them out and throwing them in a furnace. I don't concede ANY of that list Christian Terrorism, but the fact that you had to go back 30 yrs to come up with handful of attacks is instructive enough. You have proven to have no integrity, but I CHALLENGE you to read THIS list and then respond to your absurdity:
Islam: Making a True Difference in the World - One Body at a Time
 
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The difference is that most Christian's would never say that Allah is a true god. Many Christians would say that the one true God of Abraham,Issac and Jacob is behind all the doings of Israel. Huge difference.
This is what I say based upon my research....

Horus--->Bel--->Marduke--->Merodach--->Jupiter-->Zeus-->ALLAH.........................!
 
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I think the biggest problem is that most can not get a handle on is that one can be against Zionism and yet not be anti-Jewish. How can they explain how to deal with anti-Zionist Jews? Are they anti-semites because they are against Zionism?
Isn't that an oxymoron?
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the biggest problem is that most anti zionists don't realize that anti zionism is -by definition- an anti semitic prejudice...dozens of other ethnic groups have a secure and independent state in their ethnic homeland yet only in the case of the jews is the validity of their state questioned...this is pure discrimination by esteeming one ethnic group less than the others...

another problem is that a lot of christians aligned with the anti zionist camp assume that 'christian zionism' is the only type of zionism and that -all- forms of zionism must therefore be opposed on doctrinal grounds...this ignores the fact that most jewish zionists are not religious at all...and that a christian can be a zionist without holding to the dispensational doctrines of 'christian zionism'...

and yes there are anti semitic jews...in every ethnic group there is always a fringe that despises their own people...for example there is a russian activist who has stated that all russians should be destroyed...does the fact that he is russian protect him from charges of hatred against russians?
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Perhaps we can make this into a Bible discussion by posting Scriptures
actually that would be counterproductive since 'zionism versus antizionism' is not a biblical or doctrinal issue...although both extremes try to make it a doctrinal issue...