Antichrist has been revealed!

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he said the pope is the antichrist and that the people he baptized are going to Hell.

thus the nature of the discussion about salvation.

it is kind of out there (i kind had to chuckle when you pointed it out)

but it is very serious for all the catholics in the world

if he can prove his points, which I'm still waiting for.
He can't. His "proofs" have been disproven by Scripture in this thread numerous times. He just tends to ignore them.
 
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Graybeard: Calm your farm bro, and anti also means 'counterfeit' so in that way theyll be like Christ... just saying.
now where did you pluck that from....lol
 
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I dont know, i heard it somewhere..
 
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Moshelijah

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have you ever heard of the baptism of the HOLY Spirit? what kind of baptism do you think John wants from Jesus?

Matthew 3:13-15 (New King James Version)
13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to John at the Jordan to be baptized by him. 14 And John tried to prevent Him, saying, “I need to be baptized by You, and are You coming to me?”
15 But Jesus answered and said to him, “Permit it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he allowed Him.

We are not righteous through baptism, we obtain it through the saving grace of Christ having died on the cross for our sins.

You have elevated water baptism to being necessary for salvation and that is not what Jesus teaches, that is not what the Bible teaches. Salvation is through faith that Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior. You add man made laws and requirements to the Lord's doctrine of salvation.

Colossians 2
6 As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, 7 rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving.
8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.



AnandaHya, is circumcision an everlasting covenant?
 
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he said the pope is the antichrist and that the people he baptized are going to Hell.

thus the nature of the discussion about salvation.

it is kind of out there (i kind had to chuckle when you pointed it out)

but it is very serious for all the catholics in the world

if he can prove his points, which I'm still waiting for.
REMEMBER ANTIChrist means IN THE PLACE OFChrist or SUBSTITUTEChrist.

Word Origin & History

anti-
L. anti- from Gk. anti "against, opposite, instead of," from PIE *anti (see ante).

Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2010 Douglas Harper

Look these up:

"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth."
Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, "Cities Petrus Bertanous"

"We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty"
Pope Leo XIII Encyclical Letter of June 20, 1894

"The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, he is Jesus Christ himself,
hidden under the veil of flesh."
Catholic National, July 1895

As for the baptisms:

The reason catholics (and protestant and orthodox and ALL churches) are not saved is due to the LACK of a baptism by immersion. (the way Jesus was baptised)

If you believe baptism is "optional" read this:

1 Peter 3:19-21 through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water,and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

...what am I supposed to think!
 
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Only the papacy hold the title PONT.MAX which equals 666.
Only the papacy sit on seven hills.
Only the papacy forces an X (or cross) on your forehead.
Only the papacy force an X (or cross) on your right hand.
Only the papacy force an X (or cross) to worship.
Only the papacy have claimed to be Christ on Earth (veiled in flesh).

Watch this video if you want to SEE! YouTube - ‪The Last Revelation‬‏
 

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Only the papacy hold the title PONT.MAX which equals 666.
666 (number) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Solomon
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Only the papacy sit on seven hills.


Seven Heads And Ten Horns

Only the papacy forces an X (or cross) on your forehead.
Only the papacy force an X (or cross) on your right hand.
Only the papacy force an X (or cross) to worship.
the mark hasn't happened yet.
it will be both commercial and tied to worship or loyalty.

Only the papacy have claimed to be Christ on Earth (veiled in flesh).
where does it say the son of perdition will claim to be Jesus?

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A. Moshiach is the phrase “Messiah” comes from—it’s a Hebrew word meaning “the anointed one.” Moshiach is the number-one belief in Judaism, next to Torah and G-d Himself. It is Belief #12 of Maimonides’ Thirteen Principles of Faith.​

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Introduction to the Noahide Laws

Written by Chaim Clorfene and Yakov Rogalsky
Posted in eBook - The Path of the Righteous Gentile

This eBook summarizes the Jewish teachings on this subject to inform and guide the Gentiles, or descendants of Noah. Jewish readers will also be interested in learning about this little‑known area of Jewish study.

The doctrine of the Seven Noahide Commandments brings the Jewish idea of unity to the world. In fact, the very idea of unity in religion originated with Judaism. Whoever has this concept other than the Jews, got it from the Jews.[1] And when we speak of unity, we mean both the unity of God and the unity of mankind. The unity of God means monotheism, and the unity of mankind means a world in which all people come to God in peace and harmony.

All the religions of the world, other than Judaism, approach the idea of unity with the precept, "Believe as we believe, and the world will be one." This approach has never worked. Judaism approaches unity from an entirely different perspective. It teaches that there are two paths, not just one.[2] One path is yours. The other one is mine. You travel yours and I will travel mine, and herein will be found true unity: the one God is found on both paths because the one God gave us both. The Noahide laws define the path that God gave to the non‑Jewish peoples of the world.[3]


The Seven Noahide Commandments comprise the most ancient of all religious doctrines, for they were given to Adam, the First Man, on the day of his creation.[4] Wondrously, the Seven Noahide Commandments remain the newest and most uncharted of all religious doctrines. Humanity has managed to keep them new by ignoring them throughout history. But now, in these latter days when the footsteps of the Messiah can be heard by all who will listen closely, the Seven Noahide Com­mandments must finally be studied and observed by all the people of all the nations.

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666 (number) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Solomon
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you forgot these zone:

List of cities claimed to be built on seven hills

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City of Seven Hills usually refers to Rome. There are 51 cities on this list. There are many other cities claimed to be built on seven hills or fewer than seven.
 
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AnandaHya, is circumcision an everlasting covenant?
circumcision of the heart through obedience and submission to the indwelling Holy Spirit is an everlasting covenant with GOD.

Just as Jesus baptizes with the Holy Spirit (fire) and a water baptism can be done in a rainstorm by GOD if He so choses to save that person. the pope and any other man will not be able to stop GOD from saving whom He choses.

God's power is not in man made and held religious rituals and can not be stopped or hindered by them. Salvation is faith in JESUS not in any cross or baptismal symbol invented or carried out by MEN.


Matthew 3:10-12 (New King James Version)

10 And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.[a] 12 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”
 
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LOL @ dunedin being the 'city on seven hills' HAHAHA
 
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they do have a point though, many cities infact sit on seven hills, and it is just as likely to be jerusalem as it is to be rome... I still cant get around the fact that the papacy is an institution and I believe the antichrist will be a single human male most likely in his thirties and quite possibly of jewish descent.
 
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circumcision of the heart through obedience and submission to the indwelling Holy Spirit is an everlasting covenant with GOD.

Just as Jesus baptizes with the Holy Spirit (fire) and a water baptism can be done in a rainstorm by GOD if He so choses to save that person. the pope and any other man will not be able to stop GOD from saving whom He choses.

God's power is not in man made and held religious rituals and can not be stopped or hindered by them. Salvation is faith in JESUS not in any cross or baptismal symbol invented or carried out by MEN.


Matthew 3:10-12 (New King James Version)

10 And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.[a] 12 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”

Gen 17 This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner—those who are not your offspring. Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant. Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.”

Col 2 In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not performed by human hands. Your whole self ruled by the flesh was put off when you were circumcised by Christ, having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.

(I believe the Lord does not change) he who has not been circumcised (BAPTIZED) in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.”

Mal 3:6 “I the LORD do not change. So you, the descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed. 7 Ever since the time of your ancestors you have turned away from my decrees and have not kept them. Return to me, and I will return to you,” says the LORD Almighty.
 
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they do have a point though, many cities infact sit on seven hills, and it is just as likely to be jerusalem as it is to be rome... I still cant get around the fact that the papacy is an institution and I believe the antichrist will be a single human male most likely in his thirties and quite possibly of jewish descent.
Lad...cmon...

Rev 17:9 “This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits.

Rev 17:18 The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.

Which City ruled over the kings of the Earth?

See The 7 hills?
 

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That may be true, but what if it is a future city yet to come? Indeed I think it is, i believe one man will rule a world government and rule over all the kings of the earth (another reference to Christ). The thing is you have to change your views to fit the text, when revelation is talking about one man you say its the pope, when its a different context you say its about the papacy as a whole, and then in a different context you say its the entire city of rome (which by the way is a seperate country to Vatican City)... it seems to fluid to be called theology but we will see as time goes on. Ultimately, it doesnt actually matter. The purpose of revelation is not primarily to give us knowledge about future times, its to give the churches of that time and now us hope for when we go through tribulation, and because of that hope to remain holy to receive the amazing rewards promised by Christ Himself. As long as we are holy and living for Him and therefore prepared for when He comes i dont think any of this eschatology matters, though it is interesting.

Revelation was intended for simple minded people, not scholars and theologians, the message we were meant to receive is as simple as this: "Jesus wins." As time goes on the Antichrist will be revealed clearly and people can then choose to do with that information what they please but UNTIL that happens, I will serve the Lord.
 
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Gen 17 This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner—those who are not your offspring. Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant. Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.”

Col 2 In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not performed by human hands. Your whole self ruled by the flesh was put off when you were circumcised by Christ, having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.

(I believe the Lord does not change) he who has not been circumcised (BAPTIZED) in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.”

Mal 3:6 “I the LORD do not change. So you, the descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed. 7 Ever since the time of your ancestors you have turned away from my decrees and have not kept them. Return to me, and I will return to you,” says the LORD Almighty.
no but He does fulfill and get humanity on track again. In Genesis God curse the serpent Satan and said that Woman's Seed would destroy his. Jesus is that Seed. there was no LAW as handed down by the angels until there were transgression and sin and it was only until the promise of the Seed was fulfilled. NOW Jesus has fulfilled it and we move on to the NEW convenant through faith and grace. Read Romans for more but I will give you a couple verses to start off with. however I must warn you that you are seeking to place believers again under the Law and that is not a good thing. Freedom through grace and faith in Jesus Christ should be the key message of anyone speaking of the Lord. Baptism of the HOLY SPIRIT and renewing of the body, mind and spirit: being born again is what should be talked about. God saves who He wills no matter what denomination He finds them in. there is sin and transgression everywhere. The only Light is found in the hearts, minds and souls God has placed His Holy Spirit within.it is not through any work we do but through the PROMISE God has made and our FAITH in Him. we act and speak out of obedience and love because He first loved us.

Galatians 3:18-20 (New King James Version)

18 For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no longer of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Purpose of the Law


19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.

Romans 2:28-29 (New King James Version)

28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; 29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.



May God's peace give you comfort. In Jesus name we pray, amen.
 

zone

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you forgot these zone:

List of cities claimed to be built on seven hills

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just making a correction to this:

Only the papacy sit on seven hills.
and i highly doubt any of those other cities are THE GREAT HARLOT, MYSTERY BABYLON (with the possible exception of YONKERS:D)

so that brings us back to Rome or Jerusalem.
 

zone

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they do have a point though, many cities infact sit on seven hills, and it is just as likely to be jerusalem as it is to be rome... I still cant get around the fact that the papacy is an institution and I believe the antichrist will be a single human male most likely in his thirties and quite possibly of jewish descent.
RIGHT YOU ARE.
but he won't REALLY be 'jewish': he'll be an edomite.
 
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My two cents worth, one thing that everyone has to realize it that whoever the anti-christ is going to be, He's gotta be someone that the orthodox jews and the muslims/arabs will both accept. Wrap your mind around that one. He has to be someone that will bring peace between Israel and the rest of the world. Some say he'll be the 12th Imam, some say he'll be jewish decent, some even say he'll be mietreya(probably spelled that wrong) This man(I too believe it'll be a man) has to have some kind of answer that is going to stop everyone in their tracks. He is going to be so cunning and mesmerizing to those that are lost, that both jew and arab and whoever else is going to agree together in him. Shalom
 

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My two cents worth, one thing that everyone has to realize it that whoever the anti-christ is going to be, He's gotta be someone that the orthodox jews and the muslims/arabs will both accept. Wrap your mind around that one. He has to be someone that will bring peace between Israel and the rest of the world. Some say he'll be the 12th Imam, some say he'll be jewish decent, some even say he'll be mietreya(probably spelled that wrong) This man(I too believe it'll be a man) has to have some kind of answer that is going to stop everyone in their tracks. He is going to be so cunning and mesmerizing to those that are lost, that both jew and arab and whoever else is going to agree together in him. Shalom
hey avinu.

thanks for posting this.

interesting that the Druze leaders, many arab "leaders" and UN NGOs are teaming up over The Talmud's Noahide Laws.

POTUS's and the Popes affirm them also.

zone

(p.s: i'd like to introduce you to megatron:))

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Family of nations gathered in New York at a special gathering where Mr. Joop Theunissen, Deputy Chief of an important United Nations Non-Governmental Organization signed to keep the laws of Noah.
By David Yisraeli, Chabad Info

24 Tevet 5771 (31.12.2010)

A conference advocating for the acceptance and adherence to the Noahide Laws was held on December 22, 2010.

The event's title was “Unity, Youth and World Peace”. Presenters included Mr. Joop Theunissen from the United Nations Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC), and Rabbi Yakov D. Cohen of the Institute of Noahide Code, who opened and moderated the conference.

More than 90 people attended this important event, many of whom expressed an interest in continuing this work.

Mr Joop Theunissen Deputy Chief of the NGO branch of ECOSOC signed a proclamation pledging to keep the Laws of Noah.

"Their observance is required, so that the vision of the United Nations – to have a settled and civilized world, in which economic justice and righteousness will prevail - can be fulfilled, with all of us working together in unison."

Noahide Code Rabbi Yakov Cohen said, "Especially now in these turbulent times, when so many people everywhere feel pressured and unsettled as a result of the global financial crisis, it is more important than ever to focus on the most important part of life: the spiritual integrity of human beings before G-d and the desire of the Creator to bestow all blessings on humanity through the full and complete redemption. At the same time, for the sake of children and youth around the world, it is critical that the representatives of the nations affirm and commit publicly to the basic premise, that people respect the very core fabric of life given by the Creator, which the Seven Universal Laws of Noah represent.

Rabbi Cohen told a story of world leaders who spent weeks trying to put together a map of the world with no success, when, finally a young boy snaps the map together in minutes. Curious, they ask how he was able to accomplish this seemingly impossible feat. He replied, 'I simply put the eyes together then the nose and so on.' Noticing their confused looks, he went on to explain, '...You see, on the other side of the world map is a single face of a human being.'"

The NGO Branch services the Committee on Non-Governmental Organizations, a subsidiary body of the ECOSOC composed of 19 Member States. It also provides relevant advice and information concerning NGOs to representatives of the United Nations system, member States and civil society.

Following the conference the participants enjoyed Kosher food and wines from around the world, and agreed to support these ideas of "Unity and Youth" to help bring world peace with the Laws of Noah.

Noahide.org - UN NGO Reps Pledge to Follow Noahide Laws