Antichrist has been revealed!

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pickles

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My understanding is that all will know the choice, if they choose the mark. That the message of Jesus will reach all in the world. That refusal would meen that one could not buy or sell, or death if they refuse.{physical death that is} From what I have read the scripture is pretty clear. Or have I missed something. Thankyou and Godbless, pickles
 
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Moshelijah

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uh Moshelijah the antichrist has not revealed himself yet because the antichrist will promise peace and will unite the nations. then no one will be able to do anything without the mark. and remember there are the seals and the trumpets there would have been darkness blood seas and the other stuff. if the antichrist had revealed himself i doubt that he would do it on tv.
Hello Rorschach,

I don't think the man of sin (the pope) wants to reveal himself, rather i think he will be revealed against his will.
If you Google the history of the most powerful religion on Earth (Roman catholic) no one was able to buy or sell or do anything without becoming a catholic because they made it illegal to do so. (That way people had to become catholic)

How does one become catholic?

Buy receiving a cross on their forehead!

eg. http://baby.lovetoknow.com/wiki/Catholic_Baptism

As for darkness and blood etc...these will be brought on by The Two Witnesses, on TV

These men have power to shut up the sky so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want.

We Christians will all be on Earth during this time so get ready. Read The Book Of Revelation chapter 11.
 
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Moshelijah

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The AntiChrist has always been on this earth... and when he sets up his empire in the Roman Catholic area... God will tell us to get prepared.
ooh you're so close. hello pinkstix56,

You're right the spirit of antichrist has always been with us. Just don't forget history, the roman catholic church is an empire called the holy roman empire. Google it.

Yes, God will warn us THROUGH The Two Witnesses. (The Great Tribulation)

Despite what they say Christians will be here during those days. So read Revelation.
 
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leendert

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Hello Rorschach,

I don't think the man of sin (the pope) wants to reveal himself, rather i think he will be revealed against his will.
If you Google the history of the most powerful religion on Earth (Roman catholic) no one was able to buy or sell or do anything without becoming a catholic because they made it illegal to do so. (That way people had to become catholic)

How does one become catholic?

Buy receiving a cross on their forehead!

eg. http://baby.lovetoknow.com/wiki/Catholic_Baptism

As for darkness and blood etc...these will be brought on by The Two Witnesses, on TV

These men have power to shut up the sky so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want.

We Christians will all be on Earth during this time so get ready. Read The Book Of Revelation chapter 11.
The beast is the papal system ,it can be proven without a doubt.But the mark of the beast is not a literal mark .Its got to do with worship.Mabe God can tell us His mark or sign .....
Exo 13:9 And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the LORD'S law may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath the LORD brought thee out of Egypt.
So its got something to do with His law...
Exo 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
Exo 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
Exo 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Lets ask the beast what his mark is....
". Sunday is our mark of authority...the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact." [FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow][FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow]Catholic Record of London[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow][FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow], Ontario, September 1,1923 [/FONT][/FONT]
Whose Day of Worship is Sunday?
[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]"They [the Protestants] deem it their duty to keep the Sunday holy. Why? Because the Catholic Church tells them to do so. They have no other reason...The observance of Sunday thus comes to be an ecclesiastical law entirely distinct from the divine law of Sabbath observance...The author of the Sunday law...is the Catholic Church." [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow][FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow]Ecclesiastical Review, February 1914[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow][FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow]"Is Saturday the seventh day according to the Bible and the Ten Commandments? I answer yes. Is Sunday the first day of the week and did the Church change the seventh day - Saturday - for Sunday, the first day? I answer [FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]yes[/FONT][/FONT]. Did Christ change the day’? I answer [FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]no![/FONT][/FONT]"
"Faithfully yours, J. Card. Gibbons." [FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow][FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow]James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, Md. (1877-1921), in a signed letter.[/FONT][/FONT]
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[/FONT][/FONT]"Question. - How prove you that the Church hath power to command feasts and holy days?
"Answer. - By the very act of changing Sabbath into Sunday which Protestants allow of; and therefore they fondly contradict themselves, by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same Church.
"Question. - How prove you that?
"Answer. - Because by keeping Sunday, they acknowledge the Church’s power to ordain feasts, and to command them under sin: and by not keeping the rest by her commanded, they again deny, in fact, the same power." [FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow][FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow]An Abridgment of the Christian Doctrine, composed by Henry Tuberville, p. 58.
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John832

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Whose Day of Worship is Sunday?
[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]"They [the Protestants] deem it their duty to keep the Sunday holy. Why? Because the Catholic Church tells them to do so. They have no other reason...[/FONT][/FONT]

I feel most people elect to worship on Sunday because it is the day of the resurrection. To make the claim they [the Protestants] take orders from the Catholic Church seems highly unrealistic my friend.

Do you worship the day? Or do you worship the Christ?
We have to be willing to accept what is written in the bible.

If the bible tells us to not let anyone judge you with respect to Sabbath Days- Why do you judge all who worship on Sunday?

Please Do Not Ignore The Scripture Below (Colossians 2:14-17). It stands in direct contrast with your statements about Sunday.
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14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
 
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mcap

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We will know the anti-christ because after the Temple is rebuilt the antichrist is to enter it and pollute it.Since the Temple has not been rebuilt yet we will have to wait.
 
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doubleedge

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Its sad to say, but to suggest that it is catholics alone would be a front to the truth! If it were catholics alone, then what are we to make of all the other religions (Mat 24:24)? Jesus Christ/ Yahshua Ha Meshiach Ben Yahweh Yehovah Elohim The Holy Spirit wouldn't contradict Himself would He? The truth is... what we call "christianity" isn't any better than the next religion. The joining facter of faith is love. Its the reason The Lord bothered to gave his life to us when we tried to take it! Many churches preach love, yet have no compassion for the plight of the less fortunate, choosing to justify their demise like Job's friends did! God came in the flesh as The King of the jews & lived as a poor man of color (Daniel 10:6 - Rev. 1:14,15) only to be cast aside by His own creations! After The Resurrection, ALL the powers that be (Ephesians 6:12) set a smoke screen to hide the TRUTH from those who would be saved unto eternal life! Fast forward to 2009. Can you see through the smog?
 
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doubleedge

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The ANTI HOLY SPIRIT is here!!!
 
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doubleedge

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Did EVERYBODY forget what The Lord said about the temple? John 2:19-21 says: "Jesus answered and said to them: Destroy this temple; and in three days I will raise it up. The Jews then said: Six and forty years was this temple in building; and wilt thou raise it up in three days? But he spoke of the temple of his body."! "The Body" of Christ was crucified but ressurected. Matthew 26:61-64 says: "And they said: This man said, I am able to destroy the temple of God and after three days to rebuild it. And the high priest rising up, said to him: Answerest thou nothing to the things which these witness against thee? But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest said to him: I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us if thou be the Christ the Son of God. Jesus saith to him: Thou hast said it. Nevertheless I say to you, hereafter you shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of the power of God and coming in the clouds of heaven.".
 
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Moshelijah

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We will know the anti-christ because after the Temple is rebuilt the antichrist is to enter it and pollute it.Since the Temple has not been rebuilt yet we will have to wait.
The Temple will be rebuilt during the Great Tribulation The Two Witnesses bring. After the beast kills them then he will enter the temple.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG3w8HXe9JE
 
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Moshelijah

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Whose Day of Worship is Sunday?
[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]"They [the Protestants] deem it their duty to keep the Sunday holy. Why? Because the Catholic Church tells them to do so. They have no other reason...[/FONT][/FONT]

I feel most people elect to worship on Sunday because it is the day of the resurrection. To make the claim they [the Protestants] take orders from the Catholic Church seems highly unrealistic my friend.

Do you worship the day? Or do you worship the Christ?
We have to be willing to accept what is written in the bible.

If the bible tells us to not let anyone judge you with respect to Sabbath Days- Why do you judge all who worship on Sunday?

Please Do Not Ignore The Scripture Below (Colossians 2:14-17). It stands in direct contrast with your statements about Sunday.

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

I agree the mark has nothing to do with what day you want to call Sabbath.
 
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Moshelijah

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Its sad to say, but to suggest that it is catholics alone would be a front to the truth! If it were catholics alone, then what are we to make of all the other religions (Mat 24:24)? Jesus Christ/ Yahshua Ha Meshiach Ben Yahweh Yehovah Elohim The Holy Spirit wouldn't contradict Himself would He? The truth is... what we call "christianity" isn't any better than the next religion. The joining facter of faith is love. Its the reason The Lord bothered to gave his life to us when we tried to take it! Many churches preach love, yet have no compassion for the plight of the less fortunate, choosing to justify their demise like Job's friends did! God came in the flesh as The King of the jews & lived as a poor man of color (Daniel 10:6 - Rev. 1:14,15) only to be cast aside by His own creations! After The Resurrection, ALL the powers that be (Ephesians 6:12) set a smoke screen to hide the TRUTH from those who would be saved unto eternal life! Fast forward to 2009. Can you see through the smog?
Its not the catholics alone.

Its all religions that came from her. She is called a mother and a prostitute, she has daughters which include the protestants and any Christian religion which imposes a cross on your forehead as the only initiation.

This title was written on her forehead:

MYSTERY
BABYLON THE GREAT
THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES
AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

As for any other religion...well they are all born once so they die twice.

John 3:3
In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again. "
 
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leendert

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14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

So theres a law that was nailed to the cross.If you take a closer look and read these verses carefully,you would note the following....
HANDWRITING of ordinances that was AGAINST US
Deu 31:24 And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
Deu 31:25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
Deu 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.


Here we have a handwritten book of laws that was against us.In these laws you would find laws dealing with food , holydays ,sabbath days and other feasts.Go and look at most of the holydays and feasts and you will notice that those feasts points forward to Jesus as saviour and to the cross.All these feasts were a mere shadow and they were fulfilled with Jesus.And when the temples veil tore, they were nailed to the cross.And those feast days they also called sabbath days.

In contrast you have Gods moral law of ten commandments.Not written by human hand and in the fourth commandment the Author identifies Himself.This weekly sabbath points us back to creation and God as the creator.If you delete this commandment anybody can claim these laws as his .
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

You cannot make up your own mind and worship God any way you like.Its not called the ten suggestions. And just keeping nine doesnt fly either.Either all ten are gone or none are gone. Then i guess its ok to murder and steal ect.And then God would be lying here....
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie

or maybe He is stretching the truth a little here...

1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1Jn 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
1Jn 2:7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
And this , just lies...

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

I dont know but it seems that if you keep Gods commandments, it upsets that dragon dude.Imagine he could trick the world into doing what they think is right,but what in effect is disobeying Gods commandments. Imagine this could be a sighn of who you really obey.The one you obey is after all your master, isnt it ?The bible says the whole world would wander after the beast .So maybe the few poeple screaming the truth would be seen as rageing lunatics.Just like the days of Noah, 8 poeple saved and the rest of the world thought they were mad.
 
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Moshelijah

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14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

So theres a law that was nailed to the cross.If you take a closer look and read these verses carefully,you would note the following....
HANDWRITING of ordinances that was AGAINST US
Deu 31:24 And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
Deu 31:25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
Deu 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.


Here we have a handwritten book of laws that was against us.In these laws you would find laws dealing with food , holydays ,sabbath days and other feasts.Go and look at most of the holydays and feasts and you will notice that those feasts points forward to Jesus as saviour and to the cross.All these feasts were a mere shadow and they were fulfilled with Jesus.And when the temples veil tore, they were nailed to the cross.And those feast days they also called sabbath days.

In contrast you have Gods moral law of ten commandments.Not written by human hand and in the fourth commandment the Author identifies Himself.This weekly sabbath points us back to creation and God as the creator.If you delete this commandment anybody can claim these laws as his .
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

You cannot make up your own mind and worship God any way you like.Its not called the ten suggestions. And just keeping nine doesnt fly either.Either all ten are gone or none are gone. Then i guess its ok to murder and steal ect.And then God would be lying here....
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie

or maybe He is stretching the truth a little here...

1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1Jn 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
1Jn 2:7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
And this , just lies...

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

I dont know but it seems that if you keep Gods commandments, it upsets that dragon dude.Imagine he could trick the world into doing what they think is right,but what in effect is disobeying Gods commandments. Imagine this could be a sighn of who you really obey.The one you obey is after all your master, isnt it ?The bible says the whole world would wander after the beast .So maybe the few poeple screaming the truth would be seen as rageing lunatics.Just like the days of Noah, 8 poeple saved and the rest of the world thought they were mad.

Hi leendert,

I can see your pretty passionate about all this but remember this.

Revelation is a warning not to receive a mark the word we want to consider is the Greek word CHARGMA and is translated "mark", in the "mark of the beast". The word CHARGMA means "to engrave or impress". This also is used to show ownership. This is the only word used in reference to the "mark of the beast".

Forget "Holy Days" as the mark its a decoy.

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days"
 
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leendert

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Hi leendert,

I can see your pretty passionate about all this but remember this.

Revelation is a warning not to receive a mark the word we want to consider is the Greek word CHARGMA and is translated "mark", in the "mark of the beast". The word CHARGMA means "to engrave or impress". This also is used to show ownership. This is the only word used in reference to the "mark of the beast".

Forget "Holy Days" as the mark its a decoy.

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days"
It will only become the mark when it gets enforced. And you might find it surprising but in Croatia they are enforcing Sunday law since the beginning of this year. You are not allowed to buy or sell on sunday in croatia. And guess who called for this law ? The Roman CC
 
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leendert

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Its sounds like you believe in futureism Mosheijah. Please find out who is Fransisco Ribera and what work he done. Most of the christian world base their believe about end times on this man,s work. Just do a honest study and let yourself be guided by truth.
 
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doubleedge

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I'm sorry but I'm still stuck on that temple thing. We all know that the hearts of (wo)MEN can be occupied by The Holy Spirit & devils alike. Are we (The Body of Christ) not the temple? - AND ANOTHER THING - How can "knights" claim to be from the "Temple of Solomon" (knights templars), If God forbid David from building the temple, the its settled!!! There is NONE from the temple of Solomon who's hand shall carry blood. P.S. these knights changed their name to "freemasons" & later "the illuminate"!. This happend when islam defeated them, & they were forced to help the scottish defeat the french during the french revolution. After the passing of an earlier member of the royal family, they were able to marry into the royal family. Today in america, U have "york right"(spiritual laws of egypt/ babylon), & "scottish right" (spiritual laws of monotheism) masonry. Read Ur Bible... Look it up... read Ur Bible some more... look it up again - 1 Thessalonians 5!!!
 
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vanessa

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where is the proof that the pope is the antichrist? why point the finger at him? why didnt you point the finger at the head of the anglican church and say they are the antichrist? Clearly you just want some one to blame.
 
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Moshelijah

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where is the proof that the pope is the antichrist? why point the finger at him? why didnt you point the finger at the head of the anglican church and say they are the antichrist? Clearly you just want some one to blame.
Dear Vanessa,

Only the papacy hold the title PONT.MAX which equals 666.
Only the papacy sit on seven hills.
Only the papacy forces an X (or cross) on your forehead.
Only the papacy force an X (or cross) on your right hand.
Only the papacy force an X (or cross) to worship.
Only the papacy have claimed to be Christ on Earth (veiled in flesh).

etc... Have you read the rest of this thread?

Watch this video if you want to SEE! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG3w8HXe9JE
 
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Moshelijah

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Its sounds like you believe in futureism Mosheijah. Please find out who is Fransisco Ribera and what work he done. Most of the christian world base their believe about end times on this man,s work. Just do a honest study and let yourself be guided by truth.
Dear leendert,

The Bible is more than enough for one to find salvation and avoid the beast and his mark. True?

Fransisco Ribera does not appear anywhere in the Bible. True?

Are you saying we need more the The Eternal Word Of God?

The spirit of antichrist was already there in Jesus day. SO WAS ROME!

NOT Fransisco Ribera!