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Nothing. It could happen any minute.
Where does the Scripture say: "Nothing has to happen - Christ can pre-trib rapture us anytime."

I am seeking to know the Truth concerning this subject matter.

The LORD said to His Disciples: "“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now." = John 16:12

After the Day of Pentecost and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit (John 16:13-15) the Apostles wrote under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit concerning "many things" from the LORD including the rapture.

Please let me know where the Apostles wrote: "Nothing needs to occur. It could happen any minute."

Thank You
 

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I do a lot of pondering about end times and what it’ll look like for the believer. No one in my church wants to talk about it, so I thought I’d bring it here.

I have heard a few theologians proclaim that a pre-trib rapture is false doctrine, and a “lie from the pit of hell”.

I’m a pre-tribber married to a post tribber, and frankly, his arguments for a post tribulational rapture don’t hold water as far as I’m concerned. Perhaps a post-tribber from this forum can make me understand.

I have an open mind. Mostly because I fully expected the rapture to happen last year. The numbers just made sense. 2021 was 73 years since Israel became a nation, leaving 7 years for the tribulation culminating in the 80-year-old-generation mentioned in Psalms.

Regardless, God is angry, and He’s about to punish the entire planet, and I’m persuaded that ours is the generation that will see these things come to pass. With a possible (probable?) WWIII scenario, and end time prophecies jumping off the pages of the Bible, I am fascinated, excited, and a little nervous. I would love to read the thoughts of any post-tribbers on what you think it will look like for believers to go through the tribulation (specifically, the 7 trumpets, seals and bowls of The Revelation.)

Do post-tribbers believe that as God’s elect, we are subject to the same wrath as everyone else? For instance, at some point the earth will be bombarded with 75 lb hailstones (Rev 16:21). Are we subject to God’s wrath in that we will be crushed along with everyone else? Or will they not effect us? When those crazy looking locusts are tormenting the population, are we to be supernaturally protected from them?

If you’re a post-tribber (or even a non-tribber) convince me that I’m wrong. I wouldn’t want to believe God for something that’s never going to happen based on misinterpreted scripture.

Anybody?

There is lots of theologue of different demolitions at work here. A person that says "that a pre-trib rapture is false doctrine, and a “lie from the pit of hell" sounds Baptist or similar denomination believes ( not saying it is wrong, stay clam please). Pretribulation sounds a bit charismatic ( not saying it is wrong) by faith(spiritual faith not church doctrine) you are saved. Parables for different denomination view points or interpreted in different ways. Not to blaming you Lori, but hat is what your question really is to a lot of people, just fighting words for those that what to fight out there denomination's view puts. Wars are fought over such things.
 
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I sat down to write you a literal dissertation on the parallels of the Rapture and a traditional Jewish wedding. But I’d be writing for days.

Since I don’t know what you know, I’ve linked a sermon by one of my favorite theologians, Dr. John Barnette. The video is 24 minutes long, (so I apologize for the extensive homework) but he explains my personal understanding of the rapture so beautifully, I had to share it with you. Only a pre trib scenario fits this beautiful and poignant parallel. Enjoy.



Oh, and destination… heaven!
Lori,

You said: "I wouldn’t want to believe God for something that’s never going to happen based on misinterpreted scripture."
Is this what you say true about yourself?

the LORD said HE was coming "Immediating after the tribulation" = Matthew ch24

The Jewish Wedding has, in part, already been fulfilled by Christ. All that remains is for the completion of the Bride to take place according to those whom the Father will call.

"And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come."

"And the Spirit and the Bride say come" - Revelation ch22
 

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That is not what it actually says, The DEPARTURE [of the church] AND the Anti-Christ must both happen before the Wrath of God falls. The first 7 English translations had Departure not Falling Away, the KJV twisted it because they were trying to slight the RCC by saying they had Departed the Faith ot fell away from Christ. Now go read the passage again, nowhere does it speak about faith, but it does speak about a Gathering unto Christ in the very first verse!! So, what makes sense, they were not to fear because the Anti-Christ had to come first? Well, since they knew not the day nor hour he could have shown up the very next day, and thus God's wrath could fall in one week. But..........if God's Wrath can't show up until the Church Departs AND the AC shows up then thy do not have to fear, because they will not be in the Wrath of God. I wrote a blog on this years ago, or I copied and pasted something, I forget now.

The Departure got changed (morphed into Apostacy) like the word GAY has been changed from Happy to a perverted lifestyle meaning.

Apostasia has always meant an Apostasy. It is a departure from the faith. These will fall away to the false christ/man of sin.
 

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Where does the Scripture say: "Nothing has to happen - Christ can pre-trib rapture us anytime."

I am seeking to know the Truth concerning this subject matter.

The LORD said to His Disciples: "“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now." = John 16:12

After the Day of Pentecost and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit (John 16:13-15) the Apostles wrote under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit concerning "many things" from the LORD including the rapture.

Please let me know where the Apostles wrote: "Nothing needs to occur. It could happen any minute."

Thank You
Prophetically as in for the 7 year tribulation to begin.

Have you studied the Daniel Seventy "Seven" prophecy? Essentially it is a timeline from the rebuilding of Jerusalem to Christ's first arrival. Then it is paused between the 483 years and the last 7.

This pause in the apocalypse timeline has now lasted 2000+ years. Jesus said only the Father knows the day or the hour and everything we see like war, rumors of war, disease, suffering, will only become like the days of Noah. These are only birth pains. We have been in these birth pains. Prophetically there is nothing preventing Christ to rapture the Church. This could happen as an instant or like the speed of light. Like the prepared virgins and the diligent workers we must always be prepared.

Prophetically we can judge maybe how close the rapture may be by looking at what must take place for the tribulation event. This is why so many talk about the revived Roman Empire, the Antichrist, the rebuilding of the temple, the one world order, the mark of the beast, etc. The more these events are prepared, the sooner the rapture.
 
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Hello Lori, welcome to the forum.


You are correct sister.


Those numbers were always an erroneous understanding. In Matt. 24:4-31 we get about 12 "SIGNS" about Jesus Second Coming, not the Rapture, so when we see verses 32-35 speak about the Fig trees fruit and the Disciples (Jews) were told they will know when Summer is near by the fruits ripeness, that had nothing to do with Israel's rebirth, its al about Jesus' Second Coming, thus it happens 7 years after the rapture, get where I am going? So, since most Jews will not be saved at the Rapture this message was unto the Jewish Nation at the end, and what was the very last clue? The Sun and Moon goes Dark in Matt. 24:29-30, so the LAST SIGN is the Rev. 8 Asteroid that strikes the earth and turns the light is diminished by 1/3 from al the smoke of the burning trees.

Thus when Jesus says THIS GENERATION, he is speaking about the Generation who saw all of those signs, meaning the LAST SIGN has to be witnesses by the generation he was speaking of, so THAT GENERATION has to be living during the 70th week. So, we are told about ALL the signs then he says LIKEWISE !!

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things(all 12 signs as in ALL), know that it is near, even at the doors.(Second Coming)

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

What Generation? The ONE that sees ALL of thee things, and thus the last sign is the Sun and Moon going dark. It was never about Israel being reborn, tat was a misunderstanding gone wrong. I said this years ago, just like I warned everyone about the bogus Rev. 17 sign , God doesn't deal in Astrology.


I know we are, in a vision in 1986, Jesus before I was shown Jimmy Swaggart fall in another vision, I was running wit some small kids from some evil people, I hid behind a bush, then I heard this loud BOOMING voice from Heaven simply say, "The Man of Sin is Here".

So, the time is at hand. I think we can understand THE SEASON, but not the Day nor Hour. I see the rapture as the Fall of 2025, because I see Apophis as the Day of the Lord (April 13, 2029, thus if we are going pre trib that has to be by the fall of 2025.

God Bless.
Thank you. You’ve made a lot of good points. With all I’m learning, I gotta say that my pre trib stance isn’t as strong as it was a few days ago. But here’s my problem. Jesus said that no man knows the day or the hour of his coming. for a post trib coming (or rapture) all we really have to do is wait for thé antichrist to declare himself God, and boom! We can calculate exactly when His coming will occur. Why does He depict his coming as a thief in the night when that scenario is apparently never going to happen. I’m confused more than ever.
 

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Thank you. You’ve made a lot of good points. With all I’m learning, I gotta say that my pre trib stance isn’t as strong as it was a few days ago. But here’s my problem. Jesus said that no man knows the day or the hour of his coming. for a post trib coming (or rapture) all we really have to do is wait for thé antichrist to declare himself God, and boom! We can calculate exactly when His coming will occur. Why does He depict his coming as a thief in the night when that scenario is apparently never going to happen. I’m confused more than ever.
I think the word "like" and in context shows he will surprise you.
 

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Enoch was no model for the "rapture".
Really? So when someone denies what is plainly revealed in Scripture, there is no further recourse. And he or she is treading on thin ice, since all Scripture is there for our instruction.

By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. (Heb 11:5)

So we need to ask ourselves why God felt it necessary to bring up the "translation" of Enoch, and what it implies for believers. The above verse harks back to Genesis 5:23,24: And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

1. BY FAITH: Enoch and all the OT saints in Hebrew 11 are presented to us as those who were justified by grace through faith and deemed righteous by God (though some, like Samson, were not as practically righteous as Enoch). Even David and Samuel had their faults and flaws.

2. ENOCH: Enoch is the only one in Genesis 5 who is commended for "walking with God" (living a righteous and blameless life). This is not even applicable to Seth. So Enoch -- the seventh from Adam -- is regarded as a very special man. Jude refers to the book of Enoch (the one Jude would have accepted as reliable) and quotes Enoch regarding the Second Coming of Christ. That in itself is remarkable, therefore Enoch should be regarded as a prophet.

3. WAS TRANSLATED: The King James Bible uses "translated" for the Greek μετετέθη (metetethē). Strong's Concordance and Thayer's Lexicon show that it means either transfer, or change, or transpose, or transmute (and sometimes it can mean desert). But most modern translations show it as either "taken away" or "taken up" and the Aramaic Bible in English says "transported". So where would God take up or take away one of His saints other than to Heaven? After the resurrection of Christ all the OT saints were taken to the New Jerusalem (Heb 12:22-24). And every believer who has passed on since the ascension of Christ is now in Heaven, in the presence of Christ. To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

4. THAT HE SHOULD NOT SEE DEATH: Now here is the key to the Rapture. Enoch did not die, and none of the saints who are alive at the Rapture will die. Instead they will be (a) transformed and then (b) transported supernaturally to Heaven (in nanoseconds). This is very clear in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 and 1 Corinthians 15:51,52 (where "sleep" is a metaphor for physical death).

Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed... Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The word "rapture" is derived from the Latin "rapiemur" in the Latin Vulgate, which is a translation for "caught up together". As one can see this is a supernatural event, just like the rapture of Enoch.

5. AND WAS NOT FOUND: This is an amazing statement. When Enoch was raptured, he actually "disappeared" from earth, hence "he was not found". Which means that his friends and family would have been in a state of shock. They would have search all over for him, but he could not be found. And that is exactly what will happen at the Resurrection/Rapture. The saints of God will not be found on earth following that event.
 
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The Jewish Wedding has, in part, already been fulfilled by Christ. All that remains is for the completion of the Bride to take place according to those whom the Father will call.
Please explain how the Jewish wedding has been fulfilled. When our Groom said He is going to prepare a place for us, and He’s coming back to take us to where He is, when and how did that take place? Am I expecting something that was never going to happen?
 
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Prophetically as in for the 7 year tribulation to begin.

Have you studied the Daniel Seventy "Seven" prophecy? Essentially it is a timeline from the rebuilding of Jerusalem to Christ's first arrival. Then it is paused between the 483 years and the last 7.

This pause in the apocalypse timeline has now lasted 2000+ years. Jesus said only the Father knows the day or the hour and everything we see like war, rumors of war, disease, suffering, will only become like the days of Noah. These are only birth pains. We have been in these birth pains. Prophetically there is nothing preventing Christ to rapture the Church. This could happen as an instant or like the speed of light. Like the prepared virgins and the diligent workers we must always be prepared.

Prophetically we can judge maybe how close the rapture may be by looking at what must take place for the tribulation event. This is why so many talk about the revived Roman Empire, the Antichrist, the rebuilding of the temple, the one world order, the mark of the beast, etc. The more these events are prepared, the sooner the rapture.
This is exciting!
 
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Prophetically as in for the 7 year tribulation to begin.

Have you studied the Daniel Seventy "Seven" prophecy? Essentially it is a timeline from the rebuilding of Jerusalem to Christ's first arrival. Then it is paused between the 483 years and the last 7.

This pause in the apocalypse timeline has now lasted 2000+ years. Jesus said only the Father knows the day or the hour and everything we see like war, rumors of war, disease, suffering, will only become like the days of Noah. These are only birth pains. We have been in these birth pains. Prophetically there is nothing preventing Christ to rapture the Church. This could happen as an instant or like the speed of light. Like the prepared virgins and the diligent workers we must always be prepared.

Prophetically we can judge maybe how close the rapture may be by looking at what must take place for the tribulation event. This is why so many talk about the revived Roman Empire, the Antichrist, the rebuilding of the temple, the one world order, the mark of the beast, etc. The more these events are prepared, the sooner the rapture.
Yes, I have - thank you.
Yes there is a Pause by the Father which is directly connected to the First Coming of Christ and the duration of His Ministry.
Please explain how the Jewish wedding has been fulfilled. When our Groom said He is going to prepare a place for us, and He’s coming back to take us to where He is, when and how did that take place? Am I expecting something that was never going to happen?
Please see that i said the Jewish Wedding has been fulfilled in PART = Key phrase = in PART

Keep this in your heart/mind = the Bride is not Ready until Chapter 19 of Revelation

Dwell on this and I will respond later about John 14:1-4

also - could you please share your take on why Christ said HE is Returning "Immediately after the Tribulation to gather His Elect"

Thank You Lori
 

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Thank you. You’ve made a lot of good points. With all I’m learning, I gotta say that my pre trib stance isn’t as strong as it was a few days ago. But here’s my problem. Jesus said that no man knows the day or the hour of his coming. for a post trib coming (or rapture) all we really have to do is wait for thé antichrist to declare himself God, and boom! We can calculate exactly when His coming will occur. Why does He depict his coming as a thief in the night when that scenario is apparently never going to happen. I’m confused more than ever.
What you said is sound logic. It is only confusing when illogical conclusions are formed and people try to make those conclusions work.
 
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Seems you for got to add the word "part" somewhere.
My Post #143 states: 'The Jewish Wedding has, in part, already been fulfilled by Christ. All that remains is for the completion of the Bride to take place according to those whom the Father will call."

Let me know if you see in Post #143 - thank you
 
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But here’s my problem. Jesus said that no man knows the day or the hour of his coming. for a post trib coming (or rapture) all we really have to do is wait for thé antichrist to declare himself God, and boom! We can calculate exactly when His coming will occur. Why does He depict his coming as a thief in the night when that scenario is apparently never going to happen.
Hi, Lori.

First, let's consider WHAT Jesus said.

"But of that day and hour knows no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." (Matthew 24:36)

Here, Jesus clearly states that the only person who knows that day and the hour is his Father.

Now, let's consider WHEN Jesus said it.

He said this during his incarnation or before his death, burial, resurrection from the dead, and ascension back to the Father in heaven.

Is this important to recognize?

Yes, it most certainly is, and here is why:

"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. " (Revelation 1:1-2)

After Christ's death, burial, resurrection, and ascension back to the Father's right hand in heaven, God gave unto him a revelation (hence, the book's title) or revealed things to him which he didn't previously know during his incarnation.

As you probably already know, the book of Daniel and the book of Revelation oftentimes go together like hand and glove.

With such in mind, please consider the following:

"But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. " (Daniel 12:4)

There were certain words which were shut up and sealed in a book during the time of Daniel.

It's no coincidence that the book of Revelation is all about what is revealed when seven seals are opened in a book.

In relation to the same, we read:

Revelation chapter 5

[1] And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
[2] And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
[3] And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
[4] And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
[5] And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
[6] And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
[7] And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
[8] And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
[9] And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
[10] And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Here, the Apostle John saw God the Father sitting upon a throne with a book in his right hand that was written within and on the backside and sealed with seven seals (vs. 1).

He then heard an angel proclaiming with a loud voice, "Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?" (vs. 2)

In other words, there was apparently some sort of criteria which someone had to meet in order to be considered worthy to open this book by loosing its seals.

When no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth was found worthy to open the book and read it, John wept much (vss. 3-4).

However, one of the elders told him to weep not (vs. 5), and here is why:

"Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof." (vs. 5)

It wasn't until Jesus Christ had prevailed that one was found worthy to open the book and to loose the seven seals thereof.

We gain a much better understanding of this a little later on when the four beasts and the four and twenty elders fall down before him and sing this song (vss. 8-9):

"Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth." (vss. 9-10)

It wasn't until the time came that Jesus Christ was slain and had redeemed us to God by his blood that he was worthy to open the book and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Again, this is what the book of Revelation or "the Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him" (Revelation 1:1) is all about:

Something which had previously been sealed, but was now being revealed.

With this in mind, this greatly changes what Jesus said about "no man knowing that day or that hour, but my Father" during his incarnation.

In other words, although Jesus didn't know certain things then, they were revealed unto him by the Father after he ascended back to the Father in heaven.

Hopefully, you can see this.

In light of this, let's look at what JESUS had to say about his coming "as a thief":

Revelation chapter 16

[1] And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
[2] And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
[3] And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
[4] And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
[5] And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
[6] For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
[7] And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
[8] And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
[9] And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
[10] And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
[11] And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
[12] And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
[13] And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
[14] For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
[15] Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
[16] And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
[17] And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

Here, we clearly see the seven angels pouring out the seven vials of the wrath of God upon the earth (vs. 1).

As the first vial of God's wrath is poured out, "the mark of the beast" and "his image" are both already here (vs. 2).

As the fifth vial of God's wrath is poured out, "the seat of the beast, and his kingdom" are both already here (vs. 10).

As the sixth vial of God's wrath is poured out, "three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of THE DRAGON, and out of the mouth of THE BEAST, and out of the mouth of THE FALSE PROPHET" (vss. 12-13) because all three of them are already here. Not only this, but these "three unclean spirits" (vs. 13) are "the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty" (vs. 14) or to the battle of "Armageddon" (vs. 16).

Now, look what JESUS says during the timeframe between the pouring out of the sixth and seventh vials of the wrath of God:

"Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame." (vs. 15)

In other words, HE HASN'T YET COME AS A THIEF UP UNTIL THIS POINT IN TIME.

For this reason, he is still heard admonishing his followers to "watch and keep their garments".

THIS IS THE TRUTH.

The pre-tribulation rapture teaching is A COMPLETE AND UTTER FABRICATION.

Who has ears to hear, let them hear.
 

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Yes, I have - thank you.
Yes there is a Pause by the Father which is directly connected to the First Coming of Christ and the duration of His Ministry.


Please see that i said the Jewish Wedding has been fulfilled in PART = Key phrase = in PART

Keep this in your heart/mind = the Bride is not Ready until Chapter 19 of Revelation

Dwell on this and I will respond later about John 14:1-4

also - could you please share your take on why Christ said HE is Returning "Immediately after the Tribulation to gather His Elect"

Thank You Lori
The bride had 3 stages before being ready.

A dowery must be paid by the father

Then after a period of time for the groom to prepare the house, He would return to gather the Bride.

Then a wedding feast would occur sometime later.

We are waiting for the groom to gather the Bride. Then at a later date the feast will begin.

The elect will be not only the gathered Church but the new believers of the tribulation.
 

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Thank you. You’ve made a lot of good points. With all I’m learning, I gotta say that my pre trib stance isn’t as strong as it was a few days ago. But here’s my problem. Jesus said that no man knows the day or the hour of his coming. for a post trib coming (or rapture) all we really have to do is wait for thé antichrist to declare himself God, and boom! We can calculate exactly when His coming will occur.
That only was true at the time he said it. Now that we have Revelation we do know the second coming will be 42 months after the antichrist is in power, as well as when the two prophets are killed and resurrect that the second coming will happen that day.
 
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I do a lot of pondering about end times and what it’ll look like for the believer. No one in my church wants to talk about it, so I thought I’d bring it here.

I have heard a few theologians proclaim that a pre-trib rapture is false doctrine, and a “lie from the pit of hell”.

I’m a pre-tribber married to a post tribber, and frankly, his arguments for a post tribulational rapture don’t hold water as far as I’m concerned. Perhaps a post-tribber from this forum can make me understand.

I have an open mind. Mostly because I fully expected the rapture to happen last year. The numbers just made sense. 2021 was 73 years since Israel became a nation, leaving 7 years for the tribulation culminating in the 80-year-old-generation mentioned in Psalms.

Regardless, God is angry, and He’s about to punish the entire planet, and I’m persuaded that ours is the generation that will see these things come to pass. With a possible (probable?) WWIII scenario, and end time prophecies jumping off the pages of the Bible, I am fascinated, excited, and a little nervous. I would love to read the thoughts of any post-tribbers on what you think it will look like for believers to go through the tribulation (specifically, the 7 trumpets, seals and bowls of The Revelation.)

Do post-tribbers believe that as God’s elect, we are subject to the same wrath as everyone else? For instance, at some point the earth will be bombarded with 75 lb hailstones (Rev 16:21). Are we subject to God’s wrath in that we will be crushed along with everyone else? Or will they not effect us? When those crazy looking locusts are tormenting the population, are we to be supernaturally protected from them?

If you’re a post-tribber (or even a non-tribber) convince me that I’m wrong. I wouldn’t want to believe God for something that’s never going to happen based on misinterpreted scripture.

Anybody?
What happens to you once you get to heaven pre trib?
 
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The bride had 3 stages before being ready.

A dowery must be paid by the father

Then after a period of time for the groom to prepare the house, He would return to gather the Bride.

Then a wedding feast would occur sometime later.

We are waiting for the groom to gather the Bride. Then at a later date the feast will begin.

The elect will be not only the gathered Church but the new believers of the tribulation.
Dowery has been paid = His Body on the Cross and His Blood shed for us.

His Fathers House has many mansions and He already has prepared a place for us who are His.

Read carefully John 14:1-4 for this has already taken place.
Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. 2In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. 4And where I go you know, and the way you know.”