Apostle Paul On Tongues In 1 Corinthians

[UnderGrace]

I care because people are harmed severely by false teaching, I live in Toronto I know people who have been spiritually, emotionally and economically damaged by places by Toronto Catch the Fire.

It all started with this mysterious private prayer language in 1901 in Topeka Kansas and grew to become something so much worse.

The glory of God brings believers to their knees with a sense of over whelming humility and thankfulness. This clip shows anything but.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,
2 Timothy 4:3

So many on this thread have shown time and time again how to rightly divide the word of God, this is where true blessings lie, instead others here actually prefer to feed their flesh (psychological needs) by signs and wonders of an unintelligible private prayer language which has been shown by DP, Roger, Jaybird 88, fredoheaven and others that it is not supported by scripture.

See how these people react to God's glory, so so, so, so sad like they were at an amusement park.


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Slavery is clearly against Scripture. Paul writes about Onisimus being set free in Philemon.
Polygamy was supported by Scripture in the OT, but not God's perfect way which is clearly in Scripture.
Trickle down economics? It is in the OT to let the poor have the fruit of the hard to reach harvests.
Name it and claim it? Why do you care? Scripture says whatever you ask in my name, you will receive. Jesus said it.
Word of faith? Without faith it's impossible to please God, we need more faith not less.
Glory clouds? Nothing in Scripture against it. Why do you care?
Glory dust? Nothing in Scripture against it. Why do you care?

And if you have a problem with weird things. Don't read any of the OT. Because God had prophets lay on his side for an entire year, cook food on dung, marry a prostitute, had an entire building fall by marching around it, had a sea separate so people could walk through it. And the NT has weird things also: Jesus walked through walls, disappeared, was seen on a cloud, Paul was bitten by a deadly snake, had people taking handkerchiefs from his body, Peter's shadow healed people.

Everything about God is not in Scripture. We know this because nowhere in Scripture is it told that handkerchiefs or shadows would heal people. And people who sought to be lead by Scripture only missed God when He stood right in front of them. Jesus didn't die to give us a bigger book. That's one of the biggest issues I have with religion. It seems to forget that God can do what He wants. He won't contradict Himself, but He will contradict our interpretations of Him.

Are you seriously saying that God can't use a glory cloud or glory dust, If He chooses?

 

[reneweddaybyday]

--- you are the one to "manipulate God into contradicting Himself" because you contradict Scripture which indicates

the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal (1 Cor 12:7)

You construe this to mean tongues. The Holy Spirit is indeed given to everyman when they accept Christ as their personal Savior.

The context of 1 Cor 12:7-11 is the manifestation of the Spirit which is given to every man to profit withal (1 Cor 12:7).

The manifestation is shown as word of wisdom; word of knowledge; faith; gifts of healing; working of miracles; prophecy; discerning of spirits; kinds of tongues; interpretation of tongues (1 Cor 12:8-10).

So when you make statements that

"Tongues are like many modern addictions. Harmful and deadly in many ways"

you contradict Scripture.

Charismatics and Pentecostals have cloaked themselves in religious rituals which they declare to be manifestations, your word, of the Holy Spirit.

Excuse me. Manifestation of the Spirit is straight from Scripture, so it is God's Word. See 1 Cor 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

Does your faith in Christ cease when tongues cease?

No.

Does your faith in Christ cease because tongues has not ceased?

Will you believe in Christ if there are no tongues?

Yes.

Will you believe in Christ since tongues has not ceased?

I do not want this to seem like a personal indictment of you but it is intended to be more toward the Pentecostal and charismatic movements in a corporate sense.

It appears to me that your intent is to expose improper use of the manifestation. That is fine. I believe there are some who do not follow the instruction of 1 Cor 12 – 14 and this is detrimental to the body of Christ.

I also believe there are some who are not born again but in an effort to appear to be something they are not, they emulate what they believe to be the manifestation of the Spirit. This is also detrimental.

However, there are also those in whom God energizes the manifestation of Holy Spirit and the way you submit your posts, you include the proper use of the manifestation in with the improper use. And this is detrimental to the body of Christ.

So perhaps if you would preface your blanket statements to exclude the proper use of the manifestation, your target audience would be properly addressed. I believe your target audience is those who improperly represent their false notions as genuine.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

I am not insisting that you refrain, what I am informing you of, is that when a believer is engaging in this unintelligible prayer language it is the exact same phenomena that occurs when it is a non-believer.

No, it is not. Because God energizes the manifestation within a believer.

A non-believer is not energized by God. So it is not the same, no matter how the "phenomena" appears in the physical realm.

So if it is an angelic language why are non-believers able do the exact same thing? They also experience the same type of euphoria.

It is not the "exact same thing". Your scientific findings are incapable of registering the spiritual aspect of the manifestation.

I continue in the discussion because I sincerely believe it brings harm to a believers relationship with God and also harms to how we are perceived by the world and our witness to a dying world.

I continue in the discussion because you lump the genuine manifestation in with the activities of those whose ministry is to harm the witness of the believer to a dying world.

When God energizes the manifestation in the life of the believer, it is not the same as your perception of the manifestation.

The more you align yourself with Truth the more God is able to reveal Himself to you and send His love to you and not by false psychological experience.

The energizing by God within the believer is not "false psychological experience".

The energizing by God within the believer is the manifestation of the Spirit.

I do not want to sound harsh, I just firmly believe that God has a lot more to offer the believer when they relinquish doctrines of denominations that were invented in 1901.

Yes, God sure does have a lot more to offer believers than any doctrine of man. You know more about the doctrine of man than you do about the manifestation of the Spirit.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

So many on this thread have shown time and time again how to rightly divide the word of God, this is where true blessings lie, instead others here actually prefer to feed their flesh (psychological needs) by signs and wonders of an unintelligible private prayer language which has been shown by DP, Roger, Jaybird 88, fredoheaven and others that it is not supported by scripture.

See how these people react to God's glory, so so, so, so sad like they were at an amusement park.

So only those who support your cessationist doctrine are capable of rightly dividing the word of God?

And those who have presented Scriptural support for the manifestation of the Spirit are "so, so, so, so sad like they were at an amusement park"?

Got it. : /

 

[UnderGrace]

I never said I was a cessationist or that God does not perform healings and that if needed to witness to nonbeliever with a different language that the gift of tongues could not bestowed.

I do believe that DP and Roger and others I mentioned are rightly interpreting scripture on this particular doctrine of private angelic prayer language.

I have tried to show other aspects of this whole phenomena of private unintelligible prayer language to add to their postings, although ultimately scripture is clear on what tongues is and what it is not.

So only those who support your cessationist doctrine are capable of rightly dividing the word of God?

And those who have presented Scriptural support for the manifestation of the Spirit are "so, so, so, so sad like they were at an amusement park"?

Got it. : /

 

[notuptome]

The context of 1 Cor 12:7-11 is the manifestation of the Spirit which is given to every man to profit withal (1 Cor 12:7).

The manifestation is shown as word of wisdom; word of knowledge; faith; gifts of healing; working of miracles; prophecy; discerning of spirits; kinds of tongues; interpretation of tongues (1 Cor 12:8-10).

So when you make statements that

"Tongues are like many modern addictions. Harmful and deadly in many ways"

you contradict Scripture.

Not in the least. When a Christian sees a cross the crucified Lord comes to his thoughts. When a Jew hears tongues he thinks about Gods judgment toward Israel through captivity. This is the biblical context of tongues.

Excuse me. Manifestation of the Spirit is straight from Scripture, so it is God's Word. See 1 Cor 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

True but not specifically through tongues. The Holy Spirit indwells every believer from the moment of conversion.

No.

Does your faith in Christ cease because tongues has not ceased?

My faith is dependent upon the word of God not tongues which have according to the word of God ceased. Faith cometh by hearing and hearing the word of God.

Yes.

Will you believe in Christ since tongues has not ceased?

I am not dependent upon anything but Gods word and the presence of the Holy Spirit.

It appears to me that your intent is to expose improper use of the manifestation. That is fine. I believe there are some who do not follow the instruction of 1 Cor 12 – 14 and this is detrimental to the body of Christ.

I also believe there are some who are not born again but in an effort to appear to be something they are not, they emulate what they believe to be the manifestation of the Spirit. This is also detrimental.

However, there are also those in whom God energizes the manifestation of Holy Spirit and the way you submit your posts, you include the proper use of the manifestation in with the improper use. And this is detrimental to the body of Christ.

So perhaps if you would preface your blanket statements to exclude the proper use of the manifestation, your target audience would be properly addressed. I believe your target audience is those who improperly represent their false notions as genuine.

And yet no one can demonstrate from the scriptures that the tongues of today are biblical. All that is ever offered is anecdotal evidence but no biblical foundation is laid. Yet the modern Gentile church is captivated by this phenomenon almost to the exclusion of all else.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

The bible is a mirror not a magnifying glass.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

I never said I was a cessationist or that God does not perform healings and that if needed to witness to nonbeliever with a different language that the gift of tongues could not bestowed.

In the church setting, the manifestation of tongues is to be coupled with the manifestation of interpretation of tongues, and it serves the same purpose as the manifestation of prophecy, which is to edify the body of believers by way of exhortation and comfort (1 Cor 14:3). If there is no interpreter, then tongues is to be spoken silently between the believer and God (1 Cor 14:28).

And I agree with you that the misuse of the manifestation has caused great harm.

I do believe that DP and Roger and others I mentioned are rightly interpreting scripture on this particular doctrine of private angelic prayer language.

I have tried to show other aspects of this whole phenomena of private unintelligible prayer language to add to their postings, although ultimately scripture is clear on what tongues is and what it is not.

And my only problem with Roger is his propensity to lump the genuine use of the manifestation in with all the other junk we see/hear about which brings derision.

Thank you for your discussion of this issue in a rational and thought-provoking manner. I do appreciate that aspect which shines through in your posts.

 

[BenFTW]

I never said I was a cessationist or that God does not perform healings and that if needed to witness to nonbeliever with a different language that the gift of tongues could not bestowed.

I do believe that DP and Roger and others I mentioned are rightly interpreting scripture on this particular doctrine of private angelic prayer language.

I have tried to show other aspects of this whole phenomena of private unintelligible prayer language to add to their postings, although ultimately scripture is clear on what tongues is and what it is not.

It is clear that there is a public and private use of the gift of tongues in scripture. Plainly revealed when the apostle Paul says, "Yet in the church I'd rather speak five intelligible words than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue." Emphasis on "in the church" meaning he does it outside the church. He does it privately.

Then of course we have scripture stating that in our use of tongues we are praising in the spirit and that is all good and well but it doesn't edify anyone else because they don't understand you. Notice however the person is privately praising the Lord in tongues? There again is a personal use. Also in Corinthians the apostle Paul speaks of "singing in the spirit" and "praying in the spirit" as opposed to singing and praying with understanding. He is speaking of singing and praying in tongues. Another personal use of tongues. Also in Jude 20 "building up your most holy faith' praying in the Holy Spirit (tongues).

Scripture is most definitely clear. The gift of tongues can be used privately and publicly (with interpretation).

 

[reneweddaybyday]

When a Jew hears tongues he thinks about Gods judgment toward Israel through captivity. This is the biblical context of tongues.

And when I hear tongues, I think of the Day of Pentecost in Acts 2, when the prophecy of Joel was fulfilled (Acts 2:17-18). I also think of Acts 10 when gentiles were afforded this great grace of receiving Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues (Acts 10:44-46).

Excuse me. Manifestation of the Spirit is straight from Scripture, so it is God's Word. See 1 Cor 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

True but not specifically through tongues. The Holy Spirit indwells every believer from the moment of conversion.

Yes. And because every believer is indwelt from the moment of conversion, the Holy Spirit is able to energize the manifestation within the believer as shown in 1 Cor 12:8-10.

Tongues is not the only manifestation --- there is also word of wisdom; word of knowledge; faith; gifts of healing; working of miracles; interpretation of tongues; prophecy. This is all the manifestation (outward evidence of the working of Holy Spirit within the believer).

You probably have word of knowledge / word of wisdom operating in your life without even knowing it. We all probably think we're that smart but it's actually God revealing certain information to us that we attribute to our own thinking/understanding. But we're really not that clever. We just think we are.

My faith is dependent upon the word of God not tongues which have according to the word of God ceased. Faith cometh by hearing and hearing the word of God.

Well, I'll be praying for you to hear to the point of faith concerning the manifestation of the Spirit.

And yet no one can demonstrate from the scriptures that the tongues of today are biblical. All that is ever offered is anecdotal evidence but no biblical foundation is laid.

You have shunned the biblical foundation concerning the manifestation as laid out in the pages of this thread.

Yet the modern Gentile church is captivated by this phenomenon almost to the exclusion of all else.

Oh, I don't know about that. Do you go to a "gentile" church?

I attend a church which focuses on the study of Scripture and caring for / ministering to those in need.

 

[notuptome]

And when I hear tongues, I think of the Day of Pentecost in Acts 2, when the prophecy of Joel was fulfilled (Acts 2:17-18). I also think of Acts 10 when gentiles were afforded this great grace of receiving Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues (Acts 10:44-46).

Peter said that it was not a fulfillment of Joel 2. In Acts 10 the Gentiles spoke in tongues so the Jews would see that the same Holy Spirit was in the Gentiles that was in the Jews. Historically the Jews hated the Gentiles and did not want them to be saved.

Yes. And because every believer is indwelt from the moment of conversion, the Holy Spirit is able to energize the manifestation within the believer as shown in 1 Cor 12:8-10.

Tongues is not the only manifestation --- there is also word of wisdom; word of knowledge; faith; gifts of healing; working of miracles; interpretation of tongues; prophecy. This is all the manifestation (outward evidence of the working of Holy Spirit within the believer).

You probably have word of knowledge / word of wisdom operating in your life without even knowing it. We all probably think we're that smart but it's actually God revealing certain information to us that we attribute ...

Does your entire theology center on the gifts of the Spirit?

Well, I'll be praying for you to hear to the point of faith concerning the manifestation of the Spirit.

Relax I have been filled by the Holy Spirit many times.

You have shunned the biblical foundation concerning the manifestation as laid out in the pages of this thread.

Really? No one has demonstrated from the scriptures the nature of tongues whether they be ecstatic utterances or human languages. One say yea the other says nay. God is not the author of such confusion.

Oh, I don't know about that. Do you go to a "gentile" church?

I attend a church which focuses on the study of Scripture and caring for / ministering to those in need.

I won't contest your statements but I suspect that the vast majority of those in attendance are not Jewish let alone unsaved Jews.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

The bible is a mirror not a magnifying glass.

 

[notuptome]

It is clear that there is a public and private use of the gift of tongues in scripture. Plainly revealed when the apostle Paul says, "Yet in the church I'd rather speak five intelligible words than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue." Emphasis on "in the church" meaning he does it outside the church. He does it privately.

Then of course we have scripture stating that in our use of tongues we are praising in the spirit and that is all good and well but it doesn't edify anyone else because they don't understand you. Notice however the person is privately praising the Lord in tongues? There again is a personal use. Also in Corinthians the apostle Paul speaks of "singing in the spirit" and "praying in the spirit" as opposed to singing and praying with understanding. He is speaking of singing and praying in tongues. Another personal use of tongues. Also in Jude 20 "building up your most holy faith' praying in the Holy Spirit (tongues).

Scripture is most definitely clear. The gift of tongues can be used privately and publicly (with interpretation).

Really? You really assume way to much to have any credibility on the subject.

Jude 10 does not suggest tongues. Praying in the Holy Spirit is not praying in tongues.

Jas 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

Romans 1:19 ¶ Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

The bible is a mirror not a magnifying glass.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Peter said that it was not a fulfillment of Joel 2.

Peter said it was fulfillment of words spoken by the prophet Joel.

Acts 2:

14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Does your entire theology center on the gifts of the Spirit?

Does yours? (rhetorical question which does not require an answer).

The reason we are discussing the manifestation of the Spirit is because that is the topic of the thread.

Relax I have been filled by the Holy Spirit many times.

Are you sure it is not one filling of the Holy Spirit at the time a person is born again?

And God then works within His child many times over the course of his/her lifetime after he/she is born again?

Is that the same as being "filled by the Holy Spirit many times"?

You have shunned the biblical foundation concerning the manifestation as laid out in the pages of this thread.

Really? No one has demonstrated from the scriptures the nature of tongues whether they be ecstatic utterances or human languages. One say yea the other says nay. God is not the author of such confusion.

God has clarified in Scripture that the "nature of tongues" is as He energizes and as He gives utterance. As it is God Who energizes / gives the utterance and, as you properly state, God is not the author of confusion, when the manifestation is properly utilized, it will be decent and in order. Emphasis on proper utilization of the manifestation.

 

[UnderGrace]

reneweddaybyday,

1 Cor 14.22 “tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not”.

So if tongues are for them that believe not as per scripture, and the fake is indistinguishable from the real, because it only a spiritual thing (science cannot confirm or deny) then it would seem that God has failed miserably at manifesting His Power and Glory through this angelic prayer language.

It would seem to me that it would be so much more amazing in how God manifests himself to the world, (ie them that

believe not) if when the researchers look at all samples of this unintelligible language from both believers and unbelievers the

real manifestation of God would be evident and distinct in the two samples, since it is after all supernatural, a gift of the Holy

Spirit.

No, it is not. Because God energizes the manifestation within a believer.

A non-believer is not energized by God. So it is not the same, no matter how the "phenomena" appears in the physical realm.




It is not the "exact same thing". Your scientific findings are incapable of registering the spiritual aspect of the manifestation.




I continue in the discussion because you lump the genuine manifestation in with the activities of those whose ministry is to harm the witness of the believer to a dying world.

When God energizes the manifestation in the life of the believer, it is not the same as your perception of the manifestation.




The energizing by God within the believer is not "false psychological experience".

The energizing by God within the believer is the manifestation of the Spirit.




Yes, God sure does have a lot more to offer believers than any doctrine of man. You know more about the doctrine of man than you do about the manifestation of the Spirit.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

So if tongues are for them that believe not as per scripture, and the fake is indistinguishable from the real, because it only a spiritual thing (science cannot confirm or deny) then it would seem that God has failed miserably at manifesting His Power and Glory through this angelic prayer language.

It would seem to me that it would be so much more amazing in how God manifests himself to the world, (ie them that

believe not) if when the researchers look at all samples of this unintelligible language from both believers and unbelievers the

real manifestation of God would be evident and distinct in the two samples, since it is after all supernatural, a gift of the Holy

Spirit.

Please note, the setting in 1 Cor 14:22 is a church congregation, not a laboratory or a psychologist's office.

Focusing on a scientific study or a psychological analysis in looking at tongues as a sign to unbelievers and ignore the setting in which God designed the manifestation to be utilized (the Church) is inconclusive in your determination that there is no benefit to the manifestation. 1 Cor 12:7 clearly states that the manifestation of the Spirit is profitable. Since God declares it is profitable, who are we to tell Him there is no profit, or that "God failed miserably at manifesting His Power and Glory"????

That some do not recognize the profit (or benefit) to the body of Christ does not mean there is no benefit.

 

[RickyZ]

reneweddaybyday,

1 Cor 14.22 “tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not”.

So if tongues are for them that believe not as per scripture, and the fake is indistinguishable from the real, because it only a spiritual thing (science cannot confirm or deny) then it would seem that God has failed miserably at manifesting His Power and Glory through this angelic prayer language.

It would seem to me that it would be so much more amazing in how God manifests himself to the world, (ie them that

believe not) if when the researchers look at all samples of this unintelligible language from both believers and unbelievers the

real manifestation of God would be evident and distinct in the two samples, since it is after all supernatural, a gift of the Holy

Spirit.

So you believe scientists over God.

Interesting faith you got going there.

"God has failed miserably". I think I'ma gonna stand a bit away for when that lightning bolt hits...

 

[fredoheaven]

Peter said it was fulfillment of words spoken by the prophet Joel.

Acts 2:

14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Hi sir!

I have searched out scriptures whether this is actually the fulfillment of what Prophet Joel spoken but I failed. in so far as the rendering of the scriptures, that this is what like what the Prophet Joel is talking about but not its fulfillment.
Notice in the Bible that if the OT prophecy has been fulfilled, the scriptures always carry the word “fulfilled”. In the book of Acts 2, it does not. So this is not that it might fulfill which was spoken by Prophet Joel.

Now, in consideration, that this thing has been fulfilled, then are we to have another fulfillment when it was already fulfilled? Can a fulfilled prophecy have another fulfillment? I believe it NO!

So the point is, this is not the fulfillment of the prophecy of Joel. But, what about this is a part fulfillment? Maybe yes but I still need to study it first…

God bless.

Matthew 1:22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
Matthew 2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.
Matthew 2:17 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying,
Matthew 2:23 And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might befulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene.
Matthew 4:14 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,
Matthew 8:17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.
Matthew 12:17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,
Acts 1:16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.

 

[TMS]

Some people speak English others German, others Russian and many, many others, What languish is spoken in heaven?
The Heavenly tongue, English fails to communicate compared to the heavenly language.
The Holy spirit makes intercession and translates our tongue into the Heavenly tongue, Only God can translate our prayers and thoughts because only God can read our hearts. Our thoughts aren't changed they're just made understandable.
If i don't know what i'm saying and i'm not choosing to say it, it is useless.
If i don't know what is being said or don't want to hear it, it's useless.

Don't complicate something that is simple.
If someone speaks in English and everyone that wants to hear only knows french, than the Holy Spirit can cause the words spoken in English to be heard in French. (a Miracle from God)

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Hi sir!

I have searched out scriptures whether this is actually the fulfillment of what Prophet Joel spoken but I failed.

Hi fredoheaven,

When Scripture indicates something was spoken by the prophets, we will not find any writing. Apparently, Joel spoke words God told him to speak and Joel wrote words God told him to write. If it is written, we can search and find where it is written. In Acts 2, Peter did not say "this is that which was written by the prophet, Joel". Peter said this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel.

 

[notuptome]

Peter said it was fulfillment of words spoken by the prophet Joel.

Acts 2:

14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Peter is explaining what is going on to the crowd. He is calling to mind that which Joel prophesied to Israel. Peter cites the passage including the wonders in heaven that are not present at Pentecost. So this is only a partial fulfillment of the prophecy. This is the promised filling of the Holy Spirit with power. This is not a baptism.

Are you sure it is not one filling of the Holy Spirit at the time a person is born again?

And God then works within His child many times over the course of his/her lifetime after he/she is born again?

One baptism unto salvation many fillings to serve.

Is that the same as being "filled by the Holy Spirit many times"?

Lu 12:11 And when they bring you unto the synagogues, and unto magistrates, and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say:
Lu 21:14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:

Lu 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

God has clarified in Scripture that the "nature of tongues" is as He energizes and as He gives utterance. As it is God Who energizes / gives the utterance and, as you properly state, God is not the author of confusion, when the manifestation is properly utilized, it will be decent and in order. Emphasis on proper utilization of the manifestation.

And yet the question goes unanswered. Are tongues human languages or ecstatic utterances? Human languages unknown to the hearer and requiring an interpreter or ecstatic utterances that could be anything and even with interpretation remain subject to the interpreter?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

The bible is a mirror not a magnifying glass.

 

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Hi fredoheaven,

When Scripture indicates something was spoken by the prophets, we will not find any writing. Apparently, Joel spoke words God told him to speak and Joel wrote words God told him to write. If it is written, we can search and find where it is written. In Acts 2, Peter did not say "this is that which was written by the prophet, Joel". Peter said this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel.

Really?

2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

What Joel spoke is what Joel wrote because the Holy Spirit moved him to do so.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

The bible is a mirror not a magnifying glass