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I agree, there are kinder ways, and I have tried most of them.
It is interesting to note what hogwash is in actuality. Which is the way that I meant it.
That I can no longer answer this person in these kinder ways is why he is now on my ignore list. If something is an occasion for sin, then leave it behind.
Do you suppose that it is kind to compare another who believes in Jesus to the Antichrist? That seems to be okay, since they are quoting scripture.
I could have quoted from Matt, but chose not to. Very strong stuff from Jesus about those who draw near to God with their mouth, but in their hearts are far away.
Anyway, I will not read nor respond to his posts in the future, unless directed by the Spirit.
Also, it would be perhaps a good idea to go back and read what I had such a disagreement with. It has to do with faith which is counted by God as righteousness. If we teach this wrong, we condemn those who might not know the truth to at best years of darkness.
And in closing, I am sorry that you felt that you had to call me down. I thought about it and prayed about it, and hogwash was not seen in my heart as an obscenity or as perverse. Not nice, but not sin. However, if you are offended, then it is sin and I repent.
It is interesting to note what hogwash is in actuality. Which is the way that I meant it.
That I can no longer answer this person in these kinder ways is why he is now on my ignore list. If something is an occasion for sin, then leave it behind.
Do you suppose that it is kind to compare another who believes in Jesus to the Antichrist? That seems to be okay, since they are quoting scripture.
I could have quoted from Matt, but chose not to. Very strong stuff from Jesus about those who draw near to God with their mouth, but in their hearts are far away.
Anyway, I will not read nor respond to his posts in the future, unless directed by the Spirit.
Also, it would be perhaps a good idea to go back and read what I had such a disagreement with. It has to do with faith which is counted by God as righteousness. If we teach this wrong, we condemn those who might not know the truth to at best years of darkness.
And in closing, I am sorry that you felt that you had to call me down. I thought about it and prayed about it, and hogwash was not seen in my heart as an obscenity or as perverse. Not nice, but not sin. However, if you are offended, then it is sin and I repent.
I REPEAT...
VW,
The reason that you ignore certain posters is because you do not want the light and conviction that comes from the word and the Holy Spirit in their posts that witnesses the truth with your spirit. You ignore it and put it aside as if it it worthless and of no value because it does not conform to your understanding or experience. You have made the Spirit of truth a spirit of rejection when it comes to the written word and the understanding that believers receive from it through the Holy Spirit and through faith.
You exercise faith in the Spirit and what you believe and claim the Spirit is telling you and esteem that above the written word that we all have been given of God and inspired of the Holy Spirit. You do not recognize the Holy Spirit in the life of others that disagree with your understanding because you are adamant that yours came from the Spirit through your own experience. You have mentioned in former threads, that you believe the scriptures to be something created by God to help guide us but that it has no authority as God's written word and is therefore of no use without the Spirit.
In saying that, you have contradicted the very nature of the written word and the person and work of the one who inspired it and the one that is testifies and reveals as the living God, who was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world and received up into glory (1Tim 3:16).
VW,
The reason that you ignore certain posters is because you do not want the light and conviction that comes from the word and the Holy Spirit in their posts that witnesses the truth with your spirit. You ignore it and put it aside as if it it worthless and of no value because it does not conform to your understanding or experience. You have made the Spirit of truth a spirit of rejection when it comes to the written word and the understanding that believers receive from it through the Holy Spirit and through faith.
You exercise faith in the Spirit and what you believe and claim the Spirit is telling you and esteem that above the written word that we all have been given of God and inspired of the Holy Spirit. You do not recognize the Holy Spirit in the life of others that disagree with your understanding because you are adamant that yours came from the Spirit through your own experience. You have mentioned in former threads, that you believe the scriptures to be something created by God to help guide us but that it has no authority as God's written word and is therefore of no use without the Spirit.
In saying that, you have contradicted the very nature of the written word and the person and work of the one who inspired it and the one that is testifies and reveals as the living God, who was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world and received up into glory (1Tim 3:16).
Faith? Jesus said this:
If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; but if I do them, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father.
Many preach that salvation is by reading the bible and believing the testimony that is contained therein. And then, because the basis of their belief is the bible, anything that disagrees with how they see the bible is if not blasphemy, then it is very wrong. And because there is no spiritual component in this belief system, there can be no contact with God in a spiritual way.
This kind of faith kills. Jesus taught that His Father is searching for those who will worship Him in spirit and in truth. This kind of faith brings life.
If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; but if I do them, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father.
Many preach that salvation is by reading the bible and believing the testimony that is contained therein. And then, because the basis of their belief is the bible, anything that disagrees with how they see the bible is if not blasphemy, then it is very wrong. And because there is no spiritual component in this belief system, there can be no contact with God in a spiritual way.
This kind of faith kills. Jesus taught that His Father is searching for those who will worship Him in spirit and in truth. This kind of faith brings life.
haha!
i've got quite a number of posts, you haven't been here long, so you don't know.
what you do see is total resistence to the claims of modern day prophets and apostles - because it is BOGUS.
but......... no evidence from scripture or history that the offices of prophet and apostle continued.
there's ample proof from scripture and history that they ceased, and were intended to cease with canon.
they were partial, and foundational: the sum total of the works from those offices is known as THE FAITH.
no continuationist attempts to say they continued, rather that they are being miraculously restored - yet not one can give a plausible reason for God doing so. He most certainly does NOT say He will reinstitute those offces for the church.
here's a brief article regarding closed canon:
Prophecy and the Closed Canon, Part 2
Selected Scriptures Code: A232
John MacArthur
How the Biblical Canon Was Chosen and Closed
Jude 3 is a crucial passage on the completeness of our Bibles. This statement, penned by Jude before the New Testament was complete, nevertheless looked forward to the completion of the entire canon:
Note also the crucial phrase "once for all" in Jude 3. The Greek word here is hapax, which refers to something done for all time, with lasting results, never needing repetition. Nothing needs to be added to the faith that has been delivered "once for all."
George Lawlor, who has written an excellent work on Jude, made the following comment:
And so through the Scriptures God has given us a body of teaching that is final and complete. Our Christian faith rests on historical, objective revelation. That rules out all inspired prophecies, seers, and other forms of new revelation until God speaks again at the return of Christ (cf. Acts 2:16-21; Rev. 11:1-13).
In the meantime, Scripture warns us to be wary of false prophets. Jesus said that in our age "false christs and false prophets will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect" (Matt. 24:24). Signs and wonders alone are no proof that a person speaks for God. John wrote, "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world" (1 John 4:1).
Ultimately, Scripture is the test of everything; it is the Christian's standard. In fact, the word canon means "a rule, standard, or measuring rod." The canon of Scripture is the measuring rod of the Christian faith, and it is complete.
http://www.gty.org/Resources/Print/articles/3155
i've got quite a number of posts, you haven't been here long, so you don't know.
what you do see is total resistence to the claims of modern day prophets and apostles - because it is BOGUS.
but......... no evidence from scripture or history that the offices of prophet and apostle continued.
there's ample proof from scripture and history that they ceased, and were intended to cease with canon.
they were partial, and foundational: the sum total of the works from those offices is known as THE FAITH.
no continuationist attempts to say they continued, rather that they are being miraculously restored - yet not one can give a plausible reason for God doing so. He most certainly does NOT say He will reinstitute those offces for the church.
here's a brief article regarding closed canon:
Prophecy and the Closed Canon, Part 2
Selected Scriptures Code: A232
John MacArthur
How the Biblical Canon Was Chosen and Closed
Jude 3 is a crucial passage on the completeness of our Bibles. This statement, penned by Jude before the New Testament was complete, nevertheless looked forward to the completion of the entire canon:
Beloved, while I was making every effort to write to you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. (Jude 3)
In the Greek text the definite article preceding "faith" points to the one and only faith: "the faith." There is no other. Such passages as Galatians 1:23 ("He who once persecuted us is now preaching the faith") and 1 Timothy 4:1 ("In latter times some will fall away from the faith") indicate this objective use of the expression "the faith" was common in apostolic times. Greek scholar Henry Alford wrote that the faith is "objective here: the sum of that which Christians believe" (Alford's Greek Testament, 4:530).
Note also the crucial phrase "once for all" in Jude 3. The Greek word here is hapax, which refers to something done for all time, with lasting results, never needing repetition. Nothing needs to be added to the faith that has been delivered "once for all."
George Lawlor, who has written an excellent work on Jude, made the following comment:
The Christian faith is unchangeable, which is not to say that men and women of every generation do not need to find it, experience it, and live it; but it does mean that every new doctrine that arises, even though its legitimacy may be plausibly asserted, is a false doctrine. All claims to convey some additional revelation to that which has been given by God in this body of truth are false claims and must be rejected. (Jude, 45).
Also important in Jude 3 is the word "delivered." In the Greek it is an aorist passive participle, which in this context indicates an act completed in the past with no continuing element. In this instance the passive voice means the faith was not discovered by men, but given to men by God. How did He do that? Through His Word--the Bible.
And so through the Scriptures God has given us a body of teaching that is final and complete. Our Christian faith rests on historical, objective revelation. That rules out all inspired prophecies, seers, and other forms of new revelation until God speaks again at the return of Christ (cf. Acts 2:16-21; Rev. 11:1-13).
In the meantime, Scripture warns us to be wary of false prophets. Jesus said that in our age "false christs and false prophets will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect" (Matt. 24:24). Signs and wonders alone are no proof that a person speaks for God. John wrote, "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world" (1 John 4:1).
Ultimately, Scripture is the test of everything; it is the Christian's standard. In fact, the word canon means "a rule, standard, or measuring rod." The canon of Scripture is the measuring rod of the Christian faith, and it is complete.
http://www.gty.org/Resources/Print/articles/3155
i'm well aware dear - i've never been pretrib, and i follow events closely, and know what the bible says.
as i mentioned, i could gather quite a following just using my knowledge of geo-politics, history, secret societies, religions and the corruptions of Christian theology and eschatology to make pretty accurate predictions that will actually come to pass....i could say "God told me", and that i am "operating in the prophetic"...but i would be lying.
still no explanation for the new offices of prophet and apostle - how are they going to help the Church in the hard times?
from what i understand through their own writings (including a member here who has liad it out) is they are to come along and stir up the "workers" who are slacking off, have decided the Lord isn't coming and so on....get them back to their service.
apparently the new kids also have the authority to correct doctrines and discipline teachers and pastors.
they are also commissioned to pass on threats of condemnation from Jesus. i just wish they would get some scribes and get all this stuff to the printer so we could at least have a fighting chance of knowing what God's Plan is.
sound about right?
as i mentioned, i could gather quite a following just using my knowledge of geo-politics, history, secret societies, religions and the corruptions of Christian theology and eschatology to make pretty accurate predictions that will actually come to pass....i could say "God told me", and that i am "operating in the prophetic"...but i would be lying.
still no explanation for the new offices of prophet and apostle - how are they going to help the Church in the hard times?
from what i understand through their own writings (including a member here who has liad it out) is they are to come along and stir up the "workers" who are slacking off, have decided the Lord isn't coming and so on....get them back to their service.
apparently the new kids also have the authority to correct doctrines and discipline teachers and pastors.
they are also commissioned to pass on threats of condemnation from Jesus. i just wish they would get some scribes and get all this stuff to the printer so we could at least have a fighting chance of knowing what God's Plan is.
sound about right?
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ok since the Bible gives testimony of Jesus what is the problem?
Spirit and Truth? God inspired the Bible is truth so now how do you know you have the HOLY Spirit and not some Deceiving spirit?
oh yeah if it lines up with the BIBLICAL teachings of Jesus Christ: like love God first and foremost, your neighbors as yourself, blessing your enemies, etc.
sorry saying that people who value the Bible must not have the Holy Spirit does not line up with what God tells me.
When I see something that resembles what my Heavenly Father has said, I'll be sure to note it.
Spirit and Truth? God inspired the Bible is truth so now how do you know you have the HOLY Spirit and not some Deceiving spirit?
oh yeah if it lines up with the BIBLICAL teachings of Jesus Christ: like love God first and foremost, your neighbors as yourself, blessing your enemies, etc.
sorry saying that people who value the Bible must not have the Holy Spirit does not line up with what God tells me.
When I see something that resembles what my Heavenly Father has said, I'll be sure to note it.
you could at least learn to read with comprehension.
as usual, Jesus was talking to the Pharisees and a mixed crowd of jews, some believers, some not.
He was referring to the Miracles he was able to perform, the works of His Father - He said fi they didn't believe in Him, they should be believing by the works He performed....MIRACLES
what's that got to do with you hearing a voice and condemning the church for trusting the Bible and the Holy Spirit?
its amazing how many times you can post such sacrilege and get away with it (for now anyways):
Many preach that salvation is by reading the bible and believing the testimony that is contained therein.
And because there is no spiritual component in this belief system, there can be no contact with God in a spiritual way.
^^^^^ pure rubbish ^^^^^signature of the modern day prophet^^^^^^
as usual, Jesus was talking to the Pharisees and a mixed crowd of jews, some believers, some not.
He was referring to the Miracles he was able to perform, the works of His Father - He said fi they didn't believe in Him, they should be believing by the works He performed....MIRACLES
what's that got to do with you hearing a voice and condemning the church for trusting the Bible and the Holy Spirit?
its amazing how many times you can post such sacrilege and get away with it (for now anyways):
Many preach that salvation is by reading the bible and believing the testimony that is contained therein.
And because there is no spiritual component in this belief system, there can be no contact with God in a spiritual way.
^^^^^ pure rubbish ^^^^^signature of the modern day prophet^^^^^^
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It may have been asked already...why would we need new prophets? why would we need new Apostles?
For those who prescribe to the new teachings, what are your thoughts and reasons for this new thing?
Of coarse you know the movement is tearing at the foundation, so im very curious how you went for it.
How do you think it fits in with the great apostacy predicted for the end times, and that it calls for a great
revival when that is not predicted, in fact the opposite is supposed to happen...like a low opinion for scripture.
For those who prescribe to the new teachings, what are your thoughts and reasons for this new thing?
Of coarse you know the movement is tearing at the foundation, so im very curious how you went for it.
How do you think it fits in with the great apostacy predicted for the end times, and that it calls for a great
revival when that is not predicted, in fact the opposite is supposed to happen...like a low opinion for scripture.
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I believe it fits in perfectly with the final apostasy prophesy.
God has not changed. He is the same today as he was in NT times. He gave us all the info we need to be saved, And how to act as a christian and as a church. He does not need to give us new information. If he did, he would not have left his book incomplete.
People only have one excuse for feeling the need for new information not contained in scripture. Or rejecting scripture as the ultimate authority. Scripture does not back their beliefs. If scripture proved everything they believed, they would not need outside sources.
God warned us of these people. We should heed God's warning!
God has not changed. He is the same today as he was in NT times. He gave us all the info we need to be saved, And how to act as a christian and as a church. He does not need to give us new information. If he did, he would not have left his book incomplete.
People only have one excuse for feeling the need for new information not contained in scripture. Or rejecting scripture as the ultimate authority. Scripture does not back their beliefs. If scripture proved everything they believed, they would not need outside sources.
God warned us of these people. We should heed God's warning!
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doubtful since you have no clue what Abiding or I believe or have experienced.
again people believer that you have a low opinion of scripture because you believe your "spirit" can utter things that do not line up with scripture and its ok not to clarify or explain but instead "ignore" any thing that is asked.
people think you have a low opinion of scripture because you elevate your personal revelations above God's revealed and written words.
again people believer that you have a low opinion of scripture because you believe your "spirit" can utter things that do not line up with scripture and its ok not to clarify or explain but instead "ignore" any thing that is asked.
people think you have a low opinion of scripture because you elevate your personal revelations above God's revealed and written words.
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What are my beliefs?...dont remember ever discussing them with you.
And really.....dont act like your being falsely treated.
Your the one who goes on and on how the bible is only the words and not Jesus...like da...
Or how most christians are using the bible only, and without the Spirit...like we are suppossed to think youve gone over the world watching and examining
people through a long period. And have some supernatural gift of assessment.
You become lovingly intollerant when it comes to answering questions that will put light to the fog of what you claim.
For instance when i first got here and every sence then ive continued to ask you how you aquire prophecies, by an audible voice? or by instant
thoughts, or by automatic writing. And you answer by going off on something else.
And again for the 3rd time at least..you really need to cut back on your presumptions and dialogue with questions and answers and facts.
So if I dont seem trusting toward you or have a bit of intollerance then its becuase I think you waffle and whine and continue...but never put your cards on the table.
And really.....dont act like your being falsely treated.
Your the one who goes on and on how the bible is only the words and not Jesus...like da...
Or how most christians are using the bible only, and without the Spirit...like we are suppossed to think youve gone over the world watching and examining
people through a long period. And have some supernatural gift of assessment.
You become lovingly intollerant when it comes to answering questions that will put light to the fog of what you claim.
For instance when i first got here and every sence then ive continued to ask you how you aquire prophecies, by an audible voice? or by instant
thoughts, or by automatic writing. And you answer by going off on something else.
And again for the 3rd time at least..you really need to cut back on your presumptions and dialogue with questions and answers and facts.
So if I dont seem trusting toward you or have a bit of intollerance then its becuase I think you waffle and whine and continue...but never put your cards on the table.