Apostles, Prophets, Teachers,...

[AnandaHya]

That would actually help you to grow into Jesus more than you know.

i'm sorry where does God tell us to go speak in tongues?

1 Corinthians 14:17-19
New King James Version (NKJV)
17 For you indeed give thanks well, but the other is not edified.
18 I thank my God I speak with tongues more than you all; 19 yet in the church I would rather speak five words with my understanding, that I may teach others also, than ten thousand words in a tongue.

mmm what are we suppose to be doing to grow in Christ???

2 Peter 1

2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, 3 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.
10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

don't let VW fool you, he's been reading the Bible for years before his "encounter" He has the words in his head but doesn't think it is important to check the written word or the scripture before uttering whatever the "spirit" has him say. Zone you might have forgotten he is supposedly have us on "ignore" and can't read our words.

that is how the "spirit" tells him to love his brothers and sisters <shrugs>

i always thought ignoring people was more rude then loving but perhaps God hasn't given him the strength to overcome or correctly answer yet.

maybe God doesn't make His prophets the same as He used to?

Matthew 10
17 But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to councils and scourge you in their synagogues. 18 You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. 19 But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak; 20 for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.

Luke 6:34-36
New King James Version (NKJV)
34 And if you lend to those from whom you hope to receive back, what credit is that to you? For even sinners lend to sinners to receive as much back. 35 But love your enemies, do good, and lend, hoping for nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High. For He is kind to the unthankful and evil. 36 Therefore be merciful, just as your Father also is merciful.

I ask, if you speak only to those who agree with you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do as much.

 

[Red33]

Red, Red, Red. There's a new and better way today. One can literally hear God speak to them. Matter of fact, if you truly had the Spirit of Christ within you, you'd know this. Don't get me wrong Red......the Word is something to be respected. But God's literal voice is better.....and it is there for all who are willing to believe. All one needs is "faith". Now excuse me while I go and practice speaking in tongues.

Unclefester,

You know, there will be people that read what was posted and in their spirit they will witness that it is truth, but will never confirm the truth through faith and they go on believing what they believe, even if it contradicts that witness of truth they received (Rom 8:16, 9:1, 1Jn 5:6,10a). They may use a prior experience to validate what they believe contrary to what is witnessed in their spirit. I have always wondered why that is because God is a faithful witness (Rev 1:5, 1Cor 1:9,10) and desires that we walk in truth (3Jn 1:4). But there is something in the heart that does not allow for them to confirm the truth that the Holy Spirit has witnessed to their spirit. Is it prejudice, is it pride, is it the flesh, is it a carnal mind, is it denominational thinking through preference, is it a combination of some of these or something else? There seems to be some kind of thinking that we get yoked up with that only the anointing of God can break (Is 10:27). If this yoke is not broken by the anointing then the body of Christ will not be edified and come to the unity of the faith in the will of God (Eph 4:13, 1Cor 1:10).

 

[zone]

January 21st, 2011 VW

"The danger of a scripturally based faith"......

But we do not even know Jesus.

Why? Because we have a faith based upon scripture.

His sheep hear His voice.

This is the basis of their faith.

And this faith is like the faith Abraham had, who heard the voice of the Lord and believed, and this belief was counted to him as righteousness.

THIS "FAITH" requires a sign.

this "faith" is CARNAL, and requires sensations. this is a childish and deluded sustitution for mature faith and trust in God according TO HIS REVEALED WILL IN HIS WORD.

this "FAITH" does NOT trust what God has SPOKEN IN HIS ORDAINED COMMUNICATION WITH MAN in these last days, this "faith" does NOT believe His Word is authoritative and sufficient, does NOT believe that CANON is closed.

this "faith" RARELY remains focused on The Author and Finisher of real faith, rarely points to Christ Crucified for our sins, NEVER discusses the birth of the REAL CHURCH and the foundation laid once for all in the First Century by His CHOSEN FIRSTFRUITS.

this "faith" is NOT the faith of Abraham.

 

[unclefester]

Yes, that is my testimony, part of it. The rest is not to be shared with you.

And in this, how have I discredited the bible? In no way at all. My misuse of scripture, absolutely. The way that I was taught to believe in scripture? Yes.

You judge me, based upon beliefs which you have and which I reject. These beliefs lead me into deep deception, and almost cost me my life in God. He was merciful to me, and revealed to me the error of my beliefs. For that I am eternally grateful, because He did not have to deliver me from my deceptions. He choose to do so.

That you ridicule this, is your loss, not mine. That I am disturbed by your ridicule is a loss for me, because I believe that if I was a better servant you would see rather than mock.

In Christ,
vic

They are your words VW........and your accountability.

 

[zone]

I ask also thee, Jesus, Peter, Philip, Ananias and Paul heard of physically or spiritually? God created all things physical to show the invisible - the spiritual. For this reason I told you about the sound and voice to show the principle of these things. Physical ears to hear the voice of God would be extreme, and not necessarily!

Ephesians 5
Wives and Husbands
22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands.

25 Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, 26that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, 27 so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish.a 28 In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church, 30because we are members of his body. 31“Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” 32 This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church. 33 However, let each one of you love his wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.

~

do you know what this means necto?

25 Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, 26 that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, 27 so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish.a

 

[zone]

Dont you believe God can speak audibly? lol. I think most people that have heard God audibly would tell you that its not the only way he speaks. And for the majority it would be rarely the way He would speak. God has spoken to me powerfuly in many ways. I think one of the most common ways that He speaks is through His word, whether it be by revealing His nature and ways when you read it (Discernment of spirits) or simply giving you understanding that applies to your life, by that word. One of the functions of the Holy Spirit is to illuminate the word. The Holy Spirit may also speak to your spirit in the still small voice, or with a picture, or impress His heart upon you. Its a rare thing i think for God to speak audibly, but He can and does speak this way. And if He speaks, no matter how Chooses to do it, its gonna effect more than just your body.

1) of course i believe He CAN speak audibly. please finish up with this infantile ping pong about voices.
let's get to YOU.

2) how many times has he spoken to YOU audibly? this would be such a tremendously memorable occassion you will know exactly how many times He has spoken to YOU audibly, where you were, exactly what He said, what it sounded like, what was THE PURPOSE of His choice to speak audibly to you, and what you did and are doing with the information.

3) if YOU have not heard God's audible voice coming from outside yourself, how many people do you know who claim they have? since you are part of the NAR, is it fair to say most, many or some of your group claim this?

remember - this is what APOSTLES AND PROPHETS were given for in the First Century...walking with and learning DIRECTLY from Jesus Christ (including Paul who learned from the Risen Christ), and hearing directly from the Holy Spirit concerning NEW REVELATION, for the laying of the foundation. according to you the foundation is continually being laid.

since you and your group are NAR...please give detailed information that is qualitatively EQUAL to or surpasses holy scripture. you will need proof of supernatural abilities to work signs, wonders and even miracles as support and witness to your authority and the message: which WILL ALWAYS BE THE TEACHINGS OF THE LORD.


let's see some proof.

 

[unclefester]

THIS "FAITH" requires a sign.

this "faith" is CARNAL, and requires sensations. this is a childish and deluded sustitution for mature faith and trust in God according TO HIS REVEALED WILL IN HIS WORD.

this "FAITH" does NOT trust what God has SPOKEN IN HIS ORDAINED COMMUNICATION WITH MAN in these last days, this "faith" does NOT believe His Word is authoritative and sufficient, does NOT believe that CANON is closed.

this "faith" RARELY remains focused on The Author and Finisher of real faith, rarely points to Christ Crucified for our sins, NEVER discusses the birth of the REAL CHURCH and the foundation laid once for all in the First Century by His CHOSEN FIRSTFRUITS.

this "faith" is NOT the faith of Abraham.

I could not agree more Zone.

 

[zone]

maybe God doesn't make His prophets the same as He used to?

Matthew 10
17 But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to councils and scourge you in their synagogues. 18 You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. 19 But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak; 20 for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.

it appears the new Prophets and Apostles are not like the old ones, and have disclaimers to deflect accountability.


SPIRIT OF ERROR: a biblical response to the modern prophets and apostles movement
Spirit Of Error Blog Archive The &#8216;Word of the Lord for 2010&#8242; &#8212; Maybe, Possibly, It Could Be

no marvel, then.....

 

[VW]

They are your words VW........and your accountability.

Yeah, well, I stand behind what I wrote.

 

[VW]

I could not agree more Zone.

What scripture was there when Abraham believed? Abraham lived several generations before Moses, and was Moses' great, great, great something or other grandfather. And Moses is credited with penning the first 5 books of scripture.

Abraham believed God when He told him that he would have a child by Sarah.

Hmmmmm?????

What faith are we teaching the children of God?

Faith that is not faith at all. Faith that does not lead to righteousness.

but you have your faith, and I hope that it serves you in the end.

 

[Lifelike]

1) of course i believe He CAN speak audibly. please finish up with this infantile ping pong about voices.
let's get to YOU.

2) how many times has he spoken to YOU audibly? this would be such a tremendously memorable occassion you will know exactly how many times He has spoken to YOU audibly, where you were, exactly what He said, what it sounded like, what was THE PURPOSE of His choice to speak audibly to you, and what you did and are doing with the information.

3) if YOU have not heard God's audible voice coming from outside yourself, how many people do you know who claim they have? since you are part of the NAR, is it fair to say most, many or some of your group claim this?

remember - this is what APOSTLES AND PROPHETS were given for in the First Century...walking with and learning DIRECTLY from Jesus Christ (including Paul who learned from the Risen Christ), and hearing directly from the Holy Spirit concerning NEW REVELATION, for the laying of the foundation. according to you the foundation is continually being laid.

since you and your group are NAR...please give detailed information that is qualitatively EQUAL to or surpasses holy scripture. you will need proof of supernatural abilities to work signs, wonders and even miracles as support and witness to your authority and the message: which WILL ALWAYS BE THE TEACHINGS OF THE LORD.


let's see some proof.

So u believe He can but He doesnt, because this kind of thing was only for the first century apostles and prophets. Of which you have no proof.

2/ I have never personally heard Him speak audibly. Although I would love to! The closest to this was not long after I was born again. when I was 19 years old. I was working as a kitchen hand, in a major Casino, and i was cleaning some pots at the pot wash area. I heard in my spirit the word "manifest". It was probably more than what i would call the still small voice, it was loud on the inside of me, and seemed to come out from the inside of me. I had never experienced this before. Straight afetr hearing this I heard the word "manifested". I did not know what the word meant at the time, it was not a word that I had in my vocabulary, but I knew it was God, and came from my spirit. I then had an experience for the rest of my shift (I was on the graveyard shift 11pm-7am) where it became really obvious to me the motives of people. People that I had known for some time and who were aquintances who were quite friendly to me I saw were not my friends and were not what they were professing. I looked down at a magazine that one of them were reading and could see in the peoples eyes in this gossip magazine that some were quite evil. (I was discerning spirits). This experience also happened at my conversion - being able to see spirits in people. I didnt know what this all was in the beginning, as I had not reference to it, and only found out many years later what was happening.

At the end of my shift I has offered a lift home from my work collegue, who was also a christian, although he was back in the world and not following God. I said no, ill be fine (I usually walked home which was a 2 hr walk) but then felt that I was meant to go with Him. As we approached his car in the car park I felt to tell him what had happened to me, but i was a little hesitant because I didnt know what he would think of me. When i told him he went white, as the blood drained from his face, and he told me that he knew what manifest meant. And that it meant that demons can manifest, and that when they did they where able to be seen, instead of being hidden. I was in wonder at all of this, as well as everything I was experiencing in God, It was sooooo cool i thought.

As we drove toward my house it became obvious that my friend was quite disturbed and afraid - probably due to the way he was currectly living his life, and the reality of the spiritual realm crashing back to him. We pulled up in my driveway, and he told me that he wanted to rededicate his life to Christ and asked whether I would lead him in a prayer of rededication. I said I dont know what to pray - ive never done this before, but ill try.. (I was a very new christian of about 3 weeks.) We closed our eyes and I began to pray. I prayed things i never knew, and I led him in a pray that astonished both of us. Because of the flow of it, the content, and the spiritual dynamic present. He thanked me, and was overwhelmed and happy, and left.

I was extremely excited and rejoicing and walked quickly up my driveway and into my house. As i walked through my dining room toward the toilet, I felt God speak to me in such a powerful way that to this day it remains one of the most amazing experiences Ive had as a christian. Each word seem to explode from the centre of my being and it felt lie every cell in my body was vibrating and living because of that voice, each word boomed from my spirit with massive force. To this day I dont know what was said. Sorry zone - either your theology is wrong or maybe I didnt listen and remember like i should, or maybe it wasnt even about that. I was so affirmed that i knew without a doubt that I was His. As I approached the toilet and was about to do my business (excuse the vulgarity but its what happened) I felt what felt like a physical hand on my head and head this same voice calling me son.

End of story.

So yes it was tremendously memorable. And i'll never forget it. And I know it was God. As too the purpose, I think i covered that - affirmation, it sounded like heaven exploding from my being, and what have I done with the information? Ive persued a genuine, real relationship with Him as a son.

3/ Yes I have heard one of my leader say he has heard the audible voice of God numerous times. Everyone I know at church operates in the prophetic to some degree or another, and have all experienced the power of God in a tangible way. I dont really care what you believe, they are my family. Its about what I believe when it comes to them. Your opinion doesnt count thank God.

I agree that the 12 apostles laid the foundation. With Christ as the chief cornerstone They where personal witnesses of Christ chosen by Him to declare what they had seen. The foundation of the temple of God needs to have as part of it the witness of those that saw the things that happened. And the fact that there are 12, that alll bare the same witness in irrefutable. Solid foundation. The prophets of the old covenant foresaw, the first apostles beheld Him in the present. This is an unshakable foundation. This foundation is not relaid. ever.

Concerning you demand of miracles to support my message, I havent personally preached Christ to the lost for a long time like I used to, and that does bother me, but when I did as a young christian, God manifested Himself in many ways continuously in healings, salvations, visions, prophetic utterance, words of knowledge, deliverance from demons, and the list goes on. I experienced these things by the power of God before I even knew what they were, and over the years these experiences have been defined to me through the understanding of the word I now have. I do know that God has worked an amazing work in me, and I have developed into a person I never thought possible. From a yound broken, abused, hopeless insecure little boy, into a man that knows God, and is full of wisdom and great treasure, all of which I can only attribute to my glorious saviour Jesus Christ and His abilty to truly redeem and glorify Himself in His saints. And I give Him all the Glory.

All these years have been for preparation for what is to come. And i look forward to being released again to work the works of God in His power. So exciting.

 

[AnandaHya]

Unclefester,

You know, there will be people that read what was posted and in their spirit they will witness that it is truth, but will never confirm the truth through faith and they go on believing what they believe, even if it contradicts that witness of truth they received (Rom 8:16, 9:1, 1Jn 5:6,10a). They may use a prior experience to validate what they believe contrary to what is witnessed in their spirit. I have always wondered why that is because God is a faithful witness (Rev 1:5, 1Cor 1:9,10) and desires that we walk in truth (3Jn 1:4). But there is something in the heart that does not allow for them to confirm the truth that the Holy Spirit has witnessed to their spirit. Is it prejudice, is it pride, is it the flesh, is it a carnal mind, is it denominational thinking through preference, is it a combination of some of these or something else? There seems to be some kind of thinking that we get yoked up with that only the anointing of God can break (Is 10:27). If this yoke is not broken by the anointing then the body of Christ will not be edified and come to the unity of the faith in the will of God (Eph 4:13, 1Cor 1:10).

which of the three would that person be compared to?


Matthew 13
18 “Therefore hear the parable of the sower: 19 When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and does not understand it, then the wicked one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is he who received seed by the wayside. 20 But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; 21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles. 22 Now he who received seed among the thorns is he who hears the word, and the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful.

 

[AnandaHya]

They are your words VW........and your accountability.

I did not realize asking for clarification and supporting scriptures of a so called "prophetic message" was mocking...mmmm, I'm glad Jesus is more tolerant.

 

[AnandaHya]

What scripture was there when Abraham believed? Abraham lived several generations before Moses, and was Moses' great, great, great something or other grandfather. And Moses is credited with penning the first 5 books of scripture.

Abraham believed God when He told him that he would have a child by Sarah.

Hmmmmm?????

What faith are we teaching the children of God?

Faith that is not faith at all. Faith that does not lead to righteousness.

but you have your faith, and I hope that it serves you in the end.

we don't teach, God does. we just speak the words God has given us to speak.

you shouldn't stand behind your words but instead ask God if He stands behind them and you. If God justifies you and your actions or if you are seeking to justify yourself to the detriment of speaking the Gospel of Christ unto salvation of the world..... well on the off chance you might read this.

do you still speak to people about how JESUS saves? salvation takes a few steps.

1. hearing the word of faith preached
2. believing in your heart unto righteousness
3. confessing with your mouth unto salvation

can't really take away the first steps and jump to the whole "Listen to God in your heart thing" The Holy Spirit is a gift God grants after salvation/confession is made.

what Gospel do you preach?

Romans 10:8-11
New King James Version (NKJV)
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”[a](that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”[b

John 3
5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

 

[AnandaHya]

So u believe He can but He doesnt, because this kind of thing was only for the first century apostles and prophets. Of which you have no proof.

2/ I have never personally heard Him speak audibly. Although I would love to! The closest to this was not long after I was born again. when I was 19 years old. I was working as a kitchen hand, in a major Casino, and i was cleaning some pots at the pot wash area. I heard in my spirit the word "manifest". It was probably more than what i would call the still small voice, it was loud on the inside of me, and seemed to come out from the inside of me. I had never experienced this before. Straight afetr hearing this I heard the word "manifested". I did not know what the word meant at the time, it was not a word that I had in my vocabulary, but I knew it was God, and came from my spirit. I then had an experience for the rest of my shift (I was on the graveyard shift 11pm-7am) where it became really obvious to me the motives of people. People that I had known for some time and who were aquintances who were quite friendly to me I saw were not my friends and were not what they were professing. I looked down at a magazine that one of them were reading and could see in the peoples eyes in this gossip magazine that some were quite evil. (I was discerning spirits). This experience also happened at my conversion - being able to see spirits in people. I didnt know what this all was in the beginning, as I had not reference to it, and only found out many years later what was happening.

At the end of my shift I has offered a lift home from my work collegue, who was also a christian, although he was back in the world and not following God. I said no, ill be fine (I usually walked home which was a 2 hr walk) but then felt that I was meant to go with Him. As we approached his car in the car park I felt to tell him what had happened to me, but i was a little hesitant because I didnt know what he would think of me. When i told him he went white, as the blood drained from his face, and he told me that he knew what manifest meant. And that it meant that demons can manifest, and that when they did they where able to be seen, instead of being hidden. I was in wonder at all of this, as well as everything I was experiencing in God, It was sooooo cool i thought.

As we drove toward my house it became obvious that my friend was quite disturbed and afraid - probably due to the way he was currectly living his life, and the reality of the spiritual realm crashing back to him. We pulled up in my driveway, and he told me that he wanted to rededicate his life to Christ and asked whether I would lead him in a prayer of rededication. I said I dont know what to pray - ive never done this before, but ill try.. (I was a very new christian of about 3 weeks.) We closed our eyes and I began to pray. I prayed things i never knew, and I led him in a pray that astonished both of us. Because of the flow of it, the content, and the spiritual dynamic present. He thanked me, and was overwhelmed and happy, and left.

I was extremely excited and rejoicing and walked quickly up my driveway and into my house. As i walked through my dining room toward the toilet, I felt God speak to me in such a powerful way that to this day it remains one of the most amazing experiences Ive had as a christian. Each word seem to explode from the centre of my being and it felt lie every cell in my body was vibrating and living because of that voice, each word boomed from my spirit with massive force. To this day I dont know what was said. Sorry zone - either your theology is wrong or maybe I didnt listen and remember like i should, or maybe it wasnt even about that. I was so affirmed that i knew without a doubt that I was His. As I approached the toilet and was about to do my business (excuse the vulgarity but its what happened) I felt what felt like a physical hand on my head and head this same voice calling me son.

End of story.

So yes it was tremendously memorable. And i'll never forget it. And I know it was God. As too the purpose, I think i covered that - affirmation, it sounded like heaven exploding from my being, and what have I done with the information? Ive persued a genuine, real relationship with Him as a son.

3/ Yes I have heard one of my leader say he has heard the audible voice of God numerous times. Everyone I know at church operates in the prophetic to some degree or another, and have all experienced the power of God in a tangible way. I dont really care what you believe, they are my family. Its about what I believe when it comes to them. Your opinion doesnt count thank God.

I agree that the 12 apostles laid the foundation. With Christ as the chief cornerstone They where personal witnesses of Christ chosen by Him to declare what they had seen. The foundation of the temple of God needs to have as part of it the witness of those that saw the things that happened. And the fact that there are 12, that alll bare the same witness in irrefutable. Solid foundation. The prophets of the old covenant foresaw, the first apostles beheld Him in the present. This is an unshakable foundation. This foundation is not relaid. ever.

Concerning you demand of miracles to support my message, I havent personally preached Christ to the lost for a long time like I used to, and that does bother me, but when I did as a young christian, God manifested Himself in many ways continuously in healings, salvations, visions, prophetic utterance, words of knowledge, deliverance from demons, and the list goes on. I experienced these things by the power of God before I even knew what they were, and over the years these experiences have been defined to me through the understanding of the word I now have. I do know that God has worked an amazing work in me, and I have developed into a person I never thought possible. From a yound broken, abused, hopeless insecure little boy, into a man that knows God, and is full of wisdom and great treasure, all of which I can only attribute to my glorious saviour Jesus Christ and His abilty to truly redeem and glorify Himself in His saints. And I give Him all the Glory.

All these years have been for preparation for what is to come. And i look forward to being released again to work the works of God in His power. So exciting.

May God be glorified. thank you for sharing your testimony.

It might help if you clarify your position on these vital questions:

1. Do you believe everything in the Bible is from God and useful for discerning between true and false prophetic utterances?

2. do you think God would ever say anything that would contradict the Bible?

3. do you believe that the "apostles" and "prophets" you see in the lime light and on the internet to be messengers of Jesus Christ? example: hinn, etc

4. who is the head of the church?

5. does God love His church?

6. what is your position on the word "doctrine"? as in the difference between the doctrines of men and doctrines of God?

anyway I hope you have a blessed day.

 

[Necto]

Ephesians 5
Wives and Husbands
22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands.

25 Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, 26that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, 27 so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish.a 28 In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church, 30because we are members of his body. 31&#8220;Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.&#8221; 32 This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church. 33 However, let each one of you love his wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.

~

do you know what this means necto?

25 Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, 26 that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, 27 so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish.a

You want to ask me whether these passages the word of God? Yes! This revelation given by the Holy Spirit to the Apostle Paul. This acknowledgments the Holy Spirit. The entire Bible is the written Word of God. But without the Spirit is the only commandment and more! People can not fulfill them! Scripture is not performed by people but by the power of the Spirit, that is, Christ.

 

[VW]

All these years have been for preparation for what is to come. And i look forward to being released again to work the works of God in His power. So exciting

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As do I. I know in my spirit that God is preparing us for His work, that is soon to be needed.

In Christ, with prayers for His blessings,
vic

 

[Red33]

Yeah, well, I stand behind what I wrote.

The reason that you ignore certain posters is because you do not want the light and conviction that comes from the word and the Holy Spirit in their posts that witnesses the truth with your spirit. You ignore it and put it aside as if it it worthless and of no value because it does not conform to your understanding or experience. You have made the Spirit of truth a spirit of rejection when it comes to the written word and the understanding that believers receive from it through the Holy Spirit and through faith.

You exercise faith in the Spirit and what you believe and claim the Spirit is telling you and esteem that above the written word that we have of God, that has been given to us inspired of the Holy Spirit. You do not recognize the Holy Spirit in the life of others that disagree with your understanding because you are adamant that yours came from the Spirit through your own experience. You have mentioned in the former threads that you believe the scriptures to be something created by God to help guide us but that it has no authority as the written word and is therefore of no use without the Spirit. In saying that you have contradicted the very nature of the written word and the person and work of the one who inspired it and the one that is testifies and reveals as the living God, who was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world and received up into glory (1Tim 3:16).

 

[zone]

What scripture was there when Abraham believed? Abraham lived several generations before Moses, and was Moses' great, great, great something or other grandfather. And Moses is credited with penning the first 5 books of scripture.

Abraham believed God when He told him that he would have a child by Sarah.

Hmmmmm?????

What faith are we teaching the children of God?

Faith that is not faith at all. Faith that does not lead to righteousness.

but you have your faith, and I hope that it serves you in the end.

you're not Abraham.

God doesn't need to visit you to foreshadow and progessively reveal the coming Messiah.
God doesn't need to wait until YOU are nearly a 100 years old to perform a SUPERNATURAL conception that foreshadows the conception and Incarnation of Emmanuel.

He already came.

Pentecost already happened.

the Foundation is already laid.

mission accomplished.

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"What faith are we teaching the children of God? "

i wonder why you are past knowing the answer to this.

"Faith that is not faith at all. Faith that does not lead to righteousness." ?????

do you know much of Abram's story? just how righteous was he?

do you know what imputed righteousness is and why this is recorded in Abraham's story?

what's the significance of Abraham's life? HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS? his FAITH? his faith in WHAT?

what exactly did he believe God ABOUT that God reckoned as righteousness?

did you know faith has AN OBJECT?

i bet you can't understand this chapter (if you could, you would NEVER misrepresent Christ and the scriptures as you do):

Galatians 3
By Faith, or by Works of the Law?
1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. 2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? 3Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? 4 Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? 5 Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— 6 just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?

7 Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” 9 So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

The Righteous Shall Live by Faith
10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” 11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” 12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— 14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

The Law and the Promise
15 To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. 16 Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. 17 This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. 18 For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.

19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. 20 Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.

21 Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. 22 But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. 24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.

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you don't believe the testimony of the scriptures: "For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ." because you do not know how we are baptised into Christ.

the object of YOUR 'FAITH" is YOUR ability to HEAR a voice.

the object of your faith is YOU.

your right standing before God is based upon your ABILITY to hear voices. the voices you listen to and dictate for CONTRADICT what is written, what God has revealed about His Character in Jesus Christ.

THIS is NOT the faith of Abraham.

this "faith" you talk about is no faith at all......it's a desperate attempt to obtain experiential relief, PROOF of being accepted in the Beloved.

what He did and said, His PROMISES are NOT ENOUGH. the witnesses in scripture are not enough. you need PROOF....for yourself.

miracles, signs, voices. and above all, you need to downgrade the scriptures because even though the spirit you are listening to has presented such a clever counterfeit you: YOUR PROFESSIONS DO NOT ALIGN WITH SCRIPTURE.

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and this is the devil's achilles heel: diligent faithfulness to the scriptures, the highest authority to which we appeal in matters pertaining to God's revealed Will and Person, and of claims made by men. (and the Holy Spirit leading and affirming all truth in this way, according to His Commission)

this "faith" is the result of fear, of doubting the Spirit's ongoing sanctification YEARS AGO - "we" still sinned as a Christian, were convicted by the Spirit of our duplicity...but rather than being humbled and repenting and remaining where God has stationed us....rather than TRUSTING GOD, we go off into EMERGENT LAND where experiential PROOF of the forgiveness of sins is required.

a quick fix, A WAY OUT of that PAIN and humiliation during chastisement and pruning: even if it has to be a supernatural encounter and attending signs and wonders....but the new place, the liberal emergent place must not be judgmental because we are now RUNNING FROM THE LAW and the True Holy Spirit as He convicts us and transforms us. we want INSTANT SANCTIFICATION.

WE DO not TRUST THE LORD ON THIS, NOR BELIEVE THAT HE WILL FINISH WHAT HE STARTED. we do not believe that The Godhead has performed everything required to save our souls, and that this is received by GRACE through faith. we do not know the difference between justification and sanctification.

experiential "faith" ALWAYS leads to the same place. there is ALWAYS some spirit waiting to provide affirmations for this kind of faith. but there's a catch; EVERY SINGLE TIME THERE IS CATCH....the road is littered with the wreckage (read testimonies of people who have come out of the Third Wave nightmare).

we will be told we are SPECIAL and now chosen for SPECIAL revelations from The Lord. its the IDENTICAL PLAYBOOK and it seems to work everytime for the immature. over time, we will continue to receive experiential stroking and proof that we have arrived....over time, we will be convinced that the scriptures are NOT the final authority for the regenerated Christian on earth, experiences are.

we come to believe anyone who goes to church like we did is a duplicious sinner like we were (and many are), but that this means they ARE NOT SAVED. we are projecting the deceitfulness of our own hearts onto others, and eventually we just say "God TOLD ME..."

we're being told that the resistence we encounter as we relate our mystical experiences is proof that we are prophets: isn't that how they were treated when they proclaimed "Thus Saith The Lord?" so, we seek out "others" like us.

and lo and behold if they aren't all PROPHETS ALSO. and they have something in common with us - they HATE THE TRADITIONAL CHURCH.

eventually comes the big test: WILL THIS PERSON DARE TO PROCLAIM WORDS CLAIMING THEY CAME FROM THE ALMIGHTY HIMSELF?

we are now persuaded to "go to" what we have been told is the dead, blind and filthy Church and make proclamations, utter prophecies, make claims about Christ, etc. that are being revealed to us.

these will ALWAYS be negative prophecies, though presented with great humility and soft words....the formulas and substance are stolen and reworked from the words and deeds of israel's ancient prophets and applied to Christ's Church.

eventually a completely impossible soteriology has been embedded, and now there is a DRIVING need, a COMPULSION, an URGENCY to make prophecies, cause divisions and strife CONTRARY TO WHAT WAS REVEALED IN THE SCRIPTURES. CONTRARY TO THE FAITH ALREADY DELIVERED ONCE FOR ALL.

and here we have nothing more than a disgruntled and immature believer who has willingly become a mouthpiece for lying spirits. there's always a price for the GLORIOUS EXPERIENCES of mysticism.

Romans 16:17
I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.

one tell-tale sign of this sort of deception is the MEMORY...carelessness and recklessness in handling the word, and daring to speak for God becomes so commonplace, the memory and discernment is DULLED and a trail of false teachings means nothing since the person is no longer using the Word as a LAMP for his feet. he does not see where he is going, nor where he came from.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

THIS "FAITH" requires a sign.

this "faith" is CARNAL, and requires sensations. this is a childish and deluded sustitution for mature faith and trust in God according TO HIS REVEALED WILL IN HIS WORD.

this "FAITH" does NOT trust what God has SPOKEN IN HIS ORDAINED COMMUNICATION WITH MAN in these last days, this "faith" does NOT believe His Word is authoritative and sufficient, does NOT believe that CANON is closed.

this "faith" RARELY remains focused on The Author and Finisher of real faith, rarely points to Christ Crucified for our sins, NEVER discusses the birth of the REAL CHURCH and the foundation laid once for all in the First Century by His CHOSEN FIRSTFRUITS.

this "faith" is NOT the faith of Abraham.

All one has to do is look at the biblical definition of faith, and they would see that faith which comes from signs is really not faith. Because it is something you see or experience through senses. God is not calling us to this type of faith.

Hebrews 11: 1:
1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

The greek word translated seen is blepomenon. Which is translated to see, But there are other interpretations used by the greeks for this word.

d. univ. to perceive by the senses, to feel:
e. to discover by use, to know by experience:
2. metaph. to see with the mind’s eye;

so we can see Faith does not come by our senses. what we feel. Or supernatural signs and wonders. True faith comes from things we can not see, or percieve, or feel. It comes only from our hope. Our hope is in Christ and what he promised (eternal life) Anything else is not faith at all!