Are miracles a necessary part of the the gospel?
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What I find interesting about Parham is the same man who claimed that signs and wonders had resumed in 1901 also wrote in 1902 that if you don't preach signs and wonders as part of the gospel you're in danger of damnation from God.
In the same book (A Voice Crying in the Wilderness, 1902) he makes some truly ridiculous claims. He says Job was a sinner and that's why God sent catastrophe on him. He was dragged down by his godless wife who told him to curse God and die. He says the cyclone hit the house where his children were eating and drinking wine because they were partying and dancing. Then he says—you can't make this stuff up—they would probably belong to a "fashionable" church that allows dancing and theater-going; and surely wouldn't blame their godless behavior for their trouble but would have a rational explanation: it was merely a cyclone.
I wonder what Parham would think of the churches he spawned which permit every form of carnality and sensuality in the churches. But the apple doesn't fall far from the tree: today they make up equally ridiculous stories by twisting the scripture; nothing much has changed there.
It seems to me more people would want to know the origins of the church they attend.
In the same book (A Voice Crying in the Wilderness, 1902) he makes some truly ridiculous claims. He says Job was a sinner and that's why God sent catastrophe on him. He was dragged down by his godless wife who told him to curse God and die. He says the cyclone hit the house where his children were eating and drinking wine because they were partying and dancing. Then he says—you can't make this stuff up—they would probably belong to a "fashionable" church that allows dancing and theater-going; and surely wouldn't blame their godless behavior for their trouble but would have a rational explanation: it was merely a cyclone.
I wonder what Parham would think of the churches he spawned which permit every form of carnality and sensuality in the churches. But the apple doesn't fall far from the tree: today they make up equally ridiculous stories by twisting the scripture; nothing much has changed there.
It seems to me more people would want to know the origins of the church they attend.
"Some people say to us, was Job a sinner, did he suffer for sin? We answer, Yes; whatsoever a man soweth that shall he also reap. The Word of God says, Be not unequally yoked together with unbelievers. Because of her beauty or some other reason, Job married a
foolish and ungodly woman, who told him to curse God and die. She had raised [for] him an ungodly family, who, when the cyclone struck the house were wining and dancing. Truly they may have belonged to a fashionable church where dancing and theatre-going were permitted; the harm was not in these innocent (?) amusements but in that miserable cyclone!"—A Voice Crying in the Wilderness, pg. 42 (underlining added)
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Job, the bible claims was a Righteous man. so Parham is Wrong on that account!
from the Tanakh:
1There was a man in the land of Uz whose name was Job, and that man was sincere and upright, God-fearing and shunning evil. אאִ֛ישׁ הָיָ֥ה בְאֶֽרֶץ־ע֖וּץ אִיּ֣וֹב שְׁמ֑וֹ וְהָיָ֣ה | הָאִ֣ישׁ הַה֗וּא תָּ֧ם וְיָשָׁ֛ר וִירֵ֥א אֱלֹהִ֖ים וְסָ֥ר מֵרָֽע:
Anyone that claims Job was a Sinner is off their rocker!
from the Tanakh:
1There was a man in the land of Uz whose name was Job, and that man was sincere and upright, God-fearing and shunning evil. אאִ֛ישׁ הָיָ֥ה בְאֶֽרֶץ־ע֖וּץ אִיּ֣וֹב שְׁמ֑וֹ וְהָיָ֣ה | הָאִ֣ישׁ הַה֗וּא תָּ֧ם וְיָשָׁ֛ר וִירֵ֥א אֱלֹהִ֖ים וְסָ֥ר מֵרָֽע:
Anyone that claims Job was a Sinner is off their rocker!
I was raised Pentecostal, but Independent, no Denomination Connection. I dated a girl around my age, when I was 20, whose father was and still is an AOG Pastor. Discussing the Bible with him was useless. He reminded me of what I read about Hitler. If your ideas did not match his according to his interpretation of the Word of God, he would scream at you and demean you. I will just say this much, he lost quite a bit in his life since then. Even softened up. But those AoG people in the 1990's were difficult to be around.
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Ridiculous, you use your personal experience to lambast all of the aog? Then like us to Hitler? I think you can disagree but to associate us with a Nazi when we have never even in your disagreement said you were not saved at least I have not. This is way out of line and opinionated and hateful.
You are incapable of making a point biblically you have to mock and scoff. I will report to you to admin.
You are incapable of making a point biblically you have to mock and scoff. I will report to you to admin.
First of All, I attended the AoG Conference held in Indianapolis every years I dated that woman. Secondly, I attended the AoG Bible University in Lakeland, Florida (still going strong and you can look it up). Thirdly, I could have been Ordained through the AoG. I did say, 1990's. And WHO ARE YOU to know the Character of that man?
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Southeastern University - Christian University in Central Florida
https://www.seu.edu
A Christian university in Central Florida, affiliated with the Assemblies of God. Our Lakeland campus offers undergraduate, graduate, and doctoral programs.
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Men's Conference - Indiana District Assemblies of God
https://www.indianaag.org › ministries › mens-conference
INDIANA DISTRICT ASSEMBLIES OF GOD. 8750 Purdue Road, Indianapolis, Indiana 46268. Phone 317-872-9812 . Fax 317-879-3619. CONTACT US HERE >>.
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I don't believe you. Anyone can go to a conference if you could have been ordained then, then you were a certified minister or licensed with AOG. You should know the 16 fundamental truths of AOG. All 16 are biblically supported.
in addition to a positional letter on the topics of tongues and Spiritual Gifts for Ministry.
YOu say every year that "I date that woman", sounds like you have disdain for her.
Both of you calm down and think in other places. Both of you have a point.
In my opinion, there is some truth in what you say.
First, a priest who describes an AOG minister From his point of view.
Second, another thinks that this man has judged all AOG.
Maybe the two of you began to get angry.
No matter which reason touches the bottom line of your anger, please first learn not to be angry, which is taught by the Bible.
we live in peace，and talk in peace .
Then both of you calm down and see if things are as serious as you think.
In my opinion, there is some truth in what you say.
First, a priest who describes an AOG minister From his point of view.
Second, another thinks that this man has judged all AOG.
Maybe the two of you began to get angry.
No matter which reason touches the bottom line of your anger, please first learn not to be angry, which is taught by the Bible.
we live in peace，and talk in peace .
Then both of you calm down and see if things are as serious as you think.
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thank you but I am not angry, but the truth is not being told. first off who is Prest? Second, he has used his experience to suggest AOG is teaching things unbiblical. There are people who spoke at an event for the AOG who said things that were wrong and many of them when corrected Left the AOG as did:
Jimmy Swaggart
Jim Baker
Bill Johnson
K Copeland came out of Church of God
as did K. Hagan
those above would not submit to the leadership for correction or biblical truth the AOG has required for all AOG ministers which I am one. They became rebels.
MANY today will not have credentials with the AOG because we have a very strict requirement.
1. you can't pastor and be divorced unless it was before salvation
2. any pornography at all you must step down for no less than two years. Jimmy Swaggart would not do that so he left.
3. we are an assembly of fellowships not a denomination.
4. we have 16 fundamental truths that we hold to and many positional letters on many topics.
With all of this just like judas, we have those who go rogue. The baptist has this issue too as we see the SBC have almost embraced CRT. and many other mainline churches.
The thread topic is
Are miracles a necessary part of the the gospel?
I have answered yes. and provided a biblical answer. I am not the one who attacked those who I disagree with I only responded to the untruthful assertion made by some.
There are many wonderful men and women who disagree and they are saved and welcome to their belief. They were not rude or scoffing or mocking others as some here have. You look at the ones and you will see.
When Jesus was in a place where He couldn't do miracles, it wasn't because He lacked the faith to do them. It was because the people weren't receptive to it. In a world where fewer and fewer people are receptive to it, it is only natural that the numbers of miracles will decline. Until the very end, that is, when the Spirit will pour out upon His faithful. At that time they will happen whether the people are receptive or not, because at that time the power of Faith will reside with the doer and not the receiver. That time is drawing nigh my friend.
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Maybe as a member of AOG, you think what he said hurt you, I understand, but we should learn to be patient.
You may think it is wrong for him to judge a person, but at the same time, you may also judge that he is wrong.
Let God do it. We don't have the ability to see through a person's heart.
One thing to understand is that it is not surprising that everyone has different ideas and views when reading the Bible.
It's difficult to achieve uniform standards unless one day God says what things should be.
You may think it is wrong for him to judge a person, but at the same time, you may also judge that he is wrong.
Let God do it. We don't have the ability to see through a person's heart.
One thing to understand is that it is not surprising that everyone has different ideas and views when reading the Bible.
It's difficult to achieve uniform standards unless one day God says what things should be.
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